Question about the tincture I'm making

First, the background, then the question.

I have some ground up bud soaking in 190 proof grain alcohol right now. Been soaking 20 days. I'm going to let it go 10 more days, then start evaporating off the alcohol so I'm left with mostly the canna-oil. I'm going to heat the tincture very slowly, safely, and carefully to about 170 degrees and let the alcohol boil off.

Okay, here's the question. I want to be able to take this tincture under my tongue. However, the alcohol is *very* strong and can burn. I don't want to evaporate all the alcohol off to make sure I don't burn the oil, so I'm just going to evaporate most of it. My question is this:

If I add water to what is left of the tinture so that it dilutes the remaining alcohol, will adding water to the canna-oil harm the tincture? In other words, if I just put the oil itself under my tounge, would that be "stronger" than if I added a few tablespoons of water and swished it around in my mouth, let it soak under my tongue, etc. and swallowed it. I just want to make sure I don't ruin my 30 days worth of work. This is my first time making a tincture.

Thanks and Peace!



P.S. - note to moderators since I know this place gets legalistic about certain drugs... I'm not *drinking* the alcohol, I'm only using it to extract the medical compounds from the cannabis.

1. 1oz thru coffee grinder
2. Empty into sealable glass jar
3. Add favorite alcohol, I use Tequila
4. Add enough liquid to 'float' biomass
5. Tightly seal and vigorously shake jar
6. Place jar in dark drawer, wait a week, reshake, return to drawer for one more week
7. Triple strain material
8. Now, the good part...go to Walmart and buy a small push-top atomizer, preferably shirt pocket size
9. Pour strained contents of jar into thoroughly washed atomizer.
10. A spray or two between cheek and gum will do it. Take it slow. Packs a whollop!

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Originally Posted by jsn9333

First, the background, then the question.

I have some ground up bud soaking in 190 proof grain alcohol right now. Been soaking 20 days. I'm going to let it go 10 more days, then start evaporating off the alcohol so I'm left with mostly the canna-oil. I'm going to heat the tincture very slowly, safely, and carefully to about 170 degrees and let the alcohol boil off.

Okay, here's the question. I want to be able to take this tincture under my tongue. However, the alcohol is *very* strong and can burn. I don't want to evaporate all the alcohol off to make sure I don't burn the oil, so I'm just going to evaporate most of it. My question is this:

If I add water to what is left of the tinture so that it dilutes the remaining alcohol, will adding water to the canna-oil harm the tincture? In other words, if I just put the oil itself under my tounge, would that be "stronger" than if I added a few tablespoons of water and swished it around in my mouth, let it soak under my tongue, etc. and swallowed it. I just want to make sure I don't ruin my 30 days worth of work. This is my first time making a tincture.

Thanks and Peace!



P.S. - note to moderators since I know this place gets legalistic about certain drugs... I'm not *drinking* the alcohol, I'm only using it to extract the medical compounds from the cannabis.

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I've made 190 proof tinctures that you could use sublingually, but you have to boil off most of the alcohol so that it is no longer 190 proof, to not burn your mouth.

The oral medications that I've made by the process that you describe, however had a deep and pervasive greeeen taste, with a bitter after taste, and weren't popular except diluted in other drinks.

If you will use an oil bath and bump your temperature up to ~ 240F things will go a bit faster and you will drive off some of the green tasting turpeens, as well as break down the chloraphyl.

You also still have water to drive off as well, from atmospheric humidity, the 10% Everclear that wasn't alcohol, and the residual plant moisture that the alcohol extracted, along with the water soluble constituets like chloraphyll.

The cold extraction method using non polar alcohol also extracts plant waxes and vegetable oils, so a tastier and more potent cold method is to extract from hash or kief, or to use QWISO techniques.

You can then remove the solvent and add just enough coconut oil or flavoring oil to the cananbis oil to keep it liquid, which makes an excellent sublingual.

I take most of my meds either sublingually or topically and for sublingual application, for each 10 grams of pure cannabis oil, I add .7 grams each of cinnamon bark oil, cinnamon leaf oil, and liquid myrrh gum, as well as 2 grams of cinnamon candy flavoring oil.

It works through a dropper and takes three drops for the high tolerance patients testing it. One drop was adequate for the average low tolerance patient, and the rest were scattered in the middle.

The good news is that patients have uniformly agreed that it is both tasty and efficacious.

GW

Alcohol is great for extraction but using it isnt too enjoyable with the usual potent flavor.. you can use food grade vegetable glycerine as a substitute for future extractions, let it soak for 6 to 8 weeks, however with heat the process is considerably faster.

Instead of the potent flavor of the alcohol tincture the result is a naturally sweet flavor that mimics the flavor of the bud you're using. vegetable glycerine is fully absorbable through skin and the inside of your mouth. Hash tincture is even more medicinal with multiple healing properties.

keep us posted on your tinc! everything sounds good and looks like all precautions are taken care of.

Good luck! happy medicating

Medi

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Originally Posted by Graywolf

I've made 190 proof tinctures ...

If you will use an oil bath and bump your temperature up to ~ 240F things...

You also still have water to drive off as well, from atmospheric humidity, the 10% Everclear that wasn't alcohol,...

The cold extraction method using non polar alcohol also extracts plant waxes and vegetable oils, so a tastier and more potent cold method is to extract from hash or kief, or to use QWISO techniques.

You can then remove the solvent and add just enough coconut oil or flavoring oil to the cananbis oil to keep it liquid, which makes an excellent sublingual.

I take most of my meds either sublingually or topically and for sublingual application, for each 10 grams of pure cannabis oil, I add .7 grams each of cinnamon bark oil, cinnamon leaf oil, and liquid myrrh gum, as well as 2 grams of cinnamon candy flavoring oil. ...

GW

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Interested in your use of coconut oil. I thought it was solid at room temp. But does mixing it with alcohol help keep it liquid enough to be able to use a dropper? Guess I just need to pick some coconut oil and try for myself. I've wondered if it actually has a coconut taste or not.

Currently I make my tinctures for myself & patients using Everclear, Grand Marnier, honey & agave. It's a little expensive but the end product tastes wonderful straight from the dropper. Have tried everclear just by it's self, and the burn is too much & flavor is awful. I've tried other liquors similar to Grand Marnier, but my taste buds must have expensive tastes and none of the cheaper versions had nearly the great taste (just to be sure, I did a blind taste test - I picked the G.M. as the better tasting every time)

Anyway interested in learning more on your tincture making techniques

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Originally Posted by ThaiBuddhaMan

Interested in your use of coconut oil. I thought it was solid at room temp. But does mixing it with alcohol help keep it liquid enough to be able to use a dropper? Guess I just need to pick some coconut oil and try for myself. I've wondered if it actually has a coconut taste or not.

Currently I make my tinctures for myself & patients using Everclear, Grand Marnier, honey & agave. It's a little expensive but the end product tastes wonderful straight from the dropper. Have tried everclear just by it's self, and the burn is too much & flavor is awful. I've tried other liquors similar to Grand Marnier, but my taste buds must have expensive tastes and none of the cheaper versions had nearly the great taste (just to be sure, I did a blind taste test - I picked the G.M. as the better tasting every time)

Anyway interested in learning more on your tincture making techniques

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I agree, cannabis oil by itself and Everyclear both leave a lot to be desired taste and after taste wise.

Cannabis oil and THC's peppery taste both taste a lot better when mixed with something sweet like glycerin or honey. I make those too, but this is something faster and more concentrated.

The viscosity of the tincture using coconut oil to cut the cannabis oil is temperature dependant. On cold days in these parts, it has to be warmed in an arm pit or under hot water to flow easily.

Using a nut oil like Almond will make that issue moot, it just doesn't asorb as fast.

Adding the three cinnamon oils and the myrrh also help reduce viscosity as well, but part of what the other ingredients do is make the cannabis oil so that it is no longer sticky and will feed through a dropper.

GW

Hi Guys and Gals,

I am new to the forum but not new to the benefits of the herb. My wife is going thru some medical issues that the Dr.'s can't figure out so they put her on pain meds. We aretrying to find alternative methods to relieve her pain. I recently finished my first attempys at tinctures. I made them 2 ways and have had great success. I used kief for a quick 24-48 hours everclear soak. Also I used trim and it just finished a months soak. the methods I read about don't say anything about heating the alcohol at the end? I have found people with real pain feel like this is God's gift and people that just enjoy smoking aren't as impressed. I have a good friend who can not deal with alcohol at all so I want ot try Glycerin I understand the long soak method but want ot know if I use kief can I have a batch ready in a few days?

