Citral Grow...Starting From Day 3 until I harvest!

Hello Fellow Hydro Heads...

A little about me first. This is not my first grow. This is however, my first hydroponics grow. I have been researching this for the past 3 months before I decided to take the plunge into growing with hydroponics for my medical cannabis needs.

Seeds:

I started with an order of Citral from AmsterdamMarijaunaseeds.com

A lot of people are probably wondering why this was my choice for my grow. Well, it just makes sense. Hard to kill these plants as they are very resilient. They do not have the crazy odor you will get from most indica/sativa blends...and it has a high THC content. And, the yield is not bad either...1 pound per square meter of grow.

My grow space:

The room I am using is a handicap bathroom. It is huge and is sectioned off very well with natural walls. I converted the shower area for Veg and it is 4x6x8.

Flower room is 6x10x8...need I say any more?:hippy:

It has built in ventilation. Air-in is is courtesy the air conditioning system...bravo. Air-out is via the top of the room with two air vents on timers (1000 CFM blowers). Mind you...the room came to me this way! Yeah for me!:thumbsup:

Lighting in Veg:

I am using a T5 florescent with 4 bulbs for my veg room...

Water and nute system:

Drip hydroponics systems with 3 part nutrients. Following it to the T. I have seen this system work perfectly for thousands of people. Why mess with the tried and true.

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Now you all know what I am using, We will get to the flower room later in this thread. When we get to that point.

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Onto the questions...Opie Yuts...this will not be the first time you have given me epic advice. but, the first time you have given me advice for hydro.

I started with 20 seeds...15 popped and sprouted. 5 of them now look rather leggy, and are falling over. They look really weak in the stems. Then the rest look perfect. ALL THE SEEDLINGS HAVE NICE WHITE ROOT SYSTEMS.

Please look at my pictures and tel me if my lights are too far away from my plants. Perhaps I should still be using a hood for them?

Should I just pull the weak ones now and focus on the better plants? Your thoughts are appreciated and suggestions will all be taken into deep consideration. This grow is not just for me...It is for the benefit of all potential newcomers to this art.

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Happy Growing!

ps...this is not real. What you are reading is fiction. I am playing a role, as most things on the internet are fake. So is this. I do not break the law, nor do I advocate breaking the law. I think all people should never take schedule 1 drugs as they are dangerous and can cause horrible side effects (like the munchies).

Oh, that light should be about 10" or so above the top of the plants.
I wouldn't pull anything. That happens to me quite often that the seedlings are to spindley they can't support themselves. Take a piece of wire, or anything and give it a bit of support, not that it was to be straight up, but you what you don't want is the stem of the plant laying flat on the rockwool, that will kill it. They'll stiffen up as they get a bit older.

Plants tops are 12 inches from the light...But to be fair, the plants have been doing this since I took them out of the dark after 2 days. This is their 3rd day...First day under lights...Have been using nutes since the beginning.

I did take your advice and pull them off the rockwohl. I used zip ties...to prop them up...magical little device I tell you...Just bend it and it will hold up the plants. We shall see how those 5 plants do in the long run...Only time will tell. I am sure they will start growing, "like a weed," come the morning time.
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every thing looks like its off to a really good start, i do however have a quick question,is that a 2 x 2 trey? if so your going 2 need at least 3 more of those.also if your interested,i was making my own treys with fitting for around 7 dollers that auctually work verry competitively to real flood treys on the market plus itl save you the $50, a 2x2 your next go around. anyways everything looks great!

I got (4) 3x6 trays. I got them all for $50...yeah Craigslist!

No nutes on seedling for at least 2 weeks then 1/4 strenth.

Thanks Loc Nar...I will keep that in mind for the next round of seedlings. I flushed the system this morning. Only using Distilled water now.

I will start nutes next week.

I also made an adjustment to the system this morning. I put the plants on a higher table to be able to drop the lights a little lower. I think this will do the trick with the few of them that are leggy. The strong are really strong...the weak are "weeding" themselves out for me. I will still give them another 2 weeks to see how they do overall.

