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Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists - Taking Liberties - CBS News
I have lived as an adult now under the 2 seperate parties here in America. With out a shadow of doubt it is the Democrats who are the TRUE big- brotheresque party. How much gas we use, how much trash we make, how warm we keep our house, what dr we use and what we pay, what food we can eat and where, its fuckin madness.
Something major is going to happen soon, just dont know what yet.
:wtf:These is very scarey
They were looking for some enviromentalist whacko who had posted threats against the building of an interstate.
Not sure how I feel about it..........
makes me grateful to be getting older, and closer to death :D ... good luck, kids :D
And these are the same people that screamed bloody murder when the Bush admin put eaves dropping policies in place for people that were suspected of terrorism.
Where are their screams now?!?
As we have seen here lately. There is no difference between the 2 major parties. Both want to violate your civil rights. Its time to quit voting these idiots in and try a new party. Any new party would be better than the 2 we have now.
My family makes statements by how and where we spend our money. Like for example the company GE........under no circumstances do we buy anything made by them because of their shifty buisness dealings with Iran. Nothing, which is difficult cause they make everything.
We also wont be filling out the census next year besides how many occupants live in my home. Anything else is nobody's buisness.
If I'm not mistaken, it's even unconstitutional to require anyone divulge more than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
It is all great we don't trust the government or believe things just because someone stated them.
But honestly, do some research, this isn't Fox News.
CBS News is reporting that the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day. U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis, issued subpoenas to Indymedia.us demanding information that included e-mail and IP addresses, Social Security numbers, bank account numbers, etc. There was also a demand that Indymedia not disclose to anyone that they had received the subpoenas.
This was an unprecedented affront to both freedom of the press and the right to privacy for citizens who happened to visit a particular web site. Indymedia sought advice from the Electronic Frontier Foundation who succeeded in getting the subpoenas withdrawn. However, many questions remain. There was never any disclosure as to the criminal case that was being investigated by Justice Department. The subpoenas themselves were improper, as was the gag order, but no one in the Justice Department is commenting on that.
An amusing side note to this is that rightist media groups are framing this as an abuse of power by the Obama administration. Although this is just now coming to light, they fail to note that the investigation began during the Bush administration, months before the election in 2008. The date specified in the subpoena for the information they were seeking was June 25, 2008. The subpoena itself was issued on January 22, 2009, just two days after Obama was inaugurated. Obviously the investigation had to precede the issuance of subpoenas.
As further evidence of Obamaâ??s culpability, it was noted that subpoenas to the media have to be approved by the Attorney General. The right-wing leaped on this factoid to accuse Obamaâ??s AG, Eric Holder, of complicity in this outrageous act. Unfortunately for that theory, Holder was not confirmed to the position until February 2, 2009, after the subpoenas had already been sent.
So the whole affair was conducted by the Bush Department of Justice, with a Bush-appointed U.S. Attorney (Morrison), and an acting AG who was also left over from Bushâ??s administration. This is typical of the Bush regimeâ??s disrespect for freedom of the press. And the response from the right is typical of their embrace of disinformation and propaganda.
Behavior like this by officials in law enforcement is unconscionable, and should not be tolerated by any administration. It appears that the Obama administration did the right thing when it was brought to their attention by withdrawing the subpoenas, but they need to go further and reveal the nature of the investigation that led to this action, and the role of Bush officials in the affair. And it would also be nice if they would make a statement disapproving of such behavior and declaring it outside the policy of this administration.
News Corpse » Bush Justice Department Harrassed Indymedia
It is just Bush still acting up :)
Lol, ain't that the truth brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
Indeed. Shits gonna suck for my generation, I don't want to have to go through another depression or even worse, have the country turn into a police-state just because the people that are in charge now are fucked up in the head and can't see past their wallets to see that they are fucking shit up. I'm not just talking economy, I'm talking environment, social standards; look at all the younger children that are just down right ignorant of how shit goes down and what they should and shouldn't do and for reasons. They learned that they should do stuff because they get rewarded, I can see it in my cousins and they are only 9 years younger. All they know if that if they are difficult and get attention, if they stop, they get more attention it's fucked. And you know where they get this, the fucking TV, the media, the fucking Hana Mon-fucking-tana bullshit scene that's all over Disney; FUCKING DISNEY, have you seen this shit lately, why is making out and hooking up a fucking DISNEY story line now? What the fuck happened to like Aladin and shit that actually had at least a good moral behind the shit. And even before I have kids its still gonna suck, because this economy isn't gonna just grab it's shit and fix it, it's gonna take time, and I really don't feel like having to worry about finding a job even when I have my Masters in Architecture. I'm just pissed that my generation, the up and coming, can't do anything right now because of the people that are in charge now. I can keep on rambling about this all day, but I want another bong hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
FUCK TITS COCK ASS!
-C
Yeah, that was I was thinking, IB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
okay, guess I'll play devil's advocate here. :stoned: if some whacko is posting stupid sh*t on the internets (e.g., talking about committing a serious crime and/or a violent act, etc.), wouldn't we want the DOJ to track them down and keep an eye on them? Isn't that their job? :)
I Agree with that point to a certain degree , anything to keep us safe from potentaily dangrous situations is always +.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
Will it stop there? I somehow doubt it......whats next political sites and online banking? Oops, if the Obamacare passes, anyone dumb enough to volunteer for this will have their bankaccounts connected directly to the Fed who can change rates and prices and remove it directly from your account no quesons asked.
^ yeah, I've always tried to be real cautious (perhaps parnoid :D ) about posting stuff on the internet or talking about weed or something over the phone or anything like that. I know they aren't likely listening in or anything but with phones being all digitital now it would be very easy to archive this stuff electronically and then create data mining algorithms. all of our international phone calls already go thru one switch that is archived and electronically monitored.
I wouldn't be surprised if internet traffic is similarly monitored. Maybe they needed the physical data logs for court evidence or something.
But back on topic, yeah the dems are f'n fascist, man. we tried to warn y'all. :jointsmile:
Any incumbant and that means my represenative whom I agree with on most issues should be voted out. Clean the slate, hit the reset button. No one can live in the cesspool called Washington DC without getting stink on himself.
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^ yes, sounds good to me, too. just til 'em all in and replant a whole new crop. :D :stoned: