Please refer to my Grow Log. Page 8 post 178-181. You can post in my grow log if you prefer. Link is also in my sig. Thanks in advance.
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Please refer to my Grow Log. Page 8 post 178-181. You can post in my grow log if you prefer. Link is also in my sig. Thanks in advance.
There is a reason that there is a troubleshooting form, and doubtful folks will go chasing your thread around. If you want us to put the effort into helping you, perhaps you could put some effort into this yourself, as this is likely one of the most lazy requests I've ever seen in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bertoxxulous
Although having your own thread is pretty cool, it appears that you've locked yourself into taking advise from newbies. Bad habit to get into, as they aren't always the best source of info....
Not a fan of CFL's? Wet-dry cycle for clones...? Foliar feeding unrooted clones...? :wtf:
Well, my post may be lazy but I assumed that the information provided in those last few posts was adequate enough to give you the details of the issue. Silly me. Secondly, one of those newbies you so lovingly refer to helped me out with my tent issue that I would have never figured out otherwise. In fact, when I first started posting on here was in regards to having what would have been a 4th failed crop in these tents of mine and I was pretty much on the verge of giving up all together. He was the first one on these boards to help me solve that problem and so far its been working out quite well. It seems that I was over-reacting to the (most likely) natural progress of the plants large fan leaves showing a N deficiency. I'm just over-sensitive to anything my plants do because I haven't gotten a crop from seed to harvest since I started last year due to my toxic tents.
My clones...well they are dying because I'm a newbie, I took them after I swapped 12/12, and the humidity in the area that I'm keeping them stays below at or below 30% if I take the hood off.
So, go ahead and continue with your negativity and lack of guidance since its been working so well for you so far right?
Here is a little quote for you there buddy..
HENDRIE WEISINGER, The Power of Positive CriticismQuote:
People who project negativity typically have low self-esteem. They feel badly about themselves, and their negativity is simply a reflection of those feelings.
Dude, Rusty is one of the guru's here. Think about your situation, you're posting for help in the Plant Problem forums. Rusty was simply stating that if you want some help, describe your problem and the conditions your plant is in, rather than linking to your 8 page grow log and saying "Read this". It doesn't take more than 5 minutes to lay out your medium, nutes, pH, PPM, temps, light, etc. for us here so we don't have to sift through 8 pages of your grow log to get the info. This is a forum of stoners, after all... :jointsmile:.
There's no need to be defensive, especially when you are trying to get help from others. Insteading of wasting time with that last post getting defensive and trying to prove you're right, you could have spent half the time just puting up your specs and then people could help you. I've found that no one really takes kindly to people asking for help and then not giving any info, let alone getting defensive about being asked for it.
Remember, you're asking people to take their own time to help YOU with YOUR problems because YOU asked. The ones that are willing to do that aren't the people you want to piss off, so its just best to provide the info, take the advice you're given, and not get all huffy about it. :hippy::thumbsup:
@dejayou30 - Rusty did more than just simply state anything. There was definate condensending overtones in his post, and probably just about he majority of posts I've ever read from him honestly. But I do agree with you, I was out of line to a degree, and I should have followed the forum guidlines for posting in the Plant Problems section. However, if it weren't for the "newbies" that he is reffering to that helped me to find out that my tents were toxic, I would have given up on growing by now.
So, you can blame me for being defensive, maybe to much....guilty as charged. I feel to some degree that it was justified.
Lastly, Rusty's high handed attitude with just about every one of his posts I've read is un-called for at best. He may be a growing genius but that doesn't mean he has to be arrogant and negative when he is responding to fellow growers posts regardless of skill level. I'm not asking for a luvy duvy lets all hold hands and sing age of aquarious around the camp fire...just be civil, I don't think thats asking alot.