I am also going to apply a fan next week. I am currently using exhaust fans only and air intake to the bottom of the tray...Not using fans yet.

Does anyone think adding a fan would be okay...especially considering that a few of the plants are leggy?

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Happy Growing
-Martyr Projekt

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If using distilled water, you will need Cal-Mag or something to replace the calcium and magnesium in the water.

yes absolutley add the fan,the sooner the better.the swaying motion will force your little plants to get stronger.

What was done today:

- So I added a small fan today. The babies that were looking weak are perking up.:thumbsup:


The Game Plan:

- I am hopeful that of the 15 sprouted plants that 10 live and at least half are strong females for mothers. I plan on having a few citral mothers in the beginning...To make more clones. Then after a few cycles, I will throw a couple of them into flower for the sake of having a couple nice big flowered plants.

- Although I am documenting my grow of Citral for the sake of documentation, I do plan on growing 3 different strains in total. I am going to decide which strains after seeing how this one goes. Any suggestions for strains would be appreciated. Heavy THC content and a good indoor yield would be parameters in making such a recommendations.


The status report on my plants:

I do know it has only been one day since my last post...I feel it is very important to document how fast the growth is during the seedling (pre-veg) phase of growth.

So onto the plants that bent...It looks like below where those few plants bent that it looks like a root now...above it looks like a healthy stem, just with some vertical issues;)

(I posted a example picture for you to see what I am talking about).:D

Watering Schedule:

I am currently watering 3 times a day at 15 minute intervals (10am, 4pm, 12pm). I am using 1 gallon per hour drip nozzles and my pump is more than adequate. It seems to be handling the job quite well. But, I have to beg the question...am I OVERWATERING? The plants are not drooping and showing no signs of any issues (besides a couple of them being leggy).

I am going to be adding calmag tomorrow. Thank you for the heads up regarding distilled water lacking calcium and magnesium. I will address this before it becomes an issue.

I also posted a couple pictures of some of the strongest babies. Man they look tough...God I hope they are little girls. In fact, I am praying they are little girls.

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Happy Growing!

Martyr Projekt:hippy:
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come on guys...anything for me with my questions?

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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-Martyr Projekt
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So, When I woke up this morning a few of the plants were showing signs of over-watering. I cut the watering cycle to twice a day (10am & 6pm). Calmag was added this morning also. Hopefully this will devoid myself of issues surrounding the lack of magnesium and calcium in distilled water.

Any help with strain questions would be greatly appreciated.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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I have not tried citral. Interested to see what you think ?

For strains with high THC medical. I would go with papaya or Hawiian x skunk from nirvana. Those are white strains. Northern lights is good. I just tried some purple power , purple kush and white widow. They had a good crop of widow the first time but was not impressed this time. The purples were good.

I for sure will give you the 411 when I am through with the grow...From what I have heard this is a fun plant to grow...Although, it is proving to be a very difficult and tempermental seedling.

I am considering GDP, Grand daddy Purple...It looks interesting...can only get from clone...

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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So I have taken some recommendations to heart. First, I lowered the lights to almost directly above the plants, about 4 inches above. Also, I dropped the watering cycle to once per day until the plants get bigger and obtain more root growth. :thumbsup:

I am already seeing results from this. The plants are doing well for their first week of life. I have yet to lose a seedling, and that is promising. All of the plants are showing top leaves now and I am excited to hopefully be able to sex and keep all of the plants. Only the next 2 weeks will tell for sure.

I wanted to give a big thank you to all the contributors to this log. You are not only making a differene in my log, but this potentially helps out people wanting to gain knowledge before they wander into the world of hydroponics.

Thanks again everyone...And let me know what strains I should grow next. I am interested in some suggestions. Anything with high THC levels is game for me! height is not an issue! :jointsmile:

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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So today, I checked the ph level, and I was at a perfect 5.8....couldn't ask for better from my distilled water and calmag mixture.

