Global Warming Conspiracy

What has this past 3 days taught us? That not all conspiracy theories are crazy. Turns out the global warming thing was a scam from the start.

If any of you don't know what i"m talking about, read some news. The scientists heading up the entire push for global warming had their emails hacked and have proof now that they all were coordinating their efforts to lie and misrepresent the data.
5 of Australia's top government officials have resigned over it and the global warming nut jobs are trying to spin it to look like the emails didn't really say what they said.

Conspiracy caught red handed.

Yep But you don't see much in the liberal media about it do you? The lies will continue.

This, along with many other "caught red handed" stories never hit American mainstream News. It's really disgusting, i mean really really disgusting considering the crap they put in the news, and then leave out all the breaking news that would certainly make people pissed. Thank god for the internet though, at least we can try and find out for ourselves if no one is going to report such important news. I fucking hate the ways shit works in the place.

"Thank god for the internet though, at least we can try and find out for ourselves if no one is going to report such important news"

For a while till they get that all under control too.

Yeah, and the photos of diminishing ice sheets have been faked too by the scientists. JHC, people really believe the BS put out by the right-wing propaganda machine. Now Cheney lying about the 9/11 time line is one story you can really believe as true. Teabaggers!!!!! :S2:

Ya ice sheets diminish, so what. It has done so since the beginning of time and will until the end of the planet. Ever heard of an ice age? Why did the ice retreat??? I don't think there were any evil SUV's at that time to cause all the ice retreating. Use some common sense. The earths climate ebs and flows and we have little of nothing to do with any of it.
In localized ecosystems we can affect, but not the whole of it.

Hell, we can't ever predict the weather accurately next week. Why would you trust anyone saying they can predict the entire planets future. hahaha. what a joke.

So many lies on bothsides. We don't have the science yet to decide whether the temps are really increasing and if they are what caused it. Still nothing wrong with trying to go green as long as you don't tank the economy even worse than what it is now.
You can start by quit observing pagan holidays like Christmas and quit buying people worthless shit thata they don't need.

I've gone green as a matter of economics. If the greenies would focus on the one thing we all have in common they would get a lot farther with their cause. They try to make it a religious or political thing. They need to make it a financial thing, we all have wallets regardless of our political leanings.

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

In localized ecosystems we can affect, but not the whole of it.

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false.

I really don't understand why some people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around the human effects on the earth. How could the climate stay the same when when a species (like no other ever on this planet) burns resources (that were very rarely introduced in the atmosphere before the industrial revolution), cuts down the lungs of the earth (logging and all other forms of deforestation around the globe on an erroneous scale) taking away the only natural way to recycle these very chemicals back out of the atmosphere, and eradicates other species that occupy very delicate niches in ecosystems all around the earth, which in itself can offset local habitats. all this and you believe people can just go about living carelessly as we do now and expect the planet to remain unchanged forever??

--- and maybe I'm missing something, but what would be the goal of this "conspiracy theory" ---

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Originally Posted by TC42o

I really don't understand why some people have such a hard time wrapping their minds around the human effects on the earth. How could the climate stay the same when when a species (like no other ever on this planet) burns resources (that were very rarely introduced in the atmosphere before the industrial revolution), cuts down the lungs of the earth (logging and all other forms of deforestation around the globe on an erroneous scale) taking away the only natural way to recycle these very chemicals back out of the atmosphere, and eradicates other species that occupy very delicate niches in ecosystems all around the earth, which in itself can offset local habitats. all this and you believe people can just go about living carelessly as we do now and expect the planet to remain unchanged forever??

--- and maybe I'm missing something, but what would be the goal of this "conspiracy theory" ---

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Nothing hard to understand about it.

Everything on this planet is a product or byproduct of this planet. It's not as if some alien source came in an introduced something that was foreign to this planet to destroy it. We can do whatever we want and the earth wont give a flying fuck. We can destroy it in localized area's for us though.
THE PLANET IS NOT A SENTIENT BEING!! It doesn't care what we do to it. Have you ever traveled 50 miles east of LA or a terribly polluted city like Saigon Vietnam? A simple 50 miles out and you can see no effect of those area's let alone ANY human activity at all. We're arrogant enough to think we can affect that which created us. How fucking arrogant is that?

And to answer your question. The goal of the conspiracy is $$$$$ Ever notice how every single thing they propose has no immediate effect and it's all from second or third world nations? They want to tax the wealthy nation so they can get the cash. Follow the money and listen to the people that are proposing the changes. Why Al Gore is the founder of carbon credits? Hmm he's profiting from this scam. Follow the money.

(naive to the ways of the real world I see).

Oh and I almost forgot the biggest "Duh" of it all.