Bone

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Originally Posted by CWPWBONE

Hi Guys and Gals,

I am new to the forum but not new to the benefits of the herb. My wife is going thru some medical issues that the Dr.'s can't figure out so they put her on pain meds. We aretrying to find alternative methods to relieve her pain. I recently finished my first attempys at tinctures. I made them 2 ways and have had great success. I used kief for a quick 24-48 hours everclear soak. Also I used trim and it just finished a months soak. the methods I read about don't say anything about heating the alcohol at the end? I have found people with real pain feel like this is God's gift and people that just enjoy smoking aren't as impressed. I have a good friend who can not deal with alcohol at all so I want ot try Glycerin I understand the long soak method but want ot know if I use kief can I have a batch ready in a few days?

Bone

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You can make glycerin tincture in a few days using hot extraction and heat cycling.

Trying to re-dissolve an extracted cannabis concentrate in glycerin doesn't work well because of all that precipitates out and hangs in suspension.

If you are using the cannabis extraction orally, you will get better results if you will decarboxylate your tinctures.

Not to long after my last post on this thread, I tried a "combo" tincture with Everclear, Grand Marnier, Glycerin, and Coconut Oil (also bit of agave too).

Wow! Most potent yet. And the viscosity is damn near perfect. Taste is very palatable straight, though still prefer mixed in my morning coffee with cream. For times I need the effects to act quickly for my knee pain, I just place a dropper full under my tongue for as long as I can (eventually mouth fills with saliva and ya gotta swallow). The effect is almost as quick as smoking/vaping (usually for me, digesting take about 45-60mins).

I did put it in the refrigerator for storage but found it took too long to turn back to liquid. So now I keep two bottles, one in frig, one in my cabinet for that week's usage.

Thank you GrayWolf!

Hello all, hope you don't mind if I share my methods for tincture.

I like to use the bubble bags to make hash out of the MJ, I find it's easier to measure how much is going into the tincture. I have also found that one quarter of some good stuff is about 1 gram of hash when ran through the bags.

If I use one gram of hash, it gives me two one ounce bottles of tincture. I start by putting the hash in the oven at 300*F for ten minutes and then add it to two ounces of the ever clear to break it down. I shake it in a canning jar with a wire whisk ball inside to help break down the hash, which usually takes a few hours of good shaking.

I then reduce the everclear by boiling it off in a hot water bath to one half ounce and add one half ounce of distilled water and one ounce of vegetable glycerine. I then shake it well and add it to my little dropper bottles. I also started adding the Loran flavorings, good stuff, I like the pomegranite and watermelon.

Excellent to use sublingually and the flavorings make a huge difference. My wife uses it for migrains, usually one half of a dropper is good for her.:thumbsup:

My brother uses the dropper and the atomizer spray bottle, I prefer the dropper.:cool:

Does the Bud have to be Dry?? Also does it have to be Cured first???

I got a bottle of EverClear and need a simple way to make some some day... Thanks guys...!

Grind it and bake it, I've used buds and trim right off the branch.:D

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Wow, you guys let your tincture "steep" a long time. I only do a couple days with the jar sealed, and shake it a couple times a day. Then I strain it into a measuring cup (a coffee filter put inside a regular strainer - takes awhile, but works).

Now my measuring cup let me knows how much liquid I started with. (You can draw a line with a sharpie, if you are forgetful - it comes off with alcohol on glass) To get a tincture that doesn't burn, just let the alcohol evaporate on it's own, in the glass measuring cup until it is 1/4 to 1/2 of the volume you started with. Or, even stronger concentration, by letting it sit evaporating for 10 days. Heating it sounds dangerous at that proof! You can leave it out and open, because the alcohol kills bacteria, etc. When you're done, store it in a dark bottle, in a dark place. I keep mine in the fridge.

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Originally Posted by hogger

Does the Bud have to be Dry?? Also does it have to be Cured first???

I got a bottle of EverClear and need a simple way to make some some day... Thanks guys...!

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Dry - yes
Cured - no

Like Toasty mentioned - a lot of people grind and bake in their oven to speed the drying process. Supposedly it also converts THCA to THC (or something like that). Temps & times vary. I myself place it in a unheated oven and set the temp gauge to 250 degrees F. After the preheat buzzer goes off (meaning it's reached 250 or at least close to it), I let it dry for about an hour, then I raise my oven's temp control knob to 325. When the preheat buzzer goes off - I take it out (just takes a couple of minutes). Some just do 325 for 5 minutes in a preheated oven. Others - 325 in a unheated oven, and after preheat buzzer goes off, then wait another 5 minutes. For me, the slower longer lower temps seem to work best.

Drying also helps get rid of a lot of the chlorophyll too - which if you have ever have a tincture with lots of chlorophyll - is nasty tasting!

Interesting...Thanks Guys.. Wasn`t sure if it had to be dry or not and all

do not add water as it will not mix completely, if you want you can add lemon juice or lime juice now (it can actually be used to make tinctures it has a very high alcohol content) and it will help increase potency and improve the taste..
or you can add it later just to help with the taste

I have a good amount of strongly medicated coconut oil- I've been cooking with it but my Mom is in severe pain so I was hoping to make a tincture. I have Everclear. (151% tho)

Can I just use the coconut oil or will I need too much, causing it to be too thick, or else horrible?

Coconut oil is my favorite way of making edibles- I'm surprised how few people take advantage of it- it's much easier to work with than butter, it's vegan friendly, it tastes good, and it's healthy(er).

And, hell, while you're on the subject of grinding and baking the nug- is that beneficial for cooking as well? Aren't lipids necessary for the chemical change in pot when heat is applied?

Hey Westley, I wanted to ask you about making medical coconut oil. What is your recipe? I tried it once and it came out pretty nice, but wasn't very strong at all :(
Do you decarboxylate first? At what temperature and for how long do you cook the ganja in the coconut oil? Thanks bro! Peace!

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Originally Posted by Westley0907

I have a good amount of strongly medicated coconut oil- I've been cooking with it but my Mom is in severe pain so I was hoping to make a tincture. I have Everclear. (151% tho)

Can I just use the coconut oil or will I need too much, causing it to be too thick, or else horrible?

Coconut oil is my favorite way of making edibles- I'm surprised how few people take advantage of it- it's much easier to work with than butter, it's vegan friendly, it tastes good, and it's healthy(er).

And, hell, while you're on the subject of grinding and baking the nug- is that beneficial for cooking as well? Aren't lipids necessary for the chemical change in pot when heat is applied?

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the reason people bake their cannibus is to convert the THCA into THC. This occurs when smoking and vaping but without this step in tinctures, the end products is not potent. Lipids are not necessary for this step

If you have a limited amount of bud or you are looking for something more intense, you might want to consider decarboxylating your bud before grinding and soaking. 255F for 25 minutes is a good way to do this.

Anyway, you must be patient to do a month-long cold extraction!! Cold extractions seem much cleaner and tastier to me, but I don't have the patience to wait that long.

By the way, I wouldn't bother heating to evaporate the alcohol. Just leave the cap off of the bottle and it will evaporate by itself very quickly due to the high volatility of 190 proof ethanol. If you were going to bother with all the heating mess, you could have saved all that time and done a hot extraction to begin with.

Regarding dilution with water in order to not burn your tongue: It is best to store your green dragon in the 190 proof state. But you should dilute individual servings with water or juice right before drinking.

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Originally Posted by jsn9333

First, the background, then the question.

I have some ground up bud soaking in 190 proof grain alcohol right now. Been soaking 20 days. I'm going to let it go 10 more days, then start evaporating off the alcohol so I'm left with mostly the canna-oil. I'm going to heat the tincture very slowly, safely, and carefully to about 170 degrees and let the alcohol boil off.

Okay, here's the question. I want to be able to take this tincture under my tongue. However, the alcohol is *very* strong and can burn. I don't want to evaporate all the alcohol off to make sure I don't burn the oil, so I'm just going to evaporate most of it. My question is this:

If I add water to what is left of the tinture so that it dilutes the remaining alcohol, will adding water to the canna-oil harm the tincture? In other words, if I just put the oil itself under my tounge, would that be "stronger" than if I added a few tablespoons of water and swished it around in my mouth, let it soak under my tongue, etc. and swallowed it. I just want to make sure I don't ruin my 30 days worth of work. This is my first time making a tincture.

Thanks and Peace!



P.S. - note to moderators since I know this place gets legalistic about certain drugs... I'm not *drinking* the alcohol, I'm only using it to extract the medical compounds from the cannabis.

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