I had to raise the lights a bit, some of the plants were almost near the lights. The girls are showing very strong secondary leaves and i am noticing the massive root growth I am getting from the plants since I cut the watering schedule back to once a day in the morning.

I am still a but concerned about the plants as the leaves are getting much bigger. What do you guys do to keep the plants from falling over when this happens? I am trying to jery rig some things to keep them up....I am sure you can see this in my pictures...it seems to be working, but, I am still concerned about their long term growth in the initial veg state. Is there anything else I can do besides propping them up and lowering the lights?

Thanks!

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Happy Growing!

-Martyr Projekt

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Just keep doing what your doing. They will start to hold up by themselves, the stem will thicken up. The leaves are like muscles, the more you have the stronger the plant.

and I will give you an A+ for how your rig looks!!! very nice and neat, organized and CLEAN!!! outstanding from what I see so far :jointsmile:

Thanks for the compliment. I try to keep my room, and workspace, super neat. I am anal about that kind of stuff. I can wait to expand to the rest of the room. That will be even more fun! :thumbsup:

Plants are looking super healthy today. I will post some pictures later. They seem to be getting stronger by the day. Lets hope that all 16 are strong...and female :D!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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So I am having some issues with a couple plants. I am seeing discoloration spots on some of the plants...Some lighter and some darker. I posted pictures for you to see.

Also, one of the plants is showing signs of nute burn? The funny thing is that I am not using nutes right now. Maybe it is light burn from my T5 light?

I am using cal mag...should I be using more? Are these signs of lack or calcium and magnesium?

picture #1 and #2 are showing a plant that is discoloring...I have one other plants that is showing lighter coloring. I did not post a picture of this.

picture #3 is showing a plant that has leaf tips that are dead...and it is also showing discoloration.

Let me know what you all think!

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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day 9 you said lights were pretty close and had to raise so wouldn't think it would take this long for heat to show up. The lightening in color would make me wanna start a super weak (like 1/4 str) batch of my trusty GH 3-part and a drop of ST but I myself never really use plain water except to flush. Just started clones and 1 seed this week and evrything is done in 1/8 - 1/4 str water with a drop of ST

What is ST????

SuperThrive.

It has now spread to more plants...I am very concerned...not an infestation. I can spot that immediately with magnifying glass and my careful eye on the little girls.

I am using nutes...GH 3 part...added them last week in a tiny amount...just to stimulate stem and veg growth.

Please look at these pics and tell me what you think! Calcium, magnesium, am I underwatering now?

Thanks in advance...and please read this!!!!!!!

Hydro Grows - Coco, NFT, Hempy Bucket...

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
N) Does the ph fluctuate?
O) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes?

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut?
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
V) From seeds or clones?
W) Is this an autoflower strain?

are you fucking kidding...This information is in this grow log.

This information is in this grow log. To humor you I will fill this out. But, I swear to god that if I hear that cal mag is the solution to this problem, like it seems to be the answer for everything on this forum...I am going to fucking leave this forum because I will be a firm believer that this forum is run by the company that makes calmag solution.

(takes a long deep bong rip)...sorry guys. Back to business. I felt a little tense...now back to business!:stoned:

What is your experience level? Been a part of tons of guerilla and backyard outdoor grows.

What type of hydro set-up are you running? Drip system to rockwohl cubes.

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. T5 four bulb...2 hot and 2 cool bulbs.
B) Distance from tops? I am about 3-4 inches from the tops
C) Reflector type? Reflector came on the light
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 18/6 light cycle...wattage is about 350 watts
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes...two oscilating fans...an exhaust fan.
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes...already answered this redundant question
G) Size of reservoir? 5 gallon

Your nutrients and water:
H) Source of water. (tap or filtered) Ph of water is 5...distilled water from store.
I) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. one feed every day for 15 minutes, nutes being used are 3 part GH system. 1.5ml-1.5ml-1.5ml


J) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water? no idea
K) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution? no idea
L) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps) temp at 74 degrees
M) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check? do not have a ppm checker.
N) Does the ph fluctuate? no...stable 5.8
O) Do you foliar feed? no
P) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? every week

Your growroom:
Q) What size of closet, room or hut? 4x6 veg room...in a larger 10x7 room
R) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? temps runs around 76 degrees while lights are on humidity is at 50-53%....Lights off is about 70-72 degrees 48-50% humidity
S) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? got rid of the gnat problem. Have not seen anything in days!
T) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy? white...and starting to come through the bottom of the rockwohl.

Your strain:
U) What strain are you growing? Citral
V) From seeds or clones? Seeds
W) Is this an autoflower strain? Yes

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This information is in this grow log. To humor you I will fill this out. But, I swear to god that if I hear that cal mag is the solution to this problem, like it seems to be the answer for everything on this forum...I am going to fucking leave this forum because I will be a firm believer that this forum is run by the company that makes calmag solution.

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LMAO!!! Well being that you ARE using distilled water, you really DO need Cal-Mag....Butttt to me it just looks like a bit of nute burn. They are too young to be receiving nutrients. Then again I'm not a hydro grower, so not really sure when nutes should be introduced to young seedlings as those.

christ...I knew it.:wtf: Paranoia setting in and the walls are closing in:wtf:
Cal mag solutions does, in fact, own this forum!

Now can someone with some hydro experience please tell me what this is on my leaves!

well its not nute burn since the prob was there b4 nutes started, its not Cal-mag as you have been using that from the start. I would give it a day or 2 and see what the GH 3part does for ya.

I see the drip stake right at the plant. How wet are the rapid rooter plugs and rockwool. Maybe that. Might want to direct the drip away from the plant a bit. rockwool can be tricky when watering but didn't you say only one water time a day. HMMMM. They don't look that bad but it does look like nute burn somewhat.

So I found the issue...those plants were not rooting properly. Rooting out of the rapid rotter was non-existent. 8 plants are doing fine, their roots made it through to the bottom and they are already outside of the rockwohl.:thumbsup:

I am wondering now that the roots have gon through the bottm of the rockwohl, if I should put them in a hydrotron medium?

I removed the plastic wrapping from around the rockwohl, I was starting to believe I was over-watering. I even thought that perhaps the plastic wrapping was not getting enough oxygen to the roots. But, the cube was light and it was bone dry in the middle. Water was the issue, just a lack of it. I put the plants on 2 watering cycles per day.

Nutes and Ph are perfect. I had to toss the plants that were not doing hot into the humdity dome, and put them under 3x120 watt CFL bulbs in my clone room. I want them to root better before they go into the rockwohl. I am sure most of you will agree with this decision.

I have my strongest 8 little girls under my t5 light in the main veg room. They all have extensive rooting outside of the rockwohl cubes. I am very happy with them so far and I am positive they are going to be sexy little bitches!

I have also decided to buy some clones to work out any issues I might have with my flowering setup before the little girls get into the stage that I can take cuttings from them. I think this is a wise move to make sure I do not have any issues with the setup prior to heavy use.

Also, my white widow showed up. Started their germination last night.

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Happy Growing

-Martyr Projekt

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I have a very similar setup to yours. I'm currently growing six plants in a 4 inch rockwool cube buried in hydroton. They've been vegging for 6 weeks under a 8 t5 bulbs. I would definitely recommend more t5 bulbs if ur space allows it. :thumbsup::smokin::pimp:

glad to hear you got it figured out Marty!! :thumbsup:

I want to first start by saying thank you. I had three different issues going on with my grow. Lack of light, lack of water, and the nutrient solution needed to be adjusted.

Adjustments made:

Besides putting the smaller plants back into humidity dome under another set of CFL lights. I began to notice weak root structure in these plants based upon where they were places in my 2x2 tray. I was not feeding them enough water with nutes, and I was also lacking light to a number of the plants.

Major issues solved:

Lack of light (lumens)
Lack of Water
Lack of nutrients

This tri-fecta of problems with kill 80% of your plants. Even the luckiest of growers will be able to keep 2 out of 10 plants.

