Yellowing / lime green colour

Hi All,

new to this so need some help;

-2nd grow
-indoor growbox
-Afghanica from flying dutchmen
-400w MH aircooled
-hyrdo system
-water changed weekly(6.1ph)
-Dutch nutrient Formula during weekly water changes but add water as need thorought the week without nutrients.
-Temp 84F during light, 65f during night
-humidity 25-30% both at light and night
-currently in 4 week of veg (20 on, 4 off)

I am starting to get some Yellowing or lime green leaves? Middle of the leaves are darker but the edges are going lime green. I started with half the recomended nutrients(2.5ml per 1L) and in the last 2 week gone up to 5ml per 1L.

Should I back down on the nutrients?

any feed back will be appriciated.

J

Isn't 6.1ph a tad high for hydro? Looks more like a deficiency than over-fert to me... But I'm just a soil guy :) While waiting for the hydro guys to check in, you could fill in the trouble-shooting form at the top of the section and paste it hear, saves time asking some important detail(s) you may have left out... (water source, for example).

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...) 2nd Grow

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)400W MH
.2) Distance from tops? 2.5FT for best temp(84F)
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)air cooled enclosed reflector
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?Yes, from inside my house, blower drawing air out of the grow box forcing fresh air in.
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Yes, blower pulling air out, no circulation fan, still looking for a small oscillating fan.
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 400w, 4000k, 20hours on, 4 hours off

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)hydro, Dutch Nutriant Formula Grow A & B
.8) Size of container. 15L bucket
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? Germinated seed and used rockwell cube

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?tap water, 7.3ph before adjusting
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)PH Pen from Hanna
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)phosphoric acid
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. Dutch Nutriant Formula Grow A & B
Gro A
2-0-2

Nitrogen���..........�.2%
Soluable Potashâ?¦........2%
Calcium��...........��.2%

Gro B
0-1-3

Nitrogen����..���0%
Available Phosphate..â?¦1%
Soluble Potash����.3%
Magnesium�����.0.5%

added every weekly change, when water is added during the week I dont use any nuts just PH corrected tap water
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?adding water once during the week, about 2L
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)NONe
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?I noticed a drop in PH in the first 2 weeks but have been stable ever since
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? 6.1PH, Run off?
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?I spray with PH corrected tap water twice per week

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?indoor
20) What size of closet, room or hut?closet, 2ft x 2 ft x 6 ft
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?lights on 84f, 25 - 30% hum; lights off 65f, 25-30%hum
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?one or two fruit flys

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) Afghanica (indica Dominate)
24) From seeds or clones?seed
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no


hope this helps

i see a few problems. when you top off your water level, dont adjust ph and then put it in your bucket because high chances are that your ph in your dwc is off and also needs adjusting. you should top off water then adjust ph in your dwc accordingly. also 85 degrees seems a bit tad high temps, this can cause high res. water temps. another thing is STOP folier feeding with just ph water alone!! if you keep doing that your going to flush out nutes out of the leaves. also if you do folier feed only do it once in a while and not often. you would be just fine if you didnt folier feed altogether.

Cig, thank you for your reply; I never even thought about checking the PH of the bucket. Simply thought it would be the same as when I corrected it the first time. It was down to 4.6 - 4.7PH. I added some water to bring it back up to 6.1PH. time will tell.

thanks again,

J

I've had the same happen to me. For me it was a heat issue but a PH below 5.5 is bad regardless. I have to adjust PH every day in my tub for a few days after topping off till things level off then it's fine. I've had strains that won't take heat AT ALL. What your getting is a shock to the flux between your light temp and dark temp, a 20 degree swing is for sure going to make your plant look sick. 85 might be too high, try to get down to 75 - 80...add a cheap fan for the light.

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Originally Posted by Jonesy2010

Cig, thank you for your reply; I never even thought about checking the PH of the bucket. Simply thought it would be the same as when I corrected it the first time. It was down to 4.6 - 4.7PH. I added some water to bring it back up to 6.1PH. time will tell.

thanks again,

J

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As Bigtops said, 6.1 is still a tad high for hydro, shoot for 5.8 ish.

You also filled out the soil grow troubleshooting form, which does not include questions about the ppm of your res water. so what's your ppm? It looks like it might be a little low for this size plant, but that could also be because of lockout from the 4.6 ph that apparently went unnoticed for a while.

It looks very healthy though, just slightly under fertilized. good luck. :jointsmile:

A good ph threshhold for vegitating plants is around 5.8 - 6.2.... When flowering ph should be around 5.3. Don't add anymore nutes. It's a common mistake to add more nutes when your ph is off.

So ive added a small fan to the mix and the temp sits at 77f with lights on and 65f with lights off. This is much better.

I am still having trouble with the PH of my Hydro.

After finding out the PH was to low(4.5) due to topping up the bucket with PH corrected water during the week; I added tap water to bring the ph back to up to 6.0. this was a little higher than I wanted but with a full water change a day away i let it go. On Saturday I changed out the water, I have 2 buckets so I mixed up water, Nutriants, and corrected to 5.8PH. I let it sit for a few hours to get to room temperature and switched the buckets(PH stil 5.8). Today I go an check the PH and its up at 6.8 ?!??

how did it get so high in one day? am I missing something?

Please help,

J

Also, I dont have an EC tester to find out the PPM of my rez. It will be my next investment.

Awsome bro About your ph! If your ph water drops then worry cause that means you have some root rot issues.

its okay that it jumped to 6.8?

and your saying if my PH drops im in trouble?

thanks for the quick reply.

Ya it's ok. Just check the ph and adjust. I check mine bi-weekly and adjust it with ph down. Ph rising is good in hydro and will eventually stabilize

thank you! Much Appricaited.

J

So the problem still remains and more tips are starting to looked burnt. I started a flush today as I think its NuteBurn. Replaced the water(5.7PH) and didnt add any nuts this time. I hope this stops the problem.

If it is not nute burn and a definincy of some kind what signs should I look for?

thanks,
J

what strength is your nutes? you should really pick up a tds meter. you can buy one off ebay for $20usd. your plant maybe absorbing a lot of nutes after coming out of lockout due to acidic rezwater. with my nutes i use ro water and i can follow the feed chart from the nutes and not be too far off but if i used my tap water, most of the ppms would be in plain water alone making the rez strong. tds meter would help troubleshoot a lot but right now its somewhat a shot in the dark