AG Says

Washington's AGs comment toward legalization.

"Like most of my colleagues in law enforcement, like my father who was in law enforcement, I'm not a big fan of making marijuana available without a prescription. It is legal today if you have a prescription. That's fine, the voters approved that law and people who are really sick with cancer, for example, or glaucoma seem to derive real benefit from the medical or medicinal use of marijuana. But making it available generally without a prescription I don't support. I think as anyone in law enforcement can tell you it makes it very difficult to enforce the law beyond that. Most proposals are not to decriminalize it altogether, but it makes small amounts legal. And it makes it very hard for them to enforce the laws beyond the boundaries of legality. And I think it makes it harder for us to make the case for other illegal substances. And I think you'll see an increase in use, and given the potency of marijuana, I don't think that's a good thing, personally. The Legislature will grapple with it."

I find his comments hilarious. Years ago when I was still in the Marines, and having been busted for possession of marijuana (albeit 0.05 grams of vegetable matter), I was told by my step-grandfather, a Pennsylvania State Police Leutenant, that when I got out, I'd have no problems getting on the PSP. Naturally I declined the offer to become a State cop because I couldn't see arresting people for something that I had done myself. I was also told at the same time by my grandmother, that marijuana was used widely during the Roaring 20s and Alcohol Prohibition, and it was no big deal, or evil thing that it was made out to be.

I'd trust what my grandparents told me before what some state official who relies on corporate and fat cat funds to enable his political survival says. I can only wonder what the AG would have to say after finally taking a few tokes and speaking from experience rather then from a propaganda position that has polluted the truth concerning cannabis. Its officials like this that keep ruining the lives of innocent victims of an unjust war on cannabis. :D

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State attorney general: Legalizing pot a bad idea

Pay very close attention to the words he used " prescription" vs. "recommendation" the latter is the plain lingo of RCW 69.51A, the former does not exist,YET.

Our courts, as well as law enforcement clearly define these 2 terms of art, on opposite sides of the planet. This shows this guy is a fucken idiot, and is misleading the public to the detriment . We all as patients think we have a script to use our cannabis freely as our laws state just like the prescription we replaced which doesn't work or has failed in our standard treatment.

Bottom line is we are getting hosed by people of multiple learned profession(s) for their profit. This is nothing more than torturing us because we patients are not members of these closed door profession(s).

This is not only unethical, but criminal.

You know these idiots don't have to look any further then Hempfest to see the dangers of widespread cannabis use, there is none. Its just the same old biggoted people who don't want change no matter what it is.

We can fix this problem killerweed420. we just have too educate ourselves in order too do it. We must learn their professions and toss them the fuck out, legally using their rules and regs to do so. Just like they do too us when they put us in jail, steal our meds for their personal use and the like.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::D:rasta::joint smile:

This is why I post this stuff for us all to read learn and gain the knowledge, what is knowledge, it is PURE POWER TO OVERCOME the bigots.

I got some more stuff coming that will show how we can tumble these fucks.

This is the part I've got a problem with:

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And it makes it very hard for them to enforce the laws beyond the boundaries of legality.

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Seems like there are already plenty of laws to enforce within the boundaries of legality.

For those too young to remember or maybe even not born yet, this event I spoke of took place before the Schaffer Report that cannabis wasn't harmful came out, and Nixon started the War on Drugs as his plumbers were breaking into the Democratic Party offices in the Watergate Hotel and other nefarious crimes against the people. It kind of reminds me of Al Stewart's refrain in Nostradamous, "the more it changes, the more it stays the same". It takes people with courage to go against the grain, and we have yet to find a majority of our elected leaders (sic) with that courage. They can't even agree that Americans deserve decent health care without being taken to the cleaners. What a bunch of juveniles in my book. :jointsmile:

They killed our only leader in 1964 who went against the grain I believe, he was JFK. The harrison narcotics act (which was our nations drug law) was found unconstitutional, they replaced it with the international drug treaty calling it the CSA adopted by congress. The treaty is not self executing, but legislated by congress. Makes one wonder WTF?

Every one in WA. D.C. is nothing but profiteers, why would any of them mess that up.? Would you if your goal was $$$$$ pretending to work for the people? We are not under the control of We The People as our forefathers had written in the original hemp documents. We have unswervingly been highjacked by educated swindling people, and for huge profit.:mad::wtf:

This really sucks.:(

I keep reading this quote Mckenna made trying to make sense of it.

I'm not a big fan of making marijuana available without a prescription. It is legal today if you have a prescription.

Is it just me or is this just double talk?:wtf: Is our MMJ law here or in any state a legal prescription? If the answer is yes, then WTF are we being arrested and harassed by LEO for?:wtf: And which State has made it a LEGAL PRESCRIPTION????:wtf:

Is it his claim that a State registry is a prescription? If so, why would I need to register for as if I am a sex offender ?:wtf: I don't have to register if I am on any other medication for which I have a prescription for.

I detest being lied to by my states representitives for their profits. URRRRGGGGG ! This dumb ass needs to go.

Yeah and thats part of the big problem. Its not a prescription, its just a recommendation. So its not really medical. I would still prefer that all laws regarding MJ would be removed from the books. Its a plant, no plant should have to endure the persecution of our government. They've done it with a lot of other plants too.

My doctor recommended to me if I am having sexual dysfunctions:D to jack my own self off, does this mean I must register as a jackoff now? :mad:

Again, next election all these morons need to be voted out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by WashougalWonder

Again, next election all these morons need to be voted out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Every time I hear this, I can only think of Republicon plants that just want to return us to the days when "Republicans" ran the show.... What a great way to capitalize on our distrust of Demoncrats... Vote out "the majority" so they can be replaced by the "other majority"

Here's a novel idea.... Don't just vote them out, vote for someone who's not part of their two party system... Better yet, stop B#@$%ing about what "Politricksters" are doing and take advantage of our wonderful BALLOT INITIATIVE PROCESS.... I am amazed at the number of people "interested" in politics that ignore this invaluable tool...

"To legalize you won't give you your freedom, You want RIGHTS? Ask 'em to READ 'em"

Forget the state AG knowing anything about the mmj law, he's now joining other GOP AGs to try and find the Health Care Bill unconstitutional. Typical kool-aid sot. :D

washingtonpost.com

I'm new to this board. This is my first post, so I hope I do it correctly.:)

I've been looking over several of the threads. I've applied for my MMJ authorization, and am waiting to find out the results.

After reading the comments on THIS post, I wanted to throw in my 2¢.

My own personal rule regarding politicians: If they are anti-marijuana, I want to see them voted out. Plain and simple. If they don't have the brains to realize marijuana is benign, refuse to acknowledge all the studies done, and the anecdotal proof, they don't deserve to be in office. If they believe it, but choose to ignore it, they're probably corrupt, and don't belong in office.

I'm in my 60's, and retired. I vote in nearly every election. I can say in 30+ years, I've never voted Republican OR Democrat. Green party, Independent, Libertarian, etc.

I believe in the 'vote out the incumbent' principal to a certain degree.

A couple years ago, I found the Libertarian party. There ideals and platform run parallel to my own. I now call myself a Libertarian.

Late last year, I received information about a relatively new program called GOOOH. (Get Out Of Our House).

I bring this to this post, because of some of the comments I've read here. It would behoove you to check it out. (www. .com). It's a system that puts the power of the government back into the hands of the people. If you go to their website, there's a movie viewer that has 7-8 short videos. Spend a half hour or so watching those. It explains how it works.

Didn't mean to make this political (too much), but many of the comments in this post sounded like they were coming from like minded people. Figured I'd throw it out there.

I'm from the 'just south of Olympia' area. I intend to grow my own once approved. In the meantime, I'd be interested in any info on obtaining MMJ. I came here looking for dispensary/co-op info. Once I get my recommendation, I'll be happy to accept any seeds or clones. It's my understanding that a 'no fee involved' transfer from one MMJ patient to another is legal here in Washington.

Hope to be an 'official' member soon. :yippee:

Thanks.

Welcome to the forum. I too have been a libertarian for a couple decades. Its not for everyone. It really does take this country back to the constitution and scraps a lot of the crap that has been tagged to federal control. But it would be my preference. I'd prefer if any states wnat socialist type programs that the states do it, not the feds. Then its a little more controllable.

+3 on libertarian platform!

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

Yeah and thats part of the big problem. Its not a prescription, its just a recommendation. So its not really medical. I would still prefer that all laws regarding MJ would be removed from the books. Its a plant, no plant should have to endure the persecution of our government. They've done it with a lot of other plants too.

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This is from personal experience.
I was on DOC (Dept of Corrections) due to LEO popping my grow just as I was getting my Dr.'s recommendation.
I was on 1 years probation for not having my permit at the time of the bust, ..even though if the bust had happened within 3 weeks, I would have been in my limits and legal.
Anyways, during my probation, I was told by DOC, I could not use medical marijuana.
I had my attorney schedule a hearing with a judge to clearify the meaning of this, since by law I am legal to take marijuana as medicine.
The Judge stated and wrote that I was legal to use cannabis and he saw it no different than if I was prescribed Vicodin or any other medicine.
I am now off probation as of 1-8-10 and after a year of monthly urine samples, they didnt say anything to me or give me any troubles, even though I medicated with cannabis on a dailey basis.
I think they just wanted to keep this ruling as quiet as possible.

Just thought I'd inject some personal thoughts on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Lemonhoko

This is from personal experience.
I was on DOC (Dept of Corrections) due to LEO popping my grow just as I was getting my Dr.'s recommendation.
I was on 1 years probation for not having my permit at the time of the bust, ..even though if the bust had happened within 3 weeks, I would have been in my limits and legal.
Anyways, during my probation, I was told by DOC, I could not use medical marijuana.
I had my attorney schedule a hearing with a judge to clearify the meaning of this, since by law I am legal to take marijuana as medicine.
The Judge stated and wrote that I was legal to use cannabis and he saw it no different than if I was prescribed Vicodin or any other medicine.
I am now off probation as of 1-8-10 and after a year of monthly urine samples, they didnt say anything to me or give me any troubles, even though I medicated with cannabis on a dailey basis.
I think they just wanted to keep this ruling as quiet as possible.

Just thought I'd inject some personal thoughts on this issue.

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Not really being a legal eagle, I believe what one judge decides, usually sets a precedent that applies through out the particular state unless it goes all the way through the appeals process and then get a final judgment from the state's highest court. Then its basically final and a real true precedent.

Glad you posted to let others know what a judge has determined. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Lemonhoko

This is from personal experience.
I was on DOC (Dept of Corrections) due to LEO popping my grow just as I was getting my Dr.'s recommendation.
I was on 1 years probation for not having my permit at the time of the bust, ..even though if the bust had happened within 3 weeks, I would have been in my limits and legal.
Anyways, during my probation, I was told by DOC, I could not use medical marijuana.
I had my attorney schedule a hearing with a judge to clearify the meaning of this, since by law I am legal to take marijuana as medicine.
The Judge stated and wrote that I was legal to use cannabis and he saw it no different than if I was prescribed Vicodin or any other medicine.
I am now off probation as of 1-8-10 and after a year of monthly urine samples, they didnt say anything to me or give me any troubles, even though I medicated with cannabis on a dailey basis.
I think they just wanted to keep this ruling as quiet as possible.

Just thought I'd inject some personal thoughts on this issue.

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Thats good news. Now the next step is to allow prisoners the right to get there meds. I believe they actually should prescribe MJ for any inmate that wants it. It would help calm the prison population down.

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Originally Posted by gypski

Not really being a legal eagle, I believe what one judge decides, usually sets a precedent that applies through out the particular state unless it goes all the way through the appeals process and then get a final judgment from the state's highest court. Then its basically final and a real true precedent.

Glad you posted to let others know what a judge has determined. :thumbsup:

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Thanks Gypski, Its kind of hard to post that you've been busted. Ive grown cannabis for about 30 years and it was the first time my grow was busted. Seems you get a stigma or something negative when you admit the cops came to the house.
I just hope if any other patients are being harassed by the system that this post can help.
And yes, I believe my case set precedent on these type of cases. thats why DOC wanted it hush hush.
I got into an argument with a DOC supervisor on the subject of medical marijuana. Hell, she didnt even know it was legal for medical in our state.
Theres a great disconnect when a supervisor for DOC, a STATE agency, has no clues on how medical marijuana laws work, especially when their jobs are to be probation (law enforcement) officers upholding STATE laws.

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

Thats good news. Now the next step is to allow prisoners the right to get there meds. I believe they actually should prescribe MJ for any inmate that wants it. It would help calm the prison population down.

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I agree..as long as the inmate is being incarcerated for a non violent crime. Being in jail should not stop medical care.

I also had the same issue with doc in 2001 until the prosecutor brought me before the judge on a violation. The judges name is fritzler, he has since been exiled and removed as a judge for playing around with his staff girls.

But, he told the prosecutor to shut the fuck up and leave me alone because I had my authorization from leveque and he had no issues with me engaging in MMJ(truth is the judge has the same medical condition I have and made it clear he did.) It was funny to have my P.O. talk shit too me every time I went to see him, I just said to him do we need to go see the judge about this issue? He shut up every time.

Now the doc has conditions set down which state a Dr. must file a document and provide a copy of the study which shows why the Dr. authorized your use. This can be found on the cdc website, pam has done a great job working on this too shut it down from what I have read.

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Originally Posted by Lemonhoko

I agree..as long as the inmate is being incarcerated for a non violent crime. Being in jail should not stop medical care.

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If the jails allowed us to medicate they would loose their federal funding, regardless of it being a medical treatment or not.I spent 18 months in the county jail and had a script for marinol also. I filed grievences like they was toliet paper, one after the other about being denied medical treatment( I was told by jail staff I was the bitch kite queen)lmao.

The answers all came back FEDERAL LAW spin crap. Even though it is a schedule 3 so it can be prescribed in jail. Needless to say I finally filed a federal suit, they tossed me out of jail on their own. Never did finish the suit though, I WAS FINALLY FREE...:thumbsup:

There's no doubt its a rigged system. What we need to do though is to not worry about the feds. They have no legal jurisdiction in the state unless the governor gives them the right. We just need a governor who's had enough of federal intrusion and orders them out via the 10th Amendment. I know its a pipe dream.lol

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Originally Posted by killerweed420

There's no doubt its a rigged system. What we need to do though is to not worry about the feds. They have no legal jurisdiction in the state unless the governor gives them the right. We just need a governor who's had enough of federal intrusion and orders them out via the 10th Amendment. I know its a pipe dream.lol

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When your locked up and make claims of civil rights violations such as medical issues the federal law sets the minimum guidelines for detainees and convicted prisoners. So one must worry about federal law i.e. case law on deliberate indifference and cruel and unusual punishment when denied medical treatment for pain unrelieved by accepted standards.

Wa. state system is set up for federal intervention via contracts and grants. That's whats in our pipes giving us bad dreams.lol