1. They say we need to reduce our C02 levels.
2. Any grower does what? Increased the Co2 in their room for what reason? More growth
3. Plants consume what?? C02
4. Plants as a byproduct of eating Co2 emit what? OXYGEN
5. The current Co2 levels for the planet according to C02now.org are averaging 384ppm.
6. We do what in our grow rooms? Increase that to 1500ppm - 1800ppm

Last I checked, Oxygen is vital to every living creature on this planet.

Now is there something there I don't understand? Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

Nothing hard to understand about it.
Have you ever traveled 50 miles east of LA or a terribly polluted city like Saigon Vietnam? A simple 50 miles out and you can see no effect of those area's let alone ANY human activity at all. We're arrogant enough to think we can affect that which created us. How fucking arrogant is that?

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you must have never been 50 miles from l.a. or if you have you're so used to filth in the air that you think you can actually see. not only can you see california's pollution from 50 miles away, you can see it in arizona, nevada and utah.

the al gore global warming people are certainly about making money. but humans have the ability to fuck themselves quite nicely by destroying the environment that houses them. the proof is all around us. the pharmaceuticals and waste in the ground water, changes in albedo through construction/agriculture/deforestation, exotic plant and animal species introduced by man, heavy metals introduced at the source of a watershed and carried for thousands of miles downstream and thousands of other examples.

Sure....there have been some shitty things that have come from pollution....no doubt....and we should work to right those wrongs when and where we can.

Al Gore and All the other Alarmists who profitted from this hysteria should be put on trial.

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

Sure....there have been some shitty things that have come from pollution....no doubt....and we should work to right those wrongs when and where we can.

Al Gore and All the other Alarmists who profitted from this hysteria should be put on trial.

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i have no problem with that.

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Originally Posted by terjeSSS

you must have never been 50 miles from l.a. or if you have you're so used to filth in the air that you think you can actually see. not only can you see california's pollution from 50 miles away, you can see it in arizona, nevada and utah.

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I lived in LA for a very long period of time. Yes I've been around and know what I'm talking about. Last time I was in Mojave, I don't recall seeing anything remotely resembling LA or anything associated with it.

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Originally Posted by terjeSSS

the proof is all around us. the pharmaceuticals and waste in the ground water, changes in albedo through construction/agriculture/deforestation, exotic plant and animal species introduced by man, heavy metals introduced at the source of a watershed and carried for thousands of miles downstream and thousands of other examples.

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Last I took a drink of water it was pure and tasty. Last I recall evaporation is natures distillery, of which I also have a great deal of history with. Elements cycle, it's the natural way of things. Mater of fact. EVERYTHING that cycles in this circle of life came from where? Umm could it be, the earth? So how can the earth pollute the earth?

1. we are a product of the earth
2. the things we use are products of the earth
3. the byproducts of the products used by us, which are also of the earths produce what? More earth products. And correct me if I'm wrong, but everything in this scenario is from where? Mars? Venus? The Andromeda galaxy? I'm pretty sure the answer is earth.

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Originally Posted by Islandborn

Sure....there have been some shitty things that have come from pollution....no doubt....and we should work to right those wrongs when and where we can.

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Agreed. This hysteria of a global crisis is what I'm talking about. Nobody wants dirty air or water. Nobody wants to see a species die out on our account. I'm not talking about common sense solutions to obvious problems. It's the lunatics that think we're somehow invaders upon the earth bent on destroying it. In all our arrogance, we think we are powerful, but yet we can't even stop a tornado or move a storm cloud or predict an earth quake. We are still discovering new species all the time. And we claim to have the knowledge to predict a global scenario? We don't even have all the variables let alone the figures to fill the variables. The arrogance is sickening.

(deepest regrets for the programming reference, the engineer in me couldn't help it) :)

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

I lived in LA for a very long period of time. Yes I've been around and know what I'm talking about. Last time I was in Mojave, I don't recall seeing anything remotely resembling LA or anything associated with it.



Last I took a drink of water it was pure and tasty. Last I recall evaporation is natures distillery, of which I also have a great deal of history with. Elements cycle, it's the natural way of things. Mater of fact. EVERYTHING that cycles in this circle of life came from where? Umm could it be, the earth? So how can the earth pollute the earth?

1. we are a product of the earth
2. the things we use are products of the earth
3. the byproducts of the products used by us, which are also of the earths produce what? More earth products. And correct me if I'm wrong, but everything in this scenario is from where? Mars? Venus? The Andromeda galaxy? I'm pretty sure the answer is earth.

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you've been in l.a. too long. i've been all over the west. the air in the mojave looks like pea soup compared to the view out my window.

also, not everything of the earth is good for you. secondly, evaporation is NOT how the earth purifies water. that would be the job of the soil. which by the way, does not filter out everything.

you seem a bit confused on how the earth works.

Actually my perspective is more global. I've lived all over the world, Vietnam, South Africa. China, all over the US varying areas of the Middle East. I've been in area's that make LA look like an eco-paradise. The result is the same and is what I have been saying. The immediate location is very affected by masses of humanity. The surrounding locales are hardly even touched.
The argument has never been if all things in and of the earth are good for you. What kills one species doesn't kill another. The argument is weather an obviously ignorant species has the knowledge to properly determine the effects of it's own existence.

I say we don't even have the most basic understandings of the world we live in to be running around screaming that the sky is falling let alone determine that it's humans doing it or the varying level of solar activity.

But then, it's not my point to argue I was simply trying to point out that we're arrogant and ignorant and believing the voices of those that stand to profit from what they are saying is not at all intelligent.

60 degrees in Philadelphia the end of November in 09. When I was a kid the beginning of December was ice skating weather and it lasted until late February, early March. To me that shows global warming. Debate all you want, but the Mid-Atlantic states are getting warming during the winter. Short term??? I doubt it. Sell your beach front property to the naysayers. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

Oh and I almost forgot the biggest "Duh" of it all.

1. They say we need to reduce our C02 levels.
2. Any grower does what? Increased the Co2 in their room for what reason? More growth
3. Plants consume what?? C02
4. Plants as a byproduct of eating Co2 emit what? OXYGEN
5. The current Co2 levels for the planet according to C02now.org are averaging 384ppm.
6. We do what in our grow rooms? Increase that to 1500ppm - 1800ppm

Last I checked, Oxygen is vital to every living creature on this planet.

Now is there something there I don't understand? Am I missing something?

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hmm, this might make sense if we weren't cutting down the very forests that consume these massive amounts c02 (avg for the planet used to be closer to 250 ppm max!) , the increase has steadily gone up over the last 150 years (industrial revolution), its not just the emissions, its a combination of horrible miscalculations in resource use --- now, if we had fields and fields of hemp growing annually that could use these c02 levels (cannabis grows at a much higher rate than most plants) that could replace some of our deforestation down at the same time, this would be a much different story.


---interesting side note, I woke up today to THE FIRST SNOW OF THE YEAR...... not so surprising unless you consider I live in MONTANA, where in the last 20 years we have gone from 3+ feet from mid October to early April, to now we maybe lucky to get snow from December to February and very rarely get more than a foot

Taking individual temps in various locations isn't the way to determine global warming. And if the earth is warming enough to stop snow, that would be more than a simple degree or two of change. These are localized events. Just as here in my state, we had the coldest winter we ever had last year and this year it's following the same. Is that enough to say we're actually cooling? No, it's just as stupid to say that as it is to say we're warming because a winter here or there has been delayed. It's called an Indian Summer and we've had them since earth has had a climate.

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Originally Posted by gypski

60 degrees in Philadelphia the end of November in 09. When I was a kid the beginning of December was ice skating weather and it lasted until late February, early March. To me that shows global warming. Debate all you want, but the Mid-Atlantic states are getting warming during the winter. Short term??? I doubt it. Sell your beach front property to the naysayers. :jointsmile:

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hell man, I remember huge ass snow storms before Halloween ever hit, then couple years back I am doing the dishes on new years day looking out the kitchen window at the green leaves on the trees thinkn.. hmm something wrong here. Not saying shit about global warming, just saying, I remember when it used to snow instead of rain during the winter

LoL RoundEye, funny how you ignore the c02 argument now...

but I don't want to argue either, I don't pretend to know exactly whats going on and it would be rediculous to assume some individuals aren't going to try to make money off of an entire generation moving towards sustainable energy, but it is just plain ignorant to assume that we are not damaging this planet as a whole. If the only thing we were doing was polluting on a massive scale, maybe that wouldn't be enough to change it all, but the fact is people are EVERYWHERE, in every inhabitable space, and they completely change the landscape and the biochemistry of every environment, WE ARE NOT A "LOCALIZED SPECIES".

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Originally Posted by gypski

60 degrees in Philadelphia the end of November in 09. When I was a kid the beginning of December was ice skating weather and it lasted until late February, early March. To me that shows global warming. Debate all you want, but the Mid-Atlantic states are getting warming during the winter. Short term??? I doubt it. Sell your beach front property to the naysayers. :jointsmile:

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A true Believer right here.........keep drinking that kool-aide....it's good for you I promise;)

I wasn't ignoring the co2 argument TC42o, I think it's rather idiotic to think that the level we're deforesting can have any real effect, especially since forest corporations are required to replant every location they cut out.

