The Boundary between human-made and natural...

Here is a head scratcher for you all, especially if you are being enlightened by the good herbstock. So I sit here thinking, after reading what I think is total BS about beer being human-made. I was thinking that it is hard to make a distinction between humans and nature. Aren't we all a part of Mother Earth? Aren't we all natural? Our skin is made up of various proteins, fats, etc. of which have all been assembled by natural process from natural substances. Also, aren't the ingredients for beer (hops, barely both of which are plants that grow in this good earth) natural. The drink itself I feel is natural, but maybe not the concept of beer (one which took a human to devise). I think all substances on Earth are natural because there is no possible way of creating or destroying matter. All there is is a transfer of types of matter or matter into energy (Law of conservation of matter and law of conservation of energy, very basic physical principles in the universe). What are your thoughts on this brain tickler?

:) finaly someone who sees it like i do,also dont you just hate it when people say they're staying all natural when doing drugs aren't they all all natural in the end?

actually lets make a distinction. all is not "natural". different "natural" components gathered together changes the substances. i doubt u could find ajax in the nature. yes, it all come from natural elements, but i dont think the chemical components it makes are natural.

but here is something very interesting i found in a book. here is what we are made of, talking about our hole body, etc...

71% water
18% carbon
4% azote
2% phosphore
1% potassium
0.5% sodium

and few more substances. sorry for spelling dont know all the correct english words and too lazy to check dictionnary lol. anyway i found that fact cool, especially when we can notice that all those substance gathered together extrmely complex, make someone live, with a heart pounding. isnt life magical, beautiful?

I agree with both of you. I stick to herbstock only. I won't put no synthesized shit in my body (unless I went out into the Peruvian desert, found some Trichocereus peruvians and boiled down the Mescaline myself. I wouldn't buy that shit off the street. But, for example, the ajax, (in my opinion, of course) is a concept. We name that substance. It is just that nature may not (whos to say that it might not be produced natural...) assemble these compounds in this way. It is outside of a sort of natural range of varibility, which is a red flag for some folks. Just some thoughts. Keep 'em coming, I like to know what people think and learn from them. Nice facts by the way mellow!

all the elements we are made of and we use everyday came from stars. so we are all the same if you think about it.

Show me a butterfinger tree and i'll agree!

What's a butterfinger made of? Where do they get the ingredients, man!!! Although, it would be cool to see some. It's latin name would be Butterii fingerensis...

i see where your coming from man, like everything has its natural roots no matter how commercialized or wrapped in plastic it is, its ingrediants, or the ingrediants of those ingrediants, all come from earth.

It is just the concept of the mixture of substances that is artificial. Now, the effects of different substances mixed together are pretty haggard. Like most toxic chemicals. But, they were all natural and still are. Just the concept is artificial. That is how I feel...

Yeah, but everyone just makes the distinction anyway because they'd rather trust a nature they know little about than their own fellow man, who they know pretty damn well.

electroincs have no root's but a plug giving it life can be pulled out easily, where as a tree has deep root's and will be around for along time. thats the difference between real and unreal man made and nature.

I agree with mellowmood.

The irony in all this is we take aspirin, which occurs naturally, tribal people in south America would suck on the bark. Obviously we aren't sucking on barks, were taking a synthesized version of aspirin. Human made isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's pure adulterated chemical, without the bullshit isn't that better?

However the problem with man-made drugs, due to the black market can be easily tainted. It's depends on the uniqueness of the chemical reactions that occur when we use something, whether it's smoking marijuana, snorting meth, taking an RC such as 2c-e, datura, etc etc. All that matters is the effects it produces.

the difference between natural and artificial is a symantic argument at best-oxygen is the most natural of substances right? its everywhere it occurs in almost every environment on this planet, its necessary for our survival, etc-but until green algae developed evolutionarilly there was no such thing as oxygen-only nitrogen and carbon dioxide-so what im saying is oxygen was made "artificially" by green plants, the same way beer is made "artificially" by humans-our conciousness is just a catalyst for advancing nature
and for people who say that anything "not made by man" is inherrantly better or safer than anything "made by man" i say this-if i go harvest the posion ivy that grows in my back yard, dry it, cure it, chop it up, roll it in a spliff, light one end, and stick the other end in your mouth, are you going to inhale?