Cloning hermie mom, specific genetic question.

Ok, so this is something I have had happen before and I have always been curious. You bud a plant, it's 100% female, it's a beauty. You regenerate it and take clones. You bud the regen and it goes slight, >%1 hermie. No problem, knock off the flowers continue to bud. I assume the plant has had enough stress to warrant a slight freak out. So the question is, in this theoretical situation, would your clones exhibit the hermie tendency? Would the amount of time the clones spent in veg play a role on how much more like the original mother the flowers were?

Is the answer,
A. The clones would revert to the flowering pattern of the mother completely as soon as they are rooted?
B. The clones would need XX time in vegging to completely revert to the mother's traits?
C. The clones will all show the exact hermaphrodite traits the regenerated mother did?
D. It all depends on the plant?

I hope to be able to learn this stuff through experiment but it would help if anyone with experience knows. I don't want to know what the "best thing to do" is, I am just curious about this specific dynamic in cannabis genetics and what most people find their plants doing.

Thanks in advance.

' C ' ... yes, that's my final answer :D ... keep in mind, even the most stable strains tend to go hermaphrodite, in old age ... and, a clone is, technically, the same age as the 'mother plant' ... it would seem logical the clone would have a tendency to hermie ... but, that's only my uneducated theory, I can't back that up :D

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

' C ' ... yes, that's my final answer :D ... keep in mind, even the most stable strains tend to go hermaphrodite, in old age ... and, a clone is, technically, the same age as the 'mother plant' ... it would seem logical the clone would have a tendency to hermie ... but, that's only my uneducated theory, I can't back that up :D

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As long as it's a theory based on experience and not "what seems right" I am satisfied.

Thanks for your input.

My experiance is that when I take a clone from the hermie branch it turns out hermie, but when the clone comes from a non-hermie branch it turns out 100% female. Just my 2cents.

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Originally Posted by jamessr

My experiance is that when I take a clone from the hermie branch it turns out hermie, but when the clone comes from a non-hermie branch it turns out 100% female. Just my 2cents.

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I wonder if that type of designation includes other traits. For example, would a branch cloned from the top of the plant tend to yield more than a branch from lower on the plant? Do the genetic markers or imprints remain the same or is there a point (vegging) where the plant gains a fresh start?

From the responses so far, that seems unlikely.

It all depends on the plant's genetics and the ability of the gardener to keep the ladies stress-free. All cannabis plants I've ever worked with have the latent ability to develop hermie traits under stress.

I do know that if you are working with a genetically stout strain, and you've purposefully stressed her to make pollen for you, you can cut-back and re-veg her into a normal, healthy female without further hermie expression. Yes, I have done this often when producing femmed seeds, and there is a little something about it in my re-veg threads. (I think)

My guess is that you had a light leak, temperature fluction, ph problem...that caused the re-veg to hermie. Over-pruning and overspraying can also stress the re-veg. I've never had a forced hermie re-veg keep her hermaphrodite expression. But then again...I never tried to re-veg one back into hermaphrodism, either.

If you clone a hermie...you get a hermie.

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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome

It all depends on the plant's genetics and the ability of the gardener to keep the ladies stress-free. All cannabis plants I've ever worked with have the latent ability to develop hermie traits under stress.

I do know that if you are working with a genetically stout strain, and you've purposefully stressed her to make pollen for you, you can cut-back and re-veg her into a normal, healthy female without further hermie expression. Yes, I have done this often when producing femmed seeds, and there is a little something about it in my re-veg threads. (I think)

My guess is that you had a light leak, temperature fluction, ph problem...that caused the re-veg to hermie. Over-pruning and overspraying can also stress the re-veg. I've never had a forced hermie re-veg keep her hermaphrodite expression. But then again...I never tried to re-veg one back into hermaphrodism, either.

If you clone a hermie...you get a hermie.

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Very good response, thank you.

You are probably right about the light leakage, I don't think I was very conscientious of light leakage 15 years ago. Probably not as much as I should have.

So that's interesting, if you get her growing in veg again and clone her minus the stress that hermi'ed the mom they could reverg to full female. That's what I wondered.

Rusty, do you find that pruning all at once or a little at a time is less stressful for the revegged moms?

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Originally Posted by jakester

So that's interesting, if you get her growing in veg again and clone her minus the stress that hermi'ed the mom they could reverg to full female.

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In a nutshell...Yup. Must be stable strain, and go easy on the stress till necessary. (no light leaks, temperature or ph fluctuations...)

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Originally Posted by jakester

Rusty, do you find that pruning all at once or a little at a time is less stressful for the revegged moms?

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After harvest I'll strip her of mostly all buddage, and leave a few leaves and healthy stems.
A couple weeks later, I re-pot.
A couple of weeks after re-potting I take the first 4-6 viable shoots, then let her recover. 4-8 more, let her recover...but I try never to take more than 50% of the new growth. No real reason except it's a handy rule to keep me from going overboard. :thumbsup:

Wow!...I've been wondering about that.
It's amazing what one can learn by paying a little attention and studying a bit!!!

i have a big sativa growing thats 6 weeks into flower ,it has produced male pods only on one lower branch ,were there seemed to be little light getting through ,ive cut the branch off as soon as i noticed it and the rest of the plant looks good ....what should i do next do i cut off any male pods if produces more or should i just leave them .........many thanks

also i have 2 ak47,s in with it that are 2 weeks behind it in flower will these be ok or will they go hermy too ,this is my first time growing and they are in pots in a growroom .the temp is steady at about 75 degree,s im feeding 1.5 on my nuts and ph is going in at 6.5 all these are what ive been told to do but not sure if they right any help would be greatly appricatated :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by mrcoops2005

i have a big sativa growing thats 6 weeks into flower ,it has produced male pods only on one lower branch ,were there seemed to be little light getting through

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This can be due to the bottom branches not getting quite enough light especially in a younger female, say the first go around from seed. Over the years I have learned a true hermie mixes the male flowers all over the plant, not just the bottom.

I humbly suggest, trimming the bottom for better penetration of light and less stress at those bottom flowers. If you get an occasional nanner, pick it off before it opens of gnats pollenate something, I daily check all my females for signs of stress, aka, nanners.

thanks for the reply ,and i would say your quite right ,ive done what you say and moved the plants further apart too ,there is plenty of light getting down there now and she looks happy every were else .not long now so dont realy want to loose the lot now .thanks for your help ;):thumbsup:
would it be posible to get some seeds off my ak47 with out loosing the rest of the crop say just off one bud ,can this be done or is it to riskey or just not possible

It's possible, but you risk pollinating the entire growroom if you screw it up.
I collect the pollen in a jar or cup. Then, I use a Q-Tip with most of the fuzzies pulled off and discarded, (or a soft, fine-line artists brush) gently dip it in the pollen, and 'paint' the pollen on the pistils I want pollinated. I only 'paint' the pistils on the lower branches, and use a twist-tie to mark the seeded branch or branches. You don't want seeds in your cola if you can help it.

No sneezing, no fans, no dropping the jar of pollen, and do this outside of the growroom if possible.

thanks for the info :jointsmile: