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Just want to tell people there is a new Club in Tacoma for Authorized Patients.
All kinds of help available getting started, from supplies to advice to genetics, we can help with everything you need!
Call us at 253-507-6290 or visit us on the web: http://northendclub420.com/
Thanks!
Sounds interesting, but you should be more open about what you have for patients without becoming a member. California co-ops post their menus for all to see. :twocents: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Club420
That has more to do with keeping it if the search engines than anything else. Unfortunately, that's the only way to know a human is reading the info and not a bot.
I wish it weren't so. Maybe after things change some more. :rasta:
Ok, keeping it OFF the search engines! That's what I was trying to say. :)
After some discussion, the menu is now viewable by anyone.
Your eight price is reasonable, and your menu looks tasty. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Club420
I don't get it. How are you getting around the no dispensary law?
Also, I kinda disagree with the fairness of the price. That is the going street price. What about compassion for the sick person? My patients have been on state medical aid. Crap I give it to them. If they donate, so be it, but they don't, they can't afford to.
You have a sliding scale for those folks?
Sorry. I sound harsh, I do not mean to. I just think street price is not fair to the medical person.
You would really be pissed about $50 an eighth on the east side of the state, and then they want a taste on top. Black market thrives. But, I do prefer ten $ or less for a gram. Nice to see you can give it away. I could use a donation of medicine. Need an address????? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
Fair is in the eye of the beholder. If it's not YOUR idea of fair, then go elsewhere, it's that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
If YOU want to see $10 eights, then start your own deal and request smaller donations -- rather than bitch and moan about someone else who is actually doing something productive. Maybe you are doing that, then kudos to you and where's YOUR website?
The reality is that anyone involved in helping supply meds to MMJ patients is accepting some level of risk. They need some money to cover that risk. That's just a fact. So, either help those who are helping you, or don't. That's your choice to make.
I'm just a bit tired of hearing the old refrain "I'm poor, I deserve something cheap, or something free" as critizism of anyone and everyone in the MMJ community who is trying to help patients. So here's a novel idea: work for it, or start your own system of helping others.. or keep whining, whatever floats your boat.
I'm not affiliated with that club in any way shape or form. I genuinly wish everyone success whether they are charging 'street' prices or bargain basement prices.
This is just my personal $.02.
The only reason we started it is there are people charging $20 - $30 a gram, wearing halos and acting like they're helping people.
So, we have to pay $25 for 1/8 oz and we ask for a $40 donation. Any retail business would quickly die with that kind of margin - you make more off of bubble gum - and they're legal business with no unusual risks. That doesn't even count the stuff we give away.
We just want to create a self-sustaining club that actually HELPS patients. But, that takes money and we have to start somewhere. Remember, we're patients, too.
We would be happy to give it away for free if we could get it at that price. But, all the folks with weight seem to want a minimum of $3200/lb.
That's kinda hard to get around.
Anyone wanna sell us medical-grade herb for $1600/lb? That's $100/oz.
I know places where you can't even get Mexican brickweed for $100/oz.
See the problem?
So, unless a truck full of prime bud gets left in our parking lot or some generous benefactor writes us a hefty check, we're gonna hafta do this the hard way. But, we can't sit idly by as profiteers are cashing in on the sick and injured, while gleefully counting their stacks. It's sickening.
I do see the problem. It is not just you, it is the whole shebang. If you have to buy then ya, you have to make money. I am a businessman. I understand. I just feel that people using for medical reasons should pay less than a recreational user.
I don't set the prices, I just see them. Sure I would love a donation to offset my costs. It does cost to grow.
Sorry Gypski, I already have a patient I supply.
And, Jack, I am not whining, moaning, or any of the other stuff you stated. I asked a question and I stated my impressions. Quit looking for an issue. Sorry if my statements came out that way, I have issues expressing myself.
I still would like to know how the heck you are getting around the dispensary law. I would start one if I knew I could safely do so and not break the law.
If someone is on state medical aide you feel they should pay full pop?
I understand regular prescription meds are expensive too. I think those folks get a break at the pharmacy, why not with MMJ? I am not saying just hand the stuff out for nearly free, look to the need for a sliding scale.
The world is full of greedy people, not saying club420 is at all. I am talking the whole forest, not one tree.
I've had AIDS since '93.Quote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
We've supposedly had medical marijuana since '98.
I'm tired of waiting for the government to follow the mandate of the people.
At this point, I'm more angry at the government than scared of it - and I believe in jury nullification.
Until December, I was on SSI. No one "in the business" gave me even so much as a free seed. There were plenty of so-called "compassionate souls" asking $20 - $30 a gram, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
However, those people don't post in forums and open themselves up like this. Why should they? They're getting paid. That's all they care about. I'm posting because we need people - not customers. We need volunteers and people like yourself, who want to make a difference in their communities. You don't get that by hiding in a corner and doing deals in parking lots.
And, yes, we do actually give away a fair portion of the product. That's one of the problems we have. It's not like we're even getting the full $40/eighth. Just yesterday, we paid for a doctors visit for a patient who called and was desperate for help. Do you think she went home without meds? Do you think she paid for them? So, that's a case where we gave away $200 AND some meds. That was yesterday in Tacoma - not long, long ago in some far away land.
Here's the deal: so far, only criminals and greedy types are in this industry in Washington. There are co-ops and patient groups. But, they operate very quietly. The average person would take months to find one. So, we want to change things. Unfortunately, though, we're just regular patients with no real resources. We don't have the kind of money it takes to even rent a building. So, it figures we would want to do this. The people we help are OUR people.
As has been already stated here, if you don't want to pay for your meds there are options. Just remember if the state takes over the sales its going to cost a lot more than $350-$400 an ounce.
Ya, I know, the whole thing is a mess, and not just in WA.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Well until I can do a coop/dispensary/whatever you want to call it......within the confines of the law and not risk spending the last of my painful life in jail and loosing our home and all that other shit that goes along with this big F'ed up mess we call a country.....
Yahoo for you with that lady....I commend you. See that kinda stuff needs to come out too.
I hope I did not upset you, I really did not intend to. You sound like good peoples. Bummer you have AIDS. I wish you best and hope you stay the sunny side up with all this. Just so long as folks like the lady you mentioned don't suffer I am all for ya.
You folks need to understand I used to be an EMT Paramedic before I got disabled. I really, really care about people getting relief for their issues. I really, really hate seeing folks profiteer (not profit) from someone else's misfortune.
The outright legalization may indeed really screw up the market but I think in long term it will stabilize the market (IF we don't get screwed by the government...ya right).
Ideally, supply and demand should set the price. The price is exaggerated over the cost specifically because of the risk and the cost of the risk taken. Myself, I see the stuff coming down. I have acquaintances in Cali that cannot get their price anymore since there is such a prevalence of product via the dispensaries............ That sounds healthy to me.
The last time I bought was 1991, I paid $40 for a 1/4. Guess I am just an olden days person.
We certainly appreciate your support!
It's hard enough to fight the system. We don't need to fight each other. That only helps the enemy. (Even though it's really hard to keep my mouth shut about some of the stuff I see.)
By the way, we now have FaceBook connect. So, if you have a FaceBook account, you can log in to Club 420 using your facebook ID: Login To Club 420 Using FaceBook! - Tacoma, WA Medical Marijuana - North End Club 420
Are you considering mail order after you have received a qualifying patients explicitly stated authorization within the state? There are some counties that don't have access other then the black market or their distance prohibits travel to a place of access. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Club420
Wow! You are an imaginative individual, aren't you? That thought never would have crossed my mind.
On the face of it, I'd have to say we will deliver, like a pizza gets delivered. But, I don't foresee a day, any time soon, when sending stuff through the post won't be a rather quick form of organizational suicide, not to mention incarceration for the participants.
It doesn't sound prudent and it would be of negligible value to the community we serve, I think. Most patients aren't exactly jet-setters.
I can see your point about the mail, but if a service like UPS or FedEx is used, its not interstate, but intrastate commerce. Exactly the legal ramifications remains to be seen. Imaginative? I prefer creative, but both are relative. It is a novel idea though. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Club420
Except that UPS and FedEx are national/international companies, so it could surely be considered interstate. Just my $.02Quote:
Originally Posted by gypski
You'd have to use a in state courier service, that only has a WA business license, and operates in no other state. But even that probably wouldn't be wise, at this point in time.
Don't tempt providence imho.
I went to northendclub420 today. They might charge a decent cost , but it is power!!!! If you dont desire the power, they have lower grade stuff that is relatively cheap.
Thanks 420club!!!!
Tacoma, WA Medical Marijuana - North End Club 420 -> FREE Classes Every Saturday!! 1PM
We're having FREE classes every Saturday at 1.
Classes are about everything from basic growing to health and medicine to processing cannabis to dealing with law enforcement.
A different subject each week!
NO Reservations Required
NO Fees or Costs
ABSOLUTELY FREE
Seating is limited. So, be a little early!
Before anyone asks, I'm not sure what the class will be this week...
I'll announce it in a day or two. :thumbsup:
What are your requirements for MMJ proof?
You just need a card or doc's recommendation. We have a form you sign in which you swear your documents are legit.
No fees, no hassles.
This Saturday's class is Cloning 101. :)
These guys rock even if they won't have me as a customer or help me !! At least they will help and service others.
Correction: Saturday's class is Beginning - Intermediate Growing with a Clone Exchange.
We are a club, not a business. We don't have any customers, just members.
Wait wait wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Are you saying that if the state totally legalized weed and legal tobacco companies got involved it would be $350-$400 an ounce?
I only ask because I've seen these things that come 20 to a pack that cost less than $10. They are produced legally, and taxed to shit, costing less than $1 per pack to produce, and sold for only $2 a pack in Mexico.
Are you actually saying that drug dealers are better for putting price pressure on the market than government or legal business?
Your club is doing a service to the industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Club420
It may be prohibitively expensive for most suffering patients, true.
But, with more clubs like your helping patients, and it becoming more in the open every day, this will bring more competition. This will allow MMJ patients more choice, driving prices down at the retail level. At that point, you'll have more power to ask your growers for a discount.
Even better would be growers to start their own business.
They could easily get rich and with $100 an ounce prices.
If a group like this supplies loads of cheap medicine it will really hurt the cartels, foreign or domestic. They'll have less power for their criminal enterprises and we'll have more security and less of a black mark on MMJ in general.
- Wish you luck. Hopefully you can grow big enough and public enough to start changing things.
Absolutely it would end up more expensive. Because government will require a whole host of new laws regulating, taxing and controlling the market, just like they do cigarettes. That will mean a lot of extra expenses for a legitimate business. If we get the new intiative passed, a big if, Prices will drop some for a temporary period until our legisalture gets there hands on drafting new regulations and taxes. If there was some way to completely remove any government intervention then I would agree, costs would come way down.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
I agree that the state should have minimal anything to due with cannabis. They can sell a license to grow for a nominal fee, and to maybe sales tax recreational cannabis. But, to run it like they do the government itself would only fuck it up!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Not with a 15-plant limit, they won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
Thank you very much for the compliments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DankDragon
But, sometimes, it's hard to not feel like we're still stumbling around in the dark. We have so many things we want to do... we've really hardly even started. ;)
I personally endorse NEC420, for what it's worth.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Club420
Can't wait too see NEC420 expand statewide. You guy's have ethics and principle, which others do not.:D They have greed and chance in mind.
Ok.. so if it became legal, just like beer, it would be more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
And, if it became legal that would make private drug dealers whom are now not taking any risk and have a huge economy of scale, raise their prices.
Wow
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Originally Posted by Club420
1 - if it was legal there would be no plant limit
2 - most anybody supplying pounds are not following the law, obviously
I can agree nobody will get rich off growing 15 plants.
According to people here though, economy of scale and legalization would make things more expensive for your business.
First of all, we aren't a for-profit business. We are a not-for-profit. I just want that to be made clear, for the record.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlegreens
Second, I think you miss the point. We all agree that outright, unfettered legalization would be a GREAT thing. But. we aren't so naive as to think such a thing will ever come to pass. The free market and the law of supply and demand will not control prices. It will be tightly-controlled and highly-regulated and THAT will screw up any pipe dreams you might be having about living in a society where the damned government leaves us be!
As we've already seen in Cali. They're using zoning ordinances to shutdown legitimate dispensaries, and new taxing procedures to suck as much of the money up as they can. Thats why I'm against having government involved. They will tax the shit out of it. Pretty much every year or 2 they will keep increasing the tax. And hence force it back underground again.
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Originally Posted by Club420
He wants more government control and involvement. For some reason, , by what ive read and understood by Seattlegreens posts, he wishes for big pharm and government to control our MMJ.
Sounds awefully fishy to me. goes against the wishes of almost EVERYONE I met in life. I wonder if there is a reason or a motive behind this kind of mindset?
Why is the profit margin or the business of anyone else concern you Seattlegreens?
The 420 club is a club of patients helping patients. It cant be more simple than that....if there is a profit or a loss of monies, its no ones business but the people involved.
Bottom line is patients are being helped and THATS ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER!!!!
Hey Michael do you still have a menu posted? I can't find it.
1) - I want LESS government regulation than currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemonhoko
Prohibition by definition is your government granting you less freedom than something being legal. The government would be smaller without so many people in jail and so many cops, DEA, etc going into our private lives.
Do you feel safer buying from a drug dealer than from the liquor store?
2) I am sorry EVERYONE you have met wishes us to be less free to use or grow a plant. My motive is selfish in that I want cheaper weed. It's also selfish because I want the place I live to be a better place, with less government intervention.
3) Patients helping patients is much better than nobody being helped at all.
Maybe you could say there are shades of grey.
I'd list them like this (best being on top, best option being on bottom)
- total prohibition
- current state - schedule 1, not allowed at hospital, etc
- medical state (like opiates, or antidepressants)
- total legalization - like beer
if we can move the scale downwards and get it to at least a medical state, we would be doing a great thing for our economy and our freedom.