Plant Status:

You can already see the difference in one day. Of the strongest plants that were showing signs of spotting and minor wilting, are now perfect little girls again. I love the resiliency of this strain...I definitely recommend this strain to first time growers. Just be prepared to have to prop up your seedlings as they are prone to being leggy.

The new growth is strong on all of the plants under the T5 light. Root growth is through the bottom of the rockwohl, and I will be adding hydrotron on Monday. I need to give these roots more oxygen and this is the best way.

Enjoy the pictures I am supplying for you. I think you will all agree that this system is definitely working best so far.

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Happy Growing:hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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I have a very similar setup to yours. I'm currently growing six plants in a 4 inch rockwool cube buried in hydroton. They've been vegging for 6 weeks under a 8 t5 bulbs. I would definitely recommend more t5 bulbs if ur space allows it. :thumbsup::smokin::pimp:

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I am on this already. I just ordered another T5 light with 8 bulbs....should cover this entire veg space with light. 4 cool and 4 warm bulbs. Remember that this is my second veg area. I will only be using this 2x2 tray for mothers. The strongest plants will the the founders of this room. The other females will be flowered...just for the fun of it!

I will also be putting together the flower room shortly so you all can see my new clones go into flower after 1 month veg.

From what I'm seeing you still have your seedling leaves, you should wait until those fall until nutrients are added. The marijuana plant has nutrients stored in those seedling leaves to get it going in the world, once those are gone it then relies on the root system that has established over its seedling phase. So my suggestion would be back off on the nutrients for now and make sure that temperatures are hospitable for your ladies. Good luck bro, happy growin :rastasmoke:

According to every website that sells nutrients...You are supposed to add nutrients to seedlings when growing via hydroponics. Advanced nutrients and General Hydroponics both recommend using nutes with seedlings.

CLICK HERE FOR THE GENERAL HYDROPONICS LINK FOR NUTE SCHEDULE...

I don't want to be argumentative...but, I honestly do not think they would say to use nutes if they didn't think it was a good idea. its not like it is enough to make you have to go out to buy more...1.5ml for each gallon is not a big deal!

The funny thing is that with growing...there is always something new to learn and add to your growing system. You can always be expanding and learning more, otherwise we would all still be smoking dirty hippy schwag! Feel me there?

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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as I suggested earlier a WEAK mixture for seedlings/clones is acceptabe. If you run 100% nute mixture you will kill them real quick but using 1/8 - 1/4 str is fine. As Marty stated even manufactures give you this info right on the bottle. A drop of ST per gal also will help with root development and growth as this is a vitamin supplement that allows better intake of nutes and such.

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According to every website that sells nutrients...You are supposed to add nutrients to seedlings when growing via hydroponics. Advanced nutrients and General Hydroponics both recommend using nutes with seedlings.

CLICK HERE FOR THE GENERAL HYDROPONICS LINK FOR NUTE SCHEDULE...

I don't want to be argumentative...but, I honestly do not think they would say to use nutes if they didn't think it was a good idea. its not like it is enough to make you have to go out to buy more...1.5ml for each gallon is not a big deal!

The funny thing is that with growing...there is always something new to learn and add to your growing system. You can always be expanding and learning more, otherwise we would all still be smoking dirty hippy schwag! Feel me there?

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Happy Growing :hippy:

-Martyr Projekt

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Key word "sells". I try to ignore the doses and growing info from the bottles, the simple facts are that ofcourse the manufacturer to the nutrient solution is going to recommend that you use their product as much as possible (means more green for them) and those directions that you read are not specifically for marijuana.

I use these as my source of information for growing:

Marijuana Horticulture medical grower's bible by Jorge Cervantes
High Times Growers Series: Jorge Cervantes' Ultimate Grow DVD 1 & 2
Cannabis.com
Grasscity.com

I'm not trying to be argumentative but those recommended doses and schedules were not created for the marijuana plant. Live, learn and toke :rastasmoke: