When Pot was truly Pot, and now it's not !

Ok, after a twenty year plus absence of smoke (we used to call it) and now back on the scene, Why the hell does all the various name calling and overhype make it appear that 90% or more of what people are growing or smoking is pretty much all the same stuff. Yes I've been properly intraduced to various forms of the new bud genomes, and smoked a few buds of unknown orgin. Truth be told though, not impressed with any of it. Even the Kush, or Haze, Rhino etc...blah,blah,blah. Absolutly, no different then any of the smoke we toked back in the seventies. In fact I'd say it gone down hill a bit since. The names, lets face it, are "meaningless". Report after report, science, legend,and bullshit pretty much confirms what seems to be a great mind play. Positive thinking does have it disciples. As I am a Jesus freak myself, I think I'd I'd say good for you. I mean hey if you want to believe it's great and it truly works for you, may the force be with you in you indivers. But for those of us who I'd like to believe we have our feet on a little more solid ground, how about a little more practicality on our part and some honesty from the others. Of course in his name, and at this time I know,the hammer has hit the nail. Bitch all you like, but those of you with some wizdom, will you take a moment to reflect. Let's see if I'm man enough to admit if'n I've made a mistake here. Or if money, and bullshit has suceeded ?

I started in the 60's and I'd say the potency has definitely increased. But your right about the strains. everybody and there brother supposedly comes up with a new strain. Very little difference between any of them. It still just breaks down to indica dominant or sativa dominant. Some look a little prettier than others but thats about it.

id say there is MORE potent pot now then there was in the 70's. 'More potent' meaning
A) higher thc content
B) just plain MORE dank nugs

And it must have got you fucked up cause you forgot how paragraphs work and you just rambled on about some shit at the end...

:)...http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-...-much-thc.html

souds like a drunk texas ranger mad at the world cause he cant smoke anymore because of his poor career choice:D

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Originally Posted by Rangerbob

The names, lets face it, are "meaningless". ?

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To some of us the names are more than a marketing ploy. They are a way for us to keep straight the breeding that was started in the 60's and 70's.

If a friend gives me a clone of White Widow, I can look for information about that strain, and I can look for other people who have experience growing it. Can't really say you could do that back in the day.

I would hypothesize that 90% of the strains we are smoking today came from your weed back then. If that is true, then does that mean that all the breeding and selection that has been done since has isolated worse plants than you smoked back then?

Humbly, I don't think so.

If you are smoking what you are smoking because of a name, I feel bad for you. The name is just there so if you find something you like, you know what to ask for again.

My intention isn't an argument, but this isn't the first time someone has said that weed has gotten worse over the years. But all the reports I read, scientific or otherwise, indicate that marijuana is significantly stronger on the whole than it was years ago.

Just one growers opinions...

Even in the 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s, etc. all the way back to the dawn of time - there have been extremely potent varieties (strains) of cannabis.

I would say many of the exotic and "pretty" species were lost due to governments ploy to strangle any sense of enlightenment - but some are preserved by the smart grower.

All in all, potency is always relative to the bud you are smoking - so in essence, potency has not changed; the amount of buds that ARE potent has increased. It was always there, just not so signficantly to the average toker.

My2c

I disagree that it all tastes the same. I guess it depends on how sensitive your palate is, but I can definitely tell differences in flavor. I'm enjoying Sage lately, and it does taste like its namesake. It's funny though about the whole taste test thing. I've seen shows where someone goes out back with a garden hose and fills a bunch of water bottles and hands them out, saying it's Italian spring water or some BS, and everyone just moons over the stuff like it's the best water ever! I've seen the same thing with yogurt, where they'll just squirt a little chocolate syrup in it, and tell you it's strawberry, and the people are totally convinced they're eating strawberry yogurt. I guess it depends on the individual, but to some folks, it probably does all taste the same.

You must be smoking some bammer! ;)

A word from DJ Short

"Ask any old-time herbalist, one who has been experiencing fine herb since at least the early 1970's, what their favorite all-time herbal variety was, and the answer will be something to the effect of; â??Santa Marta or Acapulco Goldâ?� or â??Highland or Chocolate Thaiâ?� or â??Punta Roya (red-tipped gold Highland Oaxacan)â?� or â??Guerran Greenâ?� or â??Panama Redâ?� etc. et. al., all of which were equatorial, or sub-tropical, origin sativa and hermaphroditic. "-DJ short (Cataloguing System Article)

There is your difference, Indica is the new thing.

I'm so 'old-school' I remember when everything on the street was sativas :thumbsup: ... and, how I cussed the introduction of hashplants (indica), that was hybridized with my sativas, to add weight, and speed harvest ... it was all about money, not quality :wtf: ... nowadays, though, the pendulum has swung back, and is catching up ... I hope so, anyway ... QUALITY seems to be more sought-after, so I think our finest smoke, is the 'modern' smoke (but, not by much, and only the best out there) ... just my :twocents:

There is a big difference between strains....I would create perhaps 20 distinct categories that I could put 1000s of different strains in. They all get you high some more than others but aroma and taste are great in variety...the spice of life. I wasn't alive in the 70s but I would say most of what i grew has been incredible in potency and variety

Well now, looks like the ole reverse psychology has paid off. If'n I plant a few seeds here and there and then be sprinkled with a little knowledge from folks like you, who actually care. Then maaabey I can learn from my mistakes and continue to put up with the young sweet bitches of ignorant kids who, may be witty in their own streetwise way; if not, but lacking in understanding that will hopefully come to them in time! As I didn't have the patience of a rattlesnake in my youth, perhaps now I will have the patience to listen to those who "young or old" have their neighbor's best interest in mind.

P.S. for what it's worth I'm not any kind of authority figure, just a retired Park Ranger, with a niche for getting high; besides, as I burn up more energy than my age can muster, I really like the munchies side of this unique equation.
THANKS AGAIN for all your kind responses .........BB

I was not alive in 70s. I have always thought that myriad of strains is beautiful its like almost choosing varieties of beer haha. granted, stupid people come up this strain such as SuperDaDa or KissMyAss (im just making it up) for avarice purpose which is true however every smoke is distinct that is why connoisseurs and growers alike (thats yall and me) exist. i believe we should embrace the beauty of MJ and its properties.

meh, I like having a variety to choose from. Maybe you haven't smoked enough to actually tell the difference, but i know i can. Now is it overpriced because of the name? fuck yeah it is. It does suck that average price for an 8th of good bud is 50 bucks, but thats just how it is. Hopefully when its legalized we will see a big price drop.

I had some mind blowing Jamaican "commercial pot" in the 70's that I never had again and none of these tutti fruitti stains come close.

Is it crazy to think that maybe all you old timers need to take a hiatus for a minute, and then come back to smoking? I'm sure 30 years does wonders for the tolerance, it would be no wonder that you don't get high "like you used to".

It isn't the pot that's not good, it's your resinated lungs and your 30+ year tolerance.

Scientists do GCMS testing on samples of marijuana and frequently find that THC % has gone up, and continues to do so. The only valid explanation would be that some of that old school land race weed was much higher in CBD or CBN or some other cannabinoid that works in conjunction with THC in your brain making you remember a different kind of buzz.

Maybe the lack of science back then caused people to keep strains alive because of the subjective views of those who smoked them, not because someone or some machine told them it was good? I dunno, I just think this debate is as old as smoking itself.

Most of the old schoolers that I smoke with really enjoy the homegrown that I share with them, and they all say that they have never seen or tasted anything like it, so I guess for now that'll have to be good enough for me.

I are old and I know that I can't smell subtle aromas or taste all the flavors I'm supposed to, lots of pot do taste quite the same to me. But the uniques I can still taste/smell. And as far as tollerance, I can easily get toasted on a joint or less of anything we grow around here. :jointsmile:

Seems to me 'ole DJ Short had it down. First it was just plain old Mexican weed, seeds, stems, wrapped in colored celophane and $200 a Key. Then, along came Columbian, much stronger, better taste, then Jamacian, then Panama Red. Prices hit $35.00 an oz and they were full ounces. The '70's rolled around and a lota weed was comming from 'Nam and Thailand but some was treated with heavy narcotics and not all natural. Tht seemed to start the chemical addition stage where just about anything could be sprayed on crappy weed to get more $$$$ and get you high one way or another. I'm sure some remember paraquat (sp) being sprayed by the Gubment to waste weed all over the world.
Today it would seem we are getting back to the more natural strains and although the prices are much higher so are wages and everything else. It cost me $22.00 in gas to drive from Boston to San Francisco in 1968 but I was only making $2.00 and hour then too.

Smoke what you like and like what you smoke.
Mark Twain

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Originally Posted by Rangerbob

Ok, after a twenty year plus absence of smoke (we used to call it) and now back on the scene, Why the hell does all the various name calling and overhype make it appear that 90% or more of what people are growing or smoking is pretty much all the same stuff. Yes I've been properly intraduced to various forms of the new bud genomes, and smoked a few buds of unknown orgin. Truth be told though, not impressed with any of it. Even the Kush, or Haze, Rhino etc...blah,blah,blah. Absolutly, no different then any of the smoke we toked back in the seventies. In fact I'd say it gone down hill a bit since. The names, lets face it, are "meaningless". Report after report, science, legend,and bullshit pretty much confirms what seems to be a great mind play. Positive thinking does have it disciples. As I am a Jesus freak myself, I think I'd I'd say good for you. I mean hey if you want to believe it's great and it truly works for you, may the force be with you in you indivers. But for those of us who I'd like to believe we have our feet on a little more solid ground, how about a little more practicality on our part and some honesty from the others. Of course in his name, and at this time I know,the hammer has hit the nail. Bitch all you like, but those of you with some wizdom, will you take a moment to reflect. Let's see if I'm man enough to admit if'n I've made a mistake here. Or if money, and bullshit has suceeded ?

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lol, well I've smoked killer with a lot of people that burned back in the day, and they're convinced some of this current day marijuana is the best they've ever smoked...so maybe you shouldn't be that close to mexico, and come to oklahoma or something?