Taking Away the Voice of the American People

Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR

This is treason to the American people!

Republicans have undermine the American people for so long, and I feel this is enough. They stole Americans votes for Bush's second term, they allowed biased people get into office, and they have lied to people, again and again.

This is time for ACTION, leave the possibily that God is going to do something for us, we have to do something about this devils ourselfs.

I have seen that the so called New world Order is notgoing to come from the president or his advicers, but the special interest influence companies have in our government especialy republicans.

AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Massachusets elect a senator that is underqualified, just because his famous?
Why do people support people that have lied to our faces and deceived us?
Why do people think that a person that is famous, rich, or white has the ability to make better decisions for the American people than ordinary American people.

We are Americans, we are all equal, we have all have a equal say, and whoever tries to take away those rights should be punished and undermined with treason.

I don't disagree with the judgement. You should have the right to piss as much money away on a candidate as you want. All I want is to have the candidates donaters list easily available so I can see who owns which candidate. And these big corporations certainly own them when they donate big bucks.

ok.... but this means that any big enough company can walk in and influence the decision of unaware people. Do you have a billion dollars just in case to back up another party if this happens to occur? I doubt it. Most Corporations are there for profit, and they would do ANYTHING to keep that profit moving in.

Not all corporations agree. Calling it what it is, bribery. :thumbsup:

41 industry leaders call on Congress to halt corporate ‘bribery’ | Raw Story

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR

This is treason to the American people!

Republicans have undermine the American people for so long, and I feel this is enough. They stole Americans votes for Bush's second term, they allowed biased people get into office, and they have lied to people, again and again.

This is time for ACTION, leave the possibily that God is going to do something for us, we have to do something about this devils ourselfs.

I have seen that the so called New world Order is notgoing to come from the president or his advicers, but the special interest influence companies have in our government especialy republicans.

AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Massachusets elect a senator that is underqualified, just because his famous?
Why do people support people that have lied to our faces and deceived us?
Why do people think that a person that is famous, rich, or white has the ability to make better decisions for the American people than ordinary American people.

We are Americans, we are all equal, we have all have a equal say, and whoever tries to take away those rights should be punished and undermined with treason.

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i think you need to take your own advice there and do some waking up yourself??

Why did Massachusets elect a senator that is underqualified, just because his famous? the simple minded would think this huh? the fact is all the people that voted for obammy and friends are waking up to the fact that he is 1 of the biggest liars in office even bigger than bush.

couple that with the dems in office that thought they had a monoploy on the house and could pass bs healthcare bills and so on.it's called a rude awakening. i think people voted that way based on the bs bills that are coming up and stink of gov control.


Why do people support people that have lied to our faces and deceived us?you mean like your suppost for obama the one that has lied over and over again from the first day in office??you mean people like yourself?

Why do people think that a person that is famous, rich, or white has the ability to make better decisions for the American people than ordinary American people. here again same brainwashed bs you were taught in school and t.v. when will people like you wake up? you think rep/dems are diffrent? roflmao wow you have alot to learn.these reps that you hate so much are best friends with all the dems that you think hate them so.the big joke is on you both sides love guys like you very easy to control....

And control is what its all about. Whoever has the money controls. But we as citizens can still raise a lot of hell and thats what a democracy and free society is all about. Kick some ass once in a while, don't vote the aprty line, think for yourself.

Democrats this, Republicans that, if only Libertarians... blah, blah, blah! How do we expect our representatives to move beyond party politics and special interest if we're so caught up in that business ourselves.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Supreme Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits On Corporations : NPR

This is treason to the American people!

Republicans have undermine the American people for so long, and I feel this is enough. They stole Americans votes for Bush's second term, they allowed biased people get into office, and they have lied to people, again and again.

This is time for ACTION, leave the possibily that God is going to do something for us, we have to do something about this devils ourselfs.

I have seen that the so called New world Order is notgoing to come from the president or his advicers, but the special interest influence companies have in our government especialy republicans.

AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did Massachusets elect a senator that is underqualified, just because his famous?
Why do people support people that have lied to our faces and deceived us?
Why do people think that a person that is famous, rich, or white has the ability to make better decisions for the American people than ordinary American people.

We are Americans, we are all equal, we have all have a equal say, and whoever tries to take away those rights should be punished and undermined with treason.

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Your implication is that no one who is rich, famous, or white can be an "ordinary american," whatever that is. Do you actually believe that? If you're talking about the guy who won Kennedy's old senate seat, the people of Mass. elected him for two reasons I believe: his opponent was an idiot (her campaign actually mis-spelled "Massachusetts" in her campaign materials, among other things), and his new constituents rightly saw him as the last chance for the people of this country to tell Congress to stop trying to ramrod this health-care reform bill through over the objections of most (check the polls) of your countrymen.

What troubles me the most is your bandying about of the term "treason." You should refrain from using terms you do not understand, and you clearly do not understand that one. A corporation is nothing more than an agglomeration of individuals seeking a common goal, in most cases profits. The vast majority of corporations are owned by individuals through stock ownership, so why should they not be able to speak as one voice, through money if necessary. You make accusations of treason, but obviously think that the first amendment is only applicable if you like the content of the speech. You should try to educate your self before you go making broad pronouncements of treason and election-rigging. Oh, and I don't know your definition of famous, but I had never heard of Senator Brown (or whatever his name is, I rest my case) prior to about a week before the election.

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

i think you need to take your own advice there and do some waking up yourself??

Why did Massachusets elect a senator that is underqualified, just because his famous? the simple minded would think this huh? the fact is all the people that voted for obammy and friends are waking up to the fact that he is 1 of the biggest liars in office even bigger than bush.

couple that with the dems in office that thought they had a monoploy on the house and could pass bs healthcare bills and so on.it's called a rude awakening. i think people voted that way based on the bs bills that are coming up and stink of gov control.


Why do people support people that have lied to our faces and deceived us?you mean like your suppost for obama the one that has lied over and over again from the first day in office??you mean people like yourself?

Why do people think that a person that is famous, rich, or white has the ability to make better decisions for the American people than ordinary American people. here again same brainwashed bs you were taught in school and t.v. when will people like you wake up? you think rep/dems are diffrent? roflmao wow you have alot to learn.these reps that you hate so much are best friends with all the dems that you think hate them so.the big joke is on you both sides love guys like you very easy to control....

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First of all, they lied about what we went to war for...

Second, they lied about wanting a smaller government while they have vastly spended on homeland security...

Thirdly, lied about not having biases when they have influences in the media like FOX news...

Fourthly, they have lied that the stimulus was a failure...

Also, lied about taxes going up (while taxes have gone down for people making under $250,000)...

Next, lied aloooot about what the health care bill has...

Finally, lied about wanting everyone to have the same opportunities while they want illegal immigrants punished, but not the illegal employers who hire them...

Althought, Brown has connections with the mob, I could say he won because the democratic candidate sucked.

And I would apreciated if you made a list about what the Obama administration, or the democratic party have lied about, so you can enlighten me on my assumption.

I know a couple democrats are nothing but bs. But their objectives are almost always towards finding better ways to live, other than what republicans seek, "conservatism."

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Originally Posted by senorx12562

Your implication is that no one who is rich, famous, or white can be an "ordinary american," whatever that is. Do you actually believe that? If you're talking about the guy who won Kennedy's old senate seat, the people of Mass. elected him for two reasons I believe: his opponent was an idiot (her campaign actually mis-spelled "Massachusetts" in her campaign materials, among other things), and his new constituents rightly saw him as the last chance for the people of this country to tell Congress to stop trying to ramrod this health-care reform bill through over the objections of most (check the polls) of your countrymen.

What troubles me the most is your bandying about of the term "treason." You should refrain from using terms you do not understand, and you clearly do not understand that one. A corporation is nothing more than an agglomeration of individuals seeking a common goal, in most cases profits. The vast majority of corporations are owned by individuals through stock ownership, so why should they not be able to speak as one voice, through money if necessary. You make accusations of treason, but obviously think that the first amendment is only applicable if you like the content of the speech. You should try to educate your self before you go making broad pronouncements of treason and election-rigging. Oh, and I don't know your definition of famous, but I had never heard of Senator Brown (or whatever his name is, I rest my case) prior to about a week before the election.

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What I was implying by my question is that why is it always the rich white narrow minded dude that never worked for nothing in his life, the person that gets the opportunity to run? Why arenâ??t low or middle class people that are open minded about life by the American struggle given a chance to run?

Treason: the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

A corporation is surely owned by people, but can you really trust people that care nothing more than to make profit?

Do you know the extent that they can go, they could just advertise their candidate 24/7 and bad mouth others. Did you ever see those commercials that criticized Obama that made him look like an evil person?

I consider this treason because they turned their back on us by taking away the chance people have over influencing a candidate, no longer can just a organized group have as much of an impact on a candidate than other much larger corporation that are money hungry.

Looking through history, itâ??s not hard to find the frightening extent corporations have gone, why welcome them to more ways to corrupt...

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

What I was implying by my question is that why is it always the rich white narrow minded dude that never worked for nothing in his life, the person that gets the opportunity to run? Why arenâ??t low or middle class people that are open minded about life by the American struggle given a chance to run?

Treason: the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

A corporation is surely owned by people, but can you really trust people that care nothing more than to make profit?

Do you know the extent that they can go, they could just advertise their candidate 24/7 and bad mouth others. Did you ever see those commercials that criticized Obama that made him look like an evil person?

I consider this treason because they turned their back on us by taking away the chance people have over influencing a candidate, no longer can just a organized group have as much of an impact on a candidate than other much larger corporation that are money hungry.

Looking through history, itâ??s not hard to find the frightening extent corporations have gone, why welcome them to more ways to corrupt...

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Okay.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

First of all, they lied about what we went to war for...

Second, they lied about wanting a smaller government while they have vastly spended on homeland security...

Thirdly, lied about not having biases when they have influences in the media like FOX news...

Fourthly, they have lied that the stimulus was a failure...

Also, lied about taxes going up (while taxes have gone down for people making under $250,000)...

Next, lied aloooot about what the health care bill has...

Finally, lied about wanting everyone to have the same opportunities while they want illegal immigrants punished, but not the illegal employers who hire them...

Althought, Brown has connections with the mob, I could say he won because the democratic candidate sucked.

And I would apreciated if you made a list about what the Obama administration, or the democratic party have lied about, so you can enlighten me on my assumption.

I know a couple democrats are nothing but bs. But their objectives are almost always towards finding better ways to live, other than what republicans seek, "conservatism."

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i can tell you believe anything you hear from what you think is "your side"? you talk about fox what about the rest that are only for the dems?? i guess thats ok tho right?


it's odd that obama was against bush's stimulas, but then when he makes office he spends more in 4 months than all prez combined. can we say 2 faced?

oh and your lil comment about homeland security well just to let you know obama has expanded it even more. so to hate bush would be to hate obama too right? infact obama is rewriting bush's playbook to make what bush did look like childs play.


damn where to start really.first off obama swore up and down on his moms grave pretty much.preached it and preached it that first of hid main duties would be to bring troops home and stop the war. not maybe not if but without a doubt stop the war.not my words his words.

He said earlier in his campaign that he "has always been for a single payer system". You can find another clip of him in front of a different group of supporters after he was elected swearing that "I have never supported a single payer system".

you talk about taxes have been lower for people that make under 250k? show me where this has happened?????????????? infact he went to copenheagen and 1 of the main goals was to setup a world wide carbon tax on everyone.there again another lie.he was the main guy behind it the only reason it did'nt pass "yet cause it will"was because other countries backed out.so again another example of saying 1 thing and doing another.

He also swore a transparent government and a website for all to view the bills 5+ days b4 anything gets voted on.then every time a bill comes up half of it is missing until an hour or 2 b4 the vote.they have flip flopped these bills so much that the end draft is nothing like the first.then gets voted on b4 anyone really knows whats in it.

On the January 22nd edition of â??Meet the Press,â?� Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:Russert: â??When we talked back in November of â??04 after your election, I said, â??Thereâ??s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?â??â?�Obama: â??I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.â?�Russert: â??So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?â?�Obama: â??I will not.â?�

another example, consider Obamaâ??s stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the â??Bloody Sundayâ?� voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. â??There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,â?� he said, â??because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So donâ??t tell me I donâ??t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Donâ??t tell me Iâ??m not coming home to Selma, Alabamaâ?�Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: â??I meant the whole civil rights movement

On May 10th 09, Obama botched his facts in a speech criticizing the U.S. auto industry for â??investing in bigger and faster cars while foreign competitors invested in more fuel-efficient technology.â?�Obama stated that â??while our fuel standards havenâ??t moved from 27.5 miles per gallon in two decades, both China and Japan have surpassed us, with Japanese cars now getting an average of 45 miles to the gallon.â?� But Toyota, which should know, has responded, â??No carmaker gets 45 mpg; ours is closer to 30 mpg.â?�Well, weâ??re glad to see Obamaâ??s shifting the blame from the consumer to the automakers. That must explain why the Illinois Senator and Presidential candidate owns a HEMI-powered V8 Chrysler 300C.Obviously itâ??s Chryslerâ??s fault Obama bought a big 5.7-liter engine from them â?? he just didnâ??t have a choice.

Last fall during a nationally televised presidential debate, Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare that he opposed decriminalizing marijuana. (first video).But as a candidate for the U.S. Senate four years ago, Mr. Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use or possession, according to a videotape of a little noticed debate that was obtained by The Washington Times.â?�I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws,â?� Mr. Obama told an audience during a debate at Northwestern University in 2004. â??But Iâ??m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.â?� (second video).Asked about the two different answers, Mr. Obamaâ??s presidential campaign said he in fact has â??alwaysâ?� supported decriminalizing marijuana as he answered in 2004, meaning the candidate mistakenly raised his hand during the presidential debate last fall.


On December 22nd, in a small-town café in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.
As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.
â??Iâ??ve always been a Christian,â?� the Illinois Democrat responded. â??I have never practiced [Islam].â?�Note: The newspaper editors had to add the word, â??Islam.â?�In his autobiography, â??Dreams From My Father,â?� Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied â??mengajiâ?� (recitation of the Quran).â?� Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, â??Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.â?� Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, â??He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a â??sarong.â??â?� (See Obamaâ??s Education.)Yet, on his official campaign website, Obama has posted this statement, â??Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity.â?�Obamaâ??s grandfather was a Muslim. Obamaâ??s father was a Muslim. Obamaâ??s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasnâ??t a Muslim?
If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim, and why did he study the Quran?And note his Clintonesque defense, â??I have never practiced.â?�

This is Obamaâ??s biggest problem â?? his dissimulation.

Saying, â??Iâ??ve always been a Christian,â?� is a bold-faced lie.

i'll add this everytime he speaks he's always giving glory to islam. islam this and that.he is always quoting from the quran yet he's christian yea ok....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JByHFOLJBjY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yK...eature=related


hwta happened to no pork barrel this or that? i could go on and on.i can dig up alot more but it's getting late.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

First of all, they lied about what we went to war for...

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First...Still beating that dead horse? Perhaps you should read a little deeper than the comic pages to form your opinion. Admittedly, that takes longer to explain than can fit in the sunday funnies, and Air America went bankrupt trying to sell this snake-oil, so isn't easily digested by liberals.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Second, they lied about wanting a smaller government while they have vastly spended on homeland security...

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Second...Ever listen to the oath of office the president of the United States? Ever read the United States Constitution...? (obviously not) How do you feel about Woodrow Wilson and FDR's goals to subjugate the states' rights to govern themselves? Your president Osama has bastardized our constitution and his traitorous dealings with unions and private "green" industries will be his downfall.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Thirdly, lied about not having biases when they have influences in the media like FOX news...

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Thirdly...Perhaps you'd like to list all the biases presented on Fox News. I watch other cable and national news programs and can't keep from laughing at the blatant progressive bias and lies.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Fourthly, they have lied that the stimulus was a failure...

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Fourthly...where are you getting your facts and figures? Perhaps Cap-n-Trade will fix our ill's though.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Also, lied about taxes going up (while taxes have gone down for people making under $250,000)...

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Also (what happened...can't count past 4?) You'll be seeing the tax codes reflect the new taxes. Matter of fact...you'll see the new taxes for a few years before seeing any of the services. This taxation without representation is a socialist agenda Osama insists on forcing upon a public that has had enough of his administrations lies, deciept, and subterfuge.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Next, lied aloooot about what the health care bill has...

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Do you know what's in it? Explain exactly the lies you feel that have been expressed in regards to the socialist deathcare options Obama is pushing.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Finally, lied about wanting everyone to have the same opportunities while they want illegal immigrants punished, but not the illegal employers who hire them...

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Finally...? Hardly, looks like your ignorance just keeps going, and going....
I've never seen an illegal's house being raided because of immigration status. Seen shitloads of healthy, gainfully employed and generally law-abiding illegal aliens workplaces being raided by ICE, yet the jails remain full of the illegal felons. So what is your proof backing your moronic statements?

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

Althought, Brown has connections with the mob, I could say he won because the democratic candidate sucked.

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He won because all of the democrat candidates have fallen into lockstep with a progressive agenda designed to take from American workers and give to union bosses trying to cover the tracks leading to their graft, corruption and failure, while supporting efforts in foreign countries, using our tax dollars and ACORN and union dues to lower OUR standard of living. Without a government bailout (Obamacare) the unions are screwed and the current administration knows it.

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

And I would apreciated if you made a list about what the Obama administration, or the democratic party have lied about, so you can enlighten me on my assumption.

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Ill bet. But you would disregard them wholesale, and you're assumptions are your folly. Plus, your assumptions are too numerous to list. (although most of us can count past 10 or so)

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Originally Posted by lve2smk

I know a couple democrats are nothing but bs. But their objectives are almost always towards finding better ways to live, other than what republicans seek, "conservatism."

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Conservatism will set you free. Progressivism and socialism aim to control your life.

So sad seeing the results of our failed educationa system. :(

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Originally Posted by palerider7777

i can tell you believe anything you hear from what you think is "your side"? you talk about fox what about the rest that are only for the dems?? i guess thats ok tho right?


it's odd that obama was against bush's stimulas, but then when he makes office he spends more in 4 months than all prez combined. can we say 2 faced?

oh and your lil comment about homeland security well just to let you know obama has expanded it even more. so to hate bush would be to hate obama too right? infact obama is rewriting bush's playbook to make what bush did look like childs play.


damn where to start really.first off obama swore up and down on his moms grave pretty much.preached it and preached it that first of hid main duties would be to bring troops home and stop the war. not maybe not if but without a doubt stop the war.not my words his words.

He said earlier in his campaign that he "has always been for a single payer system". You can find another clip of him in front of a different group of supporters after he was elected swearing that "I have never supported a single payer system".

you talk about taxes have been lower for people that make under 250k? show me where this has happened?????????????? infact he went to copenheagen and 1 of the main goals was to setup a world wide carbon tax on everyone.there again another lie.he was the main guy behind it the only reason it did'nt pass "yet cause it will"was because other countries backed out.so again another example of saying 1 thing and doing another.

He also swore a transparent government and a website for all to view the bills 5+ days b4 anything gets voted on.then every time a bill comes up half of it is missing until an hour or 2 b4 the vote.they have flip flopped these bills so much that the end draft is nothing like the first.then gets voted on b4 anyone really knows whats in it.

On the January 22nd edition of â??Meet the Press,â?� Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:Russert: â??When we talked back in November of â??04 after your election, I said, â??Thereâ??s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?â??â?�Obama: â??I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.â?�Russert: â??So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?â?�Obama: â??I will not.â?�

another example, consider Obamaâ??s stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the â??Bloody Sundayâ?� voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. â??There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,â?� he said, â??because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So donâ??t tell me I donâ??t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Donâ??t tell me Iâ??m not coming home to Selma, Alabamaâ?�Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: â??I meant the whole civil rights movement

On May 10th 09, Obama botched his facts in a speech criticizing the U.S. auto industry for â??investing in bigger and faster cars while foreign competitors invested in more fuel-efficient technology.â?�Obama stated that â??while our fuel standards havenâ??t moved from 27.5 miles per gallon in two decades, both China and Japan have surpassed us, with Japanese cars now getting an average of 45 miles to the gallon.â?� But Toyota, which should know, has responded, â??No carmaker gets 45 mpg; ours is closer to 30 mpg.â?�Well, weâ??re glad to see Obamaâ??s shifting the blame from the consumer to the automakers. That must explain why the Illinois Senator and Presidential candidate owns a HEMI-powered V8 Chrysler 300C.Obviously itâ??s Chryslerâ??s fault Obama bought a big 5.7-liter engine from them â?? he just didnâ??t have a choice.

Last fall during a nationally televised presidential debate, Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare that he opposed decriminalizing marijuana. (first video).But as a candidate for the U.S. Senate four years ago, Mr. Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use or possession, according to a videotape of a little noticed debate that was obtained by The Washington Times.â?�I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws,â?� Mr. Obama told an audience during a debate at Northwestern University in 2004. â??But Iâ??m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.â?� (second video).Asked about the two different answers, Mr. Obamaâ??s presidential campaign said he in fact has â??alwaysâ?� supported decriminalizing marijuana as he answered in 2004, meaning the candidate mistakenly raised his hand during the presidential debate last fall.