That's a good thing, too... 'cause I'm pretty sure Rusty ain't one of those kinds of growers! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bertoxxulous
Deja hit it right on the nose, and so did Rusty in his own roundabout way... a lot of growers don't have a whole lot of time to spend answering questions, and so asking them to refer to your grow log to discern whatever information they can about your grow is extremely inconvenient. Especially when, as Deja pointed out, you could just spend the extra five minutes needed to just fill out the form in this post.
Also, look at it from the perspective of Rusty, who is experienced and has been around these boards for quite a while; he's seen a lot of newbies come in here who try giving advice when either a) they're not experienced enough to manage their own grows, or b) are relying only on what they've read from grow books and other growing websites, but have no personal experience. That kind of shit gets annoying real fast, regardless who you are or what your skill level is, and Rusty just doesn't enjoy seeing people take advice that could jeopardize someone else having a successful grow. Many of the people who come here aren't just growing to get stoned, but have legitimate health-related conditions which they use cannabis for. I'm one of them, and I know Rusty and his wife are too. That's not to say that you are just growing to get high, I don't know what your story is, but if you aren't then you can probably understand Rusty's perspective even better.
Anyway, we are a community here and we can get along... but only when we don't let disagreements or pissing contests get out of hand. Once that starts, the proverbial shit hits the proverbial fan real quick and legitimate questions become even less likely to ever get answered.
...with all that in mind, have you filled out the troubleshooting form yet? :jointsmile:
Problem is resolved. I was freaking out about a natural N deficiency starting in my larger fan leaves.
Rather than having more posts deleted...I'll simplify the equatuion, and have now put ya on ignore.
There...doesn't that feel much better?
Plus, I don't blame Rusty for his condescending undertones as you would say as it's ridiculous how many people on a day to day basis come on here and ask what their problem is without posting the specs (troubleshooting form). It's kinda like an never ending wave of leeches looking for every answer without putting in the effort to figure out what needs to be done to get the help.....
On another note, your plants look good and I'm glad to see you got it figured out! Also, in same way or form we are all still n00bs to somebody as we learn new things everyday! :D Good Luck and be safe! :thumbsup:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rusty Trichome again.:wtf:
I can feel this thread being closed soon enough with all the bickering :D
Not taking sides here but this ignore thing is dumb. I'm just throwing this out there....I've never put ANYONE on ignore and I never will. I don't have a grudge or know anyone good enough to be that ignorant. I don't expect to be ignored because I did nothing to warrant it. People don't always respond to my threads or understand me but at least I try to be a part of this community. Inhale and relax...:hippy:
Twasn't you that was put on ignore, FourTwenty4Life...but I'll be damned if I'm going to keep getting infractions and being banned because some twit get's offended. Ignore is a self-preservation technique I plan on using more often, albeit only under extreme conditions. Often enough I've shared words with someone, and have no problem offering them future guidance. Holding a grudge carries no weight here.
Other than the mods, (and not even sure about them) none of the members here get paid a dime. So if you want help, you damn well better be prepared to provide (without getting all prissy) the required info to help us help you, instead of creating more work for us. Anything short of a complete rundown of you equipment, your techniques and your indicated problems...is a risk. Not to my garden, but to the person asking for help. (and a complete waste of time, too)
If someone wants to bitch about the level or quality of help you get, fine, I understand some folks inability to take advise or criticism, and I cary no PhD in plant biology. But your emotions are not my responsibility. Along those same lines, if you chose to let personalities get in the way of learning how the fuck to bring your meds to harvest, then again...it's you and your meds that take the hit. Either way, you have a decision to make. Be offended that I didn't give bertoxxulous a reach-around, or see the parts of this situation that bertoxxulous brought upon himself. His original post, and his subsequent response to my calling his method of requesting assistance as lazy, (which it was) being an example. As FakeBoobsRule told me once...you reap what you sew.
If you are looking for a saint to come hold your hand and whisper sweet techniques in your ear, I'm the wrong person to help, as I obviously don't play well with other's. Never have, likely never will. Regardless, there are other's here capable of helping you along your merry way, and I'm comfortable with deferring to them, rather than risking my membership and wasting my time.
Ever notice that although I've never met any of you, I seem to have a hold on a lot of people's emotions in here? My dispassionate and often gruff presentation of gardening techniques is my personality. Period. So is it my gruff, no-nonsense approach that some members have a problem with, or is it other's inability to be open to criticism?
And bertoxxulous: Nice to see a newbie found one of the articles that's been going around here for a year or so in regards to the PVC outgassing contaminates in the growhuts. That is however, a far cry from taking advice about growing techniques and troubleshooting. Were it not for your newbie friends spreading bogus info in your growlog, perhaps you wouldn't have been here looking for help in the first place. :jointsmile:
hahaha bump rusty
Well, this whole thing has gotten out of hand. I want to appologize to all you guys including Rusty (although I know he won't see this) that I should have just kept my mouth shut and done as I was told. I didn't come here to start fights or be defensive about things. I suppose it was just one of those heat of the moment things. This website has been a gem for growing info for me and I would have given up growing by now if I hadn't visted the site and started posting. There is a wealth of info that I've learned here and will continue to learn, no doubt. I would like to continue to be apart of this forum community....I know I have a long way to go to be an effective grower and that I will continue to require help from you guys so again, I sincerely appologize.
Excuse me? You think we get paid to deal with posters who like to flame, attack, and insult other members? You think we get paid to deal with spammers, people posting requests for hook ups, talking about other drugs, posting immature threads that make marijuana users look bad, moving posts because people don't give a damn where they start threads, getting insulted by members just for doing a voluntary job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Guess what we don't get paid shit, not one dime not one penny.
So it gets old really quick when you try to be nice and point out to someone that they are breaking the rules and not to do it again without giving them a penalty and they keep doing it anyway or their next post is to insult the mod. It gets old even faster when someone who you consider a senior member ignores the requests and warnings and continues to do whatever the hell they want to. That's exactly what us unpaid volunteers what to do all day long. So here's another saying, no good deed goes unpunished.
In case you do have Bert on ignore, you should see his post that proceeds this one and follows Flyguy's post. He shows great maturity and patience as he just apologized to you Rusty. Too bad you couldn't have been a little nicer when you told him what you thought he did was lazy and made it difficult for people to answer his question because maybe we could have avoided this latest round of Rusty bullshit. Some people do listen and don't have to be talked to like shit to understand.
Offending peole doesn't earn you an infraction and or bannings, breaking the rules does though so let's make that clear too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Gee. See how easy it is to fly off the handle misinterpreting a post and it's intent...? At least I'm not the only one that get's frustrated and talks down to the little people. Thank you for reminding us that nobody is perfect, FBR. I was saying that none of us here get paid that I know of, but my not being a mod, I have no clue what you are or are not paid. Tell me where the fucking insult is, FBR. :jointsmile:
If you want to run a politically correct forum that allows bullshit to be spread like wildfire, or if you prefer to coddle these kids, I'll just watch, thank you. I was under the impression that this site was specifically geared twords medical cannabis patients and their caretakers. Apparently this has changed, as the immaturity of these conversations is astounding.
Those I put on ignore are there for a reason. What...now you're going to bitch at me for using a feature provided for just this reason?
Berto: You are not doing anything wrong at all. There is no need for you to apologize to RT. RT was being condescending to you. I apologize for you being treated badly here.
NOBODY deserves being made fun of. Learning is why we are all here. We should support one another, not amuse ourselves at other's expense.
Bye bye Rusty.....
wow!
Hey Bert lets go on a Raid or something or better yet do you remember when we all use to sell stuff in the commonlands before the bazaar? That stuff was fun and this stuff got way to serious way to fast. Cant we all just get along?
@tinytoon - I miss my EQ days...I do reminice quite a bit about it but I've moved on to another MMO lol. I do remember the commonlands days though hah.
I'm sorry to see this whole thing ended up getting Rusty band, I know that he was a wealth of knowledge =(