Oh btw, North Texas just got dumped on with snow. Does that mean we're in a cooling trend now?
North Texas Wakes to Big Snowflakes | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

^LOL. Im trying to really think if it is real or not, i mean it could just be made up. It's just how earth changes cycles and we're probably in the beginning of the end. It is history in the books of how earth had ice age's and new york was once 3 miles under ice or something like that. (source: history channel). Either way im sure it is not good at least in major cities. They should color the smog out of every car and see how much sticks around.:jointsmile:

most people think the way you do cannamanibus,
It's all about common sense, not hysteria from the mouths of people that actually stand to profit from their dire warnings.

Don't forget, Al Gore is started the company that collects money for Carbon Credits. Sounds a little fishy don't ya think? When a used car salesman gives you advise on a car, be well advised to have a shop look at it. :D

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Originally Posted by RoundEye

5 of Australia's top government officials have resigned over it

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Please don't misrepresent Australian politics to support your conspiracy theories.

Tony Abbott, Sophie Mirabella, Tony Smith and Senators Nick Minchin and Eric Abetz are not "top government officials", they are not even members of the party that currently forms the federal government.

They are members of the opposition and their threats to resign from the shadow ministry had more to do with an internal struggle for leadership of the Liberal/National coalition than it did the details of the government's proposed Emissions Trading Scheme.

As a result, in the last few days Australia's "flat earthers" have taken control of the opposition party by forcing a leadership spill that replaced Malcolm Turnbill with Tony Abbott (aka the mad monk) as leader of the opposition by a single vote.

Leading commentators on Australian federal politics expect this move will keep the Liberal/National coalition firmly in opposition for at least the next decade.

watching the mainstream medias coverage of climategate in europe is intresting..sky news has hardly touched it since the emails were leaked two weeks ago..its only just appeared on the front cover of the daily express in england and ireland.. its obvious the main stream is hushing this up..none of my friends have even heard about it( or even care)... it looks like were heading into a new age where governments can fool people openly and they will accept it.

they are just creating problems to try solve them....

what ever happened to the hole in the ozone layer,havnt heard that one in a while..

global warming/climate change? wtf the world is getting colder over the last 9 years.....i could have told them that.. our summer sunshine only last two weeks and its pissing rain all winter...

fuck them all, the only way to not go along with these people is to disengage from there world..

stop paying taxes
stop watching t.v
stop buying there shit
and grow some vegetables
thats my dream:rastasmoke:

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Originally Posted by fourkicks

what ever happened to the hole in the ozone layer,havnt heard that one in a while..

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It's still there, slowly drifting northwards... currently burning the fuk out of south eastern Australia.

The last ice age was like 20,000 years ago when the ice was retreating. So what if the ice is retreating now days. It has been for thousands of years. And guess what, it'll come back and level the north again and then retreat again.

I wonder if 200,000 years ago in the second to the last ice age, the idiots were complaining about all the cave fires disturbing the ice sheets, and how all the volcano's were disrupting the natural order of things as the ice retreated. Geeesh.

Hiroshima, Nagasaki were supposed to be uninhabitable for 100,000 years. Turns out those were all lies too as I spent a few years living in Nagasaki back in the 90's.

BTW,, has anyone seen Mount St. Helens lately? More emissions into the air than the whole of the US. Geee, it's a lush landscape right now.


Pathetic hysteria freaks.

The earth will survive.

From PBS.ORG, hardly a right wing organization....

"Mt St. Helens. The eruption also sent more than 540 million tons of volcanic ash raining down over 22,000 square miles, covering Montana, South Dakota, and Nebraska, and sending ash drifting as far away as Virginia. From space, the eruption initially took the shape of a giant mushroom cloud, signifying a blast 400 times more powerful than the atomic bomb that leveled Hiroshima.
life quickly returned to the scorched earth near Mount Saint Helens. The rapid regeneration surprised most scientists, who believed that the rebirth would occur in steady, regular stages. Instead, nature ran riot, led by dozens of organisms that had amazingly survived the devastation. Moles, tiny pocket gophers, and ants survived because they were buried when the explosion occured. And saplings and shurbs buried in the snow survived, while the taller trees were devastated.
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We can't outdo nature no matter how snobbish and arrogant we are. Leftists have a intellectual complex that makes them think we can actually affect the world more than the worlds ability to deal with us as organisms of the earth. Get over yourself lefty loonies.

Thank god for global warming, otherwise the 10 degrees F outside right now could have been worse than it's normal temp of around 38F. And the earlier than normal winter blast that just put into effect a "state of emergency" in the midwest could have been so much worse.

I imagine that the lunatics will ignore these facts though as they don't fall into their model/doctrine.

No need to try to save the Earth. Mother Nature will do that on Her own.
The Earth will one day shake the human race off Her back as a dog shakes off water.
And then the process of life on this planet will start again...As I believe it has many times before.