I made some by soaking a tea bag of guano in water no im wondering if it might be too strong its about the color of ice tea. Can anyone tell me how strong to make my guano tea and if I can add nutes to it?
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I made some by soaking a tea bag of guano in water no im wondering if it might be too strong its about the color of ice tea. Can anyone tell me how strong to make my guano tea and if I can add nutes to it?
I wouldnt roll with that if you want to get tea for your plants your going to have to get a brewer kit from Cutting Edge Solutions. Its called Hum Tea... I use it, stuff works great super organic and easy on the plants. My local supplier brews his from the Cutting Edge starter. If you dont know what your doing with it dont do it. Bat guano isnt used in most teas its usually worm castings, molasses and other goodies.
Sure about that...? I can think of one just off the top of my head...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
FoxFarm Big Bloom Tea
I know the foxfarm stuff uses the batguano, and I know Ill get some flak from everybody on this site but Im really not all that into fox farm anymore! My local guy started to supply the Cutting Edge Solutions and Im hooked. My plants are dialed and look much better than the Fox Farm Big Grow ever did for me. Its organic and Cali made! Everyone has their preference, Cutting Edge is mine.
Cool. However...I'm not sure any of us give a crap what you're into, unless you show some results. Lots of members make claims, but those that show proof are generally more trusted. Fox Farms is a cheap, easy to use product that has fantastic results. I'm real glad you're satisfied making a tea. But before jumping-in over your head with this discussion, perhaps you could read and understand the article in this link: Compost tea: Examining the science behind the claims Get back to me when you're done. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
Glad to hear it. You're comparing apples to oranges, but please, by all means...describe how your plants are "better", and if possible, post some pix. I'm definatelly interested in your imput. Note...Big Bloom is a catalyst formulated to compliment the other two products in the FF line, with a proven track record. Your's is nothing but a claim of usefulness.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
Wow nevermind Ill keep my own shit to myself, now I remember why I stay away from this forum! Im trying to bring a different aspect in not to get bashed by someone. Not everyone uses the same stuff and especially not everyone uses FoxFarm on this forum thats a fact Ill just keep my opinions and tips to myself instead of trying to share my knowledge
And furthermore Im not some dumb uneducated newbie to this stuff, yes I am new to this forum but not to cultivating. I dont know if you even bothered to go to the Cutting Edge Solutions website to check out what Im bringing to the table. My claims are on the thread "MY FIRST BIG GROW, PEEP" That I just posted last night. I havent used their humtea more than 3 times on this crop but I can tell week to week when I ween then from my regular nutes to the humtea there is more of a gain in height and bushiness. Obviously your a FoxFarm freak and thats what you like, good for you. Im talking about different stuff because everyone wets their willy on FoxFarm. I like the Cutting Edge humtea because it has a fair ammount of molasses in it. I love using molasses as a nute because it has a TON of trace elements, along with glucose and sucrose which is a catalyst for photosynthesis(Molasses, Unsulphured - Ingredients Descriptions and Photos: An All Creatures American International Vegetarian Vegan Recipe - cruelty free, gourmet, recipes, lifestyle, food, appetizer, appetizers, beverage, beverages, bread, breads, roll, rolls, ca). You cant argue that with me look at the table and tell me none of that is useful in growing! Just bringing a different light to the table and yes I read that COMPOST TEA article theres a big difference between the two. Hell I even have used straight up FISH TANK WATER after PH balancing with excellent results because of the microbes in the water and fish crap(nitrogen) help stimulate plant growth
Heres my proof. The taller, lankier plant is a Black Domina seed that we STRICTLY used Fox Farm product on, Big Grow for veg and Big Bloom for flower in a small confined closet grow with a 250W hydrofarm HPS system. The bigger, bushier plant which is a Mazar Sharif clone we started with using PH balanced fish tank water with addition of molasses, then switched to the Cutting Edge Solutions in a open grow room under a 600watt HPS system that was a 2 feet above the plant. My Mazar Sharif is over two feet tall and two feed wide. The Black Domina finished at 2.5 feet tall and only 1 foot wide Proof is in the pictures man, dont bash me.
You are the one that came in here saying your tea is the bomb, and your plants are better, blah, blah, blah.
I'm saying I can grow the same with Fox Farms, without getting my panties all in a wad over a 'miracle tea', or an overpriced "advanced" system. Ya see...some of us can grow pharmaceutical cannabis without spending (wasting) our money on the promise of bigger, badder buds. Tiz a real tough system called "Keeping it Simple". It works, and it works well.
So what did ya think of the article, or did you even bother to read some useful and accurate information authored by a well-credentialed horticulturist...?
Sorry, mine aren't as stretched as yours, but here's a couple of my insignificant Fox Farms buds in 5 and 7 gallon pots: The picture on the left is 6.5 weeks in flower with 2 weeks left, the other (a couple of re-vegged ladies) is 2 weeks in. The last is a trichome shot.
So tell us again how your's is the bomb, and FF isn't...
Im not saying its the bomb and my plants are better than everyones, like I said the shit works. Its not my own brewed tea its a pre-mix from Cutting Edge(you still prolly havent looked at their site yet) I dont believe this shit is a miracle in anyways its an ALTERNATIVE to other programs companies offer. Im in no way at all wasting my money Im on a budget over here the tea is a cheap alternative. In no way am I trying to re-invent the wheel either Im using a simple coco/pearlite mix which is very cheap and only using one 1000watt HPS light. The article was talking more about the compost tea than a Hum Tea, even though they are similar they are different. Im not trying to use the tea as a disease prevention or as my main nutes, just as a supplement. You think that I waste money? I used FREE FISH TANK WATER for my initial veg and I prefer that over hum tea. My plants arent stretched, the lanky black domina was a project of my friends and I at his house, I had no control over it stretching. So your going to sit there and tell me my two foot Mazar is stretchy? Okay guy Im done here obviously your not open to discussion just dissing. Your buds look good of FF nutes, Im not going to sit here and argue with you Ill shoot you a picture of my Mazar after 6.5 weeks of flower on Cutting Edge just for $hits and giggles.
YES!!!!!!... I always love a good pissing match. Its like watching a monkey fuck a football.....never gets old. Or does it?
That was the original intent of marketing teas, was for their pathogen/disease treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
Although there are other simple 2 and 3 part nutes on the market that work fine if used properly, Fox Farms is what I use so It's what I talk about. It also has a comprehensive and easy to follow schedule without filling your head with the need for 32 different molasses formula's.
Why is it you have to suppliment to begin with? What is missing in your nutrient regimin that you have to suppliment?
Your fish tank water was doing so well you decided to switch to tea? Bad example, but good choice I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
Was yanking your chain. Most would have pointed out the difference in strains as the reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbigair600
I'm seeing you may have missed the point of the implications of the article. They can't market teas as a pesticide, (I believe was it's first claim) as there is no evidence it works as such...but as a possible suppliment or foliar...Now that's marketable. ;)
From the article:
If compost tea doesn??t do anything,
then how can it hurt to apply it?
??While the scientific evidence is
certainly lacking for aerated compost
tea activity in disease control, there is a
serious, documented concern with these
types of compost teas,? says Dr. William
R. Schneider, a research scientist in the
Biopesticides & Pollution Prevention
Division (Office of Pesticide Programs) of
the Environmenatal Protection Agency.
He continues,
He continues, ??It is very difficult
to do a microbial pesticide risk
assessment on a mixture of unidentified
microorganisms that could easily
contain human and nontarget organism
pathogens.?
Indeed, this risk is significant in
aerated teas that have been ??enhanced?
with molasses, kelp, and other highnutrient
additives. Such aerated teas havebeen documented through scientific
research to contain E. coli and Salmonella
populations, both of which are human
pathogens. The recent deaths due to
E. coli-contaminated spinach illustrates
how dangerous compost tea applications
can be, particularly on food crops."
Homemade tea anyone...? C'mon...anyone...? I would prefer to keep from adding pathogens, especially potentially fatal ones, in or around my smokables, the soil they grow in, or the nutrients they may even thrive on. Why should I take that chance?
If you're into reading more along these lines, give this one a go...
Foliar Feeding Myths
Thats what I read on the compost tea article is the intent for marketing. Im using it based on results Ive gotten from my local hydro store owner who I trust well. The main Cutting Edge 3 part system works fine tho if not better than the tea. It really was an experiment to put the Hum Tea up to the test of a urban legend I was hearing at my local dispensary and what Ive heard from other people. The 3 part system I use from them is very simple their chart from seedlings to flower hasnt let me down yet, if you wander away from their recomended dosage it doesnt work properly. Fish tank water was working but I could tell that it didnt have enough trace elements such as magnesium, maganese, zinc etc my plants were looking diffecient from magnesium they wernt taking nutes in properly. Like you said Ive also heard great things from foliar feeding but personally I dont like using that method I find it uneccesary when your nutes are dialed in properly. I cant afford buying a gallon of tea a week so it was just a experiment I did. I have five strains going in rows of four, each week I tried using just tea in one row, regular nutes in another, molasses and PH water in another and the last row my nutes with a tad bit extra mag + calcium. Results very but in the end Im not seeing much of a difference, they all work to some extent but really its just preference. If I could afford a fish tank at my new place then I would use it again. What strain is that you have going Rusty? Very curious they are a nice lush green lookin good with no deficiences which foxfarm can always provide. Cutting edge is cheap just like foxfarm I payed $60 for two gallons and got the third part for free. So 3 gallons of nutes for $60 is a steal IMO. Are you using their three part additives or just Big Bloom/Tiger Bloom? What is your feeding cycle like? If all goes well in the next two weeks Im going to begin flowering, my node spacing on the main stalks is less than one inch! They are looking healthy right now all are over 15" but I want to let them veg a little longer to fill out better
It's a strain I call PokerFace, but it's a pre-release version of Reeferman's Cherry Bomb he gifted to a few of us. He never told us the eventual name, but the characteristics are close enough, and his release of the strain immediatelly after...I'm sure it's his Cherry Bomb. (but now...Poker Cherry?)
Glad to hear your success with the tea's. I prefer a little more control, and less cost/complication/chance for error. Plus, since I found out about the pathogen thing and strong potential to over or under use, my mind was set. Not worth the further attempts. Believe it or not, I do still like to try new things if benefits seem warranted or biologically feasable. Not just because homey at the growstore told me it's benefits. Regardless, I stopped using the tea's before I came across the article.
I found it a bitch to troubleshoot when so much had gone into the mix. The more I tried to normalize my grow by eliminating one at a time, the more I realized the additives, ammendments and teas were, at the very least, responsible for the problems. Been near a year now since I even tried.
I've stuck with the FF trio, with a molasses kicker starting half way through flower. I use the Big bloom at half-strength, with a 1 tsp:gallon molasses once a week. No SuperThrive, no CalMag or CalMag Plus, no teas, no foliar feeding. Once a month flushes, on the first of every month for everything in late-growth and flower stages. Releases salts and built-up crap. I've seen the beginning stages of salt build-up, but that was years ago when first starting to use the trio.
I know compost teas can be a benefit, and they have their place. But they are not a panacea, can easily be defecient in micro's, and some brews can be anything but uniform. Knwo what you are adding and why. Contrary to popular marketing, there's no such thing as making a superplant from a bottle of snake oil. In my growroom, superplants come from experience.
For sure man see I agree with you on that. Ive never seen pokerface before interesting looking strain. I know that the main problem using a tea is also the PH of the tea. When its not being churned inside the brewer the PH tends to be a little high then after a couple hours it drops to 6.5 from 7.3
So I know that it isnt for the novice grower and Im pretty much done trying it anyways like I said the dollars add up quick already. Yea the big bloom is pretty good tho we used that last season outdoor and results were good all the way from start of flowering and to the end. Tea brewing the right way can be expensive and like you said inconsistent if you dont know what your doing.