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So the question is...... If I am sleeping in a 15' X 12' room, the same room contains my 12/12 box, anyone know how many ppms CO2 I can add to the room by sleeping in it for 6-8 hrs ???? or does anyone know of any formulas for ppms produced by the average human?? and is this even enough to make any significant difference?
Thanks for the help!
Not enough, but from what I've read on average a person breaths 16X's a minute. Each breath containing .037grams of CO2.Quote:
Originally Posted by adahars37
So......
.037 X 16 = .592g
.592 X 60min = 35.52g per hour
35.52 X 6to8hours sleep = 213.12-284.16g CO2 ever 6-8 hours
PS. If I find the link I will post it.....
it probably won't make that much difference. first off, for co2 to be effective you need to have the rest of your grow dialed in. second, you need to run ~1500-1800ppm. for co2 to be effective you need to run it in a SEALED room. this is harmful to you and any pets that you may have.
-shake
:D Forgot to mention too much can kill you too!Quote:
Originally Posted by headshake
thanks guys, i appreciate the quick reply. good to know, i think that i've got most everything dialed in and am ready to start using CO2 bottled form. any suggestions on a decent and fairly priced regulator set up?
Hey adahars37,
First thing to buy, since you grow where you live and sleep, is a Carbon Monoxide Detector. They look like smoke alarms but monitor CO level; too much it goes off and you and yours can wake up instead of not.
While the chance of killing yourself using the typical 10lb bottle of CO2 is small, don't take any chances.
Typical regulator and emmitter is about $150, plus tank and refills. Try to get two tanks and I would use two different suppliers for re-fills.
BTW: If you wanted your (human) co2 output to help your plants, you would need to sleep in there while the LIGHTS are ON. Your plants have no use for co2 during the dark period.
conditions dont need to be optimal to benefit from co2
i made my boilerroom into a grow room, it was hot but the co2 the boiler gave off made my plants veg insane
i read somewhere that a house of 4 has twice th co2 in the air as outside and you can add to that if you have old appliances with pilot lights and shit
youd probly be surprised if u test the air but its like 15$ a test if you dont have a meter yet and to go around testing different rooms is fun but expensive:D
i been thinking of sealing a room to run co2 (have tanks from paintball alrready) but it would be indoors right now and with tanks there is less worries co -co2 as long as you dont burn off that extra oxygen molecule
This isn't true when using tanked CO2, at least from a reputable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac
Lab and Technical Gases - Airgas.com
a CO detector should be purchased when burning propane as a faulty burner or a lack of sufficient can create CO
The biggest issue about running CO2 where you live/sleep is if valve, regulator, monitor, or timer fail for whatever reason you can be suffocated in your sleep. I think this is generally considered enough reason to not run CO2 in your living area.
But on topic: Sleeping in your grow room may not increase CO2, but exercising definitely does. I've seen an increase in 700PPM on my monitor when me and one other are working hard
For what it's worth, in the 70's, it became kind of an "in" thing to "talk to your plants"....meaning any and all plants. There was some kind of study that confirmed that human breath gives off beneficial co2. But it was more of a hippy thing :hippy:
I've read about CO2 and don't often forget what I read. So, some of what I read doesn't quite jive with some of the other things I've read.
First off I read that WORLD WIDE average CO2 in the air is really close to 300ppm. Yet I see people telling me they keep CO2 at around 210ppm. I'd have to assume the plants are eating it all up in that case!
I read that ALL plants completely STOP growing if CO2 drops below 200ppm. So 210ppm is really pushing the edge.
I read that plants thrive BEST at 1300ppm anything over that is a waste!
I read that Humans AND pets are typically effected (suffocate) at around 5000ppm.
CO2 weighs more then regular air. Thus without good circulation, a sealed room(or at least the venting is up high) it posses a risk of escape and could fill surrounding rooms and risk killing pets who naturally might be ON the floor.
Lastly I've read that current CO2 levels of around 300ppm are overall VERY low for our planet. We've had thousands upon thousand of years maybe millions where CO2 was 7-800ppm+. Yet our government is getting ready to sign a world treaty claiming CO2 is a hazardous waste product and thus will be taxed out the a$$ to the UN! How exactly can they tax us for over producing a naturally beneficial gas when technically it's at an ALL time multi million year low?:wtf:
Funny how growing mmj has suddanly brought government claims so much more INTO the light for me. If our government succeeds and we can get CO2 down below 200ppm we can have a world wide hunger issue. Because all our food will stop growing. Not to mention they are already showing our world temps are dropping NOT rising. It's now called climate CHANGE, Not global warming. I even found a few places showing growth in the ice caps over the last 3 years.
Have you ever seen the Penn and Teller video where they get MANY many people to sign a petition to ban Dyhydrogen monoxide(H2O) OR sodium phosphate(salt)? Kinda funny, because nearly everyone on the video signs this thing, banning water and salt without paying ANY real attention to what they are really signing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw
However my point to all this is,.. If they start taxing the bejesus out of us for producing CO2 (which IS the case). What will become of the places selling CO2? Or the prices at such places? Seems to me a CO2 generator would be the smartest method. At least then you can buy Propane and convert it to CO2 without the government taxing you for "killing" our enviroment.
I would never fall asleep under an HPS
Bump! Thanks for the Info on CO2 Production it is proving to be very helpful!
Now Excuse me while I clear something up here....
Thanks for the unintelligent rant here, it's really doing a lot about about climate change, and how much of a truly serious issue it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancefish
The issue is not with CO2 alone, you should know this being a Gardner, and being in tune with the earth. Let me ask you this, How much CO2 is in acid rain? How much will reducing the CO2 emissions, Just CO2 now, reduce the problem of acid rain? Because going by what you are are saying here, is that people are telling you that CO2 is the problem, and CO2 is the only emission that is taxed. Acid rain is reeking havoc on environments such as the Adirondacks. We are currently at 78% DEAD LAKE! Not to mention the acres and acres of Standing Dead Tree, caused all by sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, Coal Burning Emissions. I do not see CO2 as an element in the poisoning of our forests and the cause of out landscape changing so drastically over the past ohh 20 years or so.
This rant is no different than Vancefish signing that petition to ban salt water.
So please before you go trashing the Climate Change campaign that soo many of us work so hard to raise awareness about, please add something intelligent about the real problem, The Burning of Fossil Fuels. Sure they do create a whole heck of a lot of Carbon Dioxide, which may or may not be a part of the problem(Probably not), but the the chemicals like sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, are literally reeking havoc on communities all across the earth, our Earth!
Ok That is all, Thank you!
Hi all, I don't have too much experience with Co2, but I do blow on my plants to give them some extra and some wind, since I only use the fan for 30-60 minutes a day to save electricity, the production of which contributes to global warming and the degradation of our biosphere.
I became a member of this site just to counter the factless conjecture about global warming that was posted above.
Global warming is very real. and although co2 is not the strongest greenhouse gas (meaning it traps heat from the sun, thus warming the earth, like a greenhouse) it is extremely common and humans release a shitton into the atmosphere every day, because we rely so hard on fossil fuels (and we are at the mercy of their prices).
We are currently at about 390 ppm, where most SCIENTISTS (NOT CORPORATIONS) agree that we need to be at 350 in order to avoid worldwide disaster in the upcoming decades. in 1832 it was at 284 ppm. that's a huge difference which, since someone above referenced geologic time in millions and millions of years, is basically the time it takes to blink. Sure, fluctuations in the past (long ass time ago before humans) have occurred in co2, but these fluctuations accompanied relatively huge differences in global temperature, wreaking havoc and hugely changing and rearranging the composition of life on the surface of the earth.
CO2 is not the only contributor but it is major, and released when any fossil fuel is burned. Modern society greatly relies on fossil fuels, and does not want to change. Do you really think there is some conspiracy to put an unnecessary tax on all things that use fossil fuels, or do you think all those huge corporations that rely on cheap fossil fuels are spewing propaganda in the opposite direction??? We NEED to tax this shit, or else we are going to keep releasing it and we are going to warm the Earth, and then, there will be huge problems, like we don't already have enough.
PLEASE, PLEASE reconsider, global warming is huge and the scientific community is only on one side, on the other is big money. YOU decide who to believe and who really cares about humanities future in the next 2 decades.
Also, coal burning is a huge contributor to Global Warming as well as acid rain due to sulfur and nitrous oxide emissions. coal sucks it is the worst btw. But this form of environmental degradation is not the major contributor to global warming. I'm just clarifying this so everyone is clear on the difference. Acid rain hurts the environment, but does not warm the earth. CO2 and some other gases like methane warm the earth over the long term, which is why it is so hard to regulate. Politicians and people rarely think long term.
I apologize for my bad attitude in writing this, I don't want to alienate anyone from believing in the inconvenient truth of rapid global climate change. I'm not an expert or scientist, but I believe wholeheartedly that this is one of the biggest health issues of our time on a species level, and everyone needs to support changing our system and communities to be sustainable and not polluting, or our world will warm to a very damaging degree. It is happening now and will get worse and worse in the next decades. No one can predict exactly what will happen but it is known that the adjustment will be hard and there will probably be some mass death involved. This is an issue I care about personally and that I have volunteered a lot of my time to fight and raise awareness for. So please forgive my attitude and take a good look at the facts, because my response is motivated by my heart.
As pot smokers are an outcast to this society, I hope you all find pride in yourselves to be on the cutting edge of change, and that you reflect back upon the world the blessings you have, or perhaps have not, gained from cannabis. She is wise do her proud protect our planet or it will go to waste. Here in babylon we have the most responsibility to make change out of anyone.