On December 22nd, in a small-town café in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.
As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.
â??Iâ??ve always been a Christian,â?� the Illinois Democrat responded. â??I have never practiced [Islam].â?�Note: The newspaper editors had to add the word, â??Islam.â?�In his autobiography, â??Dreams From My Father,â?� Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied â??mengajiâ?� (recitation of the Quran).â?� Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, â??Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.â?� Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, â??He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a â??sarong.â??â?� (See Obamaâ??s Education.)Yet, on his official campaign website, Obama has posted this statement, â??Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity.â?�Obamaâ??s grandfather was a Muslim. Obamaâ??s father was a Muslim. Obamaâ??s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasnâ??t a Muslim?
If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim, and why did he study the Quran?And note his Clintonesque defense, â??I have never practiced.â?�

This is Obamaâ??s biggest problem â?? his dissimulation.

Saying, â??Iâ??ve always been a Christian,â?� is a bold-faced lie.

i'll add this everytime he speaks he's always giving glory to islam. islam this and that.he is always quoting from the quran yet he's christian yea ok....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JByHFOLJBjY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H64yK...eature=related


hwta happened to no pork barrel this or that? i could go on and on.i can dig up alot more but it's getting late.

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For a second put yourself in his shoes, in his first day in office.

Economic crisis, war, extremist, Iran, North Korea, and alooot more.

Why bother getting us out of an economy issue? lets just sit back and enjoy a new great depression...

People donâ??t need health care, let them break a leg or catch a couple of good infections and go into debt, it isnâ??t my problem...

The world isnâ??t going to get any hotter. Let polar ice caps melt, I donâ??t care, let our children worry about that...

Lets also pass more bills like the Patriot act to take away more liberties...
And while we at it letâ??s pull out billions of dollars from our ass to pay for anything that people btch aboutâ?¦

O yea and lets bring our soldiers back, and let extremist nourish so they can hit us again probably in the future with better technology and better sophistication...

Moreover, Do you think that he is going to get allot more publicity in todayâ??s society if he said that marijuana should be legalized, when thereâ??s a bigger majority of people that discriminate over marijuana use, I believe not.

No one will agree with everything he says, but popularity is crucial to his presidency. He tries to make a good impression with everyone, but itâ??s impossible to get everybody on his good side.

I like this president because he is open minded about the world not like other closed minded president we have had. He at least acknowledges people like Native Americans and Atheist, and he lays out the problems in everyday life and tries to get people to help him find solutions.

All Iâ??m saying is that why judge a person too quick?
Remember he is only one person, no one is perfect all the time, but having a good reasonable leader that makes intelligent decision is the best way to improve life in earth.

But tell me this would you rather prefer a president like Mc. Cain, Palin, or what about Brown, or hell fk it lets have Bush back

So, let another rich Bush take his spotlight away and go back to being a so called dimwitted "Christian Nation."

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First...Still beating that dead horse? Perhaps you should read a little deeper than the comic pages to form your opinion. Admittedly, that takes longer to explain than can fit in the sunday funnies, and Air America went bankrupt trying to sell this snake-oil, so isn't easily digested by liberals.


Second...Ever listen to the oath of office the president of the United States? Ever read the United States Constitution...? (obviously not) How do you feel about Woodrow Wilson and FDR's goals to subjugate the states' rights to govern themselves? Your president Osama has bastardized our constitution and his traitorous dealings with unions and private "green" industries will be his downfall.

Thirdly...Perhaps you'd like to list all the biases presented on Fox News. I watch other cable and national news programs and can't keep from laughing at the blatant progressive bias and lies.

Fourthly...where are you getting your facts and figures? Perhaps Cap-n-Trade will fix our ill's though.

Also (what happened...can't count past 4?) You'll be seeing the tax codes reflect the new taxes. Matter of fact...you'll see the new taxes for a few years before seeing any of the services. This taxation without representation is a socialist agenda Osama insists on forcing upon a public that has had enough of his administrations lies, deciept, and subterfuge.

Do you know what's in it? Explain exactly the lies you feel that have been expressed in regards to the socialist deathcare options Obama is pushing.

Finally...? Hardly, looks like your ignorance just keeps going, and going....
I've never seen an illegal's house being raided because of immigration status. Seen shitloads of healthy, gainfully employed and generally law-abiding illegal aliens workplaces being raided by ICE, yet the jails remain full of the illegal felons. So what is your proof backing your moronic statements?

He won because all of the democrat candidates have fallen into lockstep with a progressive agenda designed to take from American workers and give to union bosses trying to cover the tracks leading to their graft, corruption and failure, while supporting efforts in foreign countries, using our tax dollars and ACORN and union dues to lower OUR standard of living. Without a government bailout (Obamacare) the unions are screwed and the current administration knows it.

Ill bet. But you would disregard them wholesale, and you're assumptions are your folly. Plus, your assumptions are too numerous to list. (although most of us can count past 10 or so)



Conservatism will set you free. Progressivism and socialism aim to control your life.

So sad seeing the results of our failed educationa system. :(

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Your lucky im too busy this week with tons of hw, for i would of contradicted you in alot of your claims. But Ill have your post in mind to give you a good debate later on this week.

As long as you have your facts straight and links to support your position...this type of debate is something I'm fairly well-versed in. I sure hope your homework is in political science or government, as I've already done my homework in that particular field of study. :thumbsup:

first off i'll say this,i was raised with morals and respect.i was also taught that your word was your bond.with that said i can tell that you don't go by these ways of thinking? and for someone thats running for the highest office i think these virtues should be at the top of the list.not lie your ass off to trick the people to elect you.in his case he really did'nt have to do any of that the american people are so dumbed down all they voted for was he's black and he's a smooth talker.

no need to get upset at me for pointing out the lies.no need to get upset because i think his word should be bond.

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For a second put yourself in his shoes, in his first day in office.
Economic crisis, war, extremist, Iran, North Korea, and alooot more.he is the one that said he knew how to fix it all and no worries just get him in office and he had a plan"plan he never laid out"but kept telling everyone he had it all worked out.even so much so that he kept saying his plan was better than anyone elses running.

Why bother getting us out of an economy issue? lets just sit back and enjoy a new great depression...so you think he got us out of this depression?really? you really believe what cnn and cnbc tells you huh?it has'nt even hit hard yet and you think it's over lmao.btw walmart just announced they are going to lay off 10k workers.how about do some real research b4 spouting stuff you know nothing about??

People donâ??t need health care, let them break a leg or catch a couple of good infections and go into debt, it isnâ??t my problem...i can tell you have'nt even read the bill wow.you really think his bill was that great?? it's called reading you might want to try it sometime??it states directly in the bill that it would be competitive with open market ins.do you know what that even means? i'll explain it for you it means that this bs healthcare bill will be no diffrent than ins companies. it will cost just as much if not more.

also it states you will be chipped go to page 1000 to 1010 and read it for yourself.talk about land of the free?and your talking about how much bush inceased there powers.all bush was doing was setting it all up for obama.if you think they are so much apart then just look at the bills that bush passed right b4 he left office.he setup obama up for total rule why would bush do that if he hated the dems so much?

The world isnâ??t going to get any hotter. Let polar ice caps melt, I donâ??t care, let our children worry about that..another braindead statement take alook EU Referendum: UN climate panel blunders again thats just 1 of many that are being exposed.those ice caps up north are whats left over from the ice age the ice age that were still coming out of btw. so you really believe man did this? roflmao so you don't think the sun has cycles as does the earth? do you know how many cycles the earth has went through? did you know carbon is the basis of all life?without carbon we would not be here?did you know that the more carbon in the air the better things grow like trees and plants?you know the things we need to live??
so let me get on your lvl,you believe all the bs talk from people like algore and obama about how man has done all this and we need to tax man to make it all better.you would think that all the stuff the earth and planets have went through to form you would think that they would be alil stronger? i mean if man can destory earth in such a short record time of only 60 to 80 years max.lets see the earth has been here for billions of years and man kills it in 60 to 80 years???really?i guess it's our fault to when comets fall from space to earth?

Lets also pass more bills like the Patriot act to take away more liberties...
And while we at it letâ??s pull out billions of dollars from our ass to pay for anything that people btch aboutâ?¦you mean those bills that obama has been reinforcing and adding to?those bills?

O yea and lets bring our soldiers back, and let extremist nourish so they can hit us again probably in the future with better technology and better sophistication...so what your saying is your against obama on this? those were his exact words?i like how people like you"and there's alot of em"that like to bypass what was said by the person your so hard up for.i guess you can't defend what he said from his own face so you have to twist it as if it's what i said or whoever said and were wrong for bring it up.people like yourself just don't believe in accountability???

Moreover, Do you think that he is going to get allot more publicity in todayâ??s society if he said that marijuana should be legalized, when thereâ??s a bigger majority of people that discriminate over marijuana use, I believe not.thats not the point the point is he said 2 diffrent things it's called brown nosing or kiss ass. both of which shows no moral character no back bone can't be trusted.



No one will agree with everything he says, but popularity is crucial to his presidency. He tries to make a good impression with everyone, but itâ??s impossible to get everybody on his good side. so far people like yourself make it to where he needs nothing only he looks cool and it's about time we have a balck prez you knew nothing of his stance on anything same as now from the looks of it.

I like this president because he is open minded about the world not like other closed minded president we have had. He at least acknowledges people like Native Americans and Atheist, and he lays out the problems in everyday life and tries to get people to help him find solutions.

All Iâ??m saying is that why judge a person too quick?
Remember he is only one person, no one is perfect all the time, but having a good reasonable leader that makes intelligent decision is the best way to improve life in earth. so we are to look past all the 2 facedness the lies. i mean i don't know about you but when someone lies that many times it only takes a sec to see right through them. maybe your a bit slow and need a few years to fig it out??

But tell me this would you rather prefer a president like Mc. Cain, Palin, or what about Brown, or hell fk it lets have Bush backsee your type is so easy to pick out and see through.because i call obama on his bs that pisses you off so you would love to attack so you go str8 to thinking i must be for the "otherside" if you have read anything i have said you can see where i point out bush's bs too. to me they all need to go every one of them.they are all the same,i can't believe your so asleep that you can't see that obama is doing just as bush did and even more so. name 1 prez that when running for office talked about all the stuff they were gunna do if you just elect me.then make office and do it? none of them none.they are all cut from the same cloth.they are all connected most are family.

So, let another rich Bush take his spotlight away and go back to being a so called dimwitted "Christian Nation."

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awww see there it is out in the open show me who you are and what you stand for, nothing.you have no problem with obama being a liar truth is out. if bush would have said he did'nt believe in a god you would be all for him too.

"american people are so dumbed down all they voted for was he's black and he's a smooth talker."
Very true. I almost voted for him for those exact reasons. From everything I've read I think Obama is more of a pawn than a leader. He's being played as many presidents have been. His history troubles me. Not because of his supposed birth records but the people that paid for his education. Some of his history has CIA written all over it. Look at the flunky he put in charge of the CIA. Obviously a lot of things are happening behind the scenes that the AMerican public isn't privy to. And really thats the big issue,transperancy. And we see what that got us now.

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"american people are so dumbed down all they voted for was he's black and he's a smooth talker."
Very true. I almost voted for him for those exact reasons. From everything I've read I think Obama is more of a pawn than a leader. He's being played as many presidents have been. His history troubles me. Not because of his supposed birth records but the people that paid for his education. Some of his history has CIA written all over it. Look at the flunky he put in charge of the CIA. Obviously a lot of things are happening behind the scenes that the AMerican public isn't privy to. And really thats the big issue,transperancy. And we see what that got us now.

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yes that is true he like all others are puppets but that does'nt make what they do right.

[quote=lve2smk]What I was implying by my question is that why is it always the rich white narrow minded dude that never worked for nothing in his life, the person that gets the opportunity to run? Why arenâ??t low or middle class people that are open minded about life by the American struggle given a chance to run? QUOTE]

i could ask the same ?? about africa or china have you ever seen a white"dude" make office in those places??

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Well I still haven't had the time to reply to everyone here because my weeks have been packed. But what I see in this forum are hard headed people that have fallen into the republican propaganda, if you believe Obama can accomplish and fix everything within one year, you have unrealistic expectations. Especially when people like you criticize the president for spending. How in the hell you expect him to fix everything without money, don't you know money makes the world go round, if u don't know that then sir you are stupid. He dosnt have a magic wand to set everything right he has resources that's all I'm saying. Next, You are the one that needs some learning from history and political science. You expect him to be a god or something. You tell me what single leader has ever conformed everyone at the same time? and If you really study political science you would learn that it takes more than the president voice to pass something. So why the blame game? Its people like you that let people like bush into office. I say you are the ignorant one. Also, what the hell u mean people can see through me. Go ahead look through me I'm a democrat wishing to set a better life for everyone there you know everything about me. Why should you hide in your shell I ask. Probably you want to act cool or your afraid to come out of the closet, or you don't accept your own self. People like you don't know what they want, so you resort to criticize anything you see.
Learn to be open.
However, I don't deny there are evil people in both parties, but people judge to quick. We will see soon enough who is going to be right in the end until that time comes then all the criticism can resume. I can see through your "kind" too: pot smoker, couch hunger and ignorant. Stop being part of the problem that keeps Americas standards low and start being part of the solution.
P.s sorry for the grammar issues, I wrote it quick.