hey, first time grow here
can anyone tell me if these look stunted, the babies are a bit over 3 weeks now.
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hey, first time grow here
can anyone tell me if these look stunted, the babies are a bit over 3 weeks now.
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yeah are definately having some problems, fill out a troubleshooting form so we can see what ur conditions are. http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...anted-one.html
I'm growing Indoors (closet) using miracle grow organic choice soil (no nutes added) mixed 50/50 with Perlite. Also using Schwartz 20-20-20 plant food (started adding at half-strength about a week ago) for the veg stage. I'm lighting them with 2 600 watt wide-spectrum fluros (specific on red &violet) about 2 inches from the tops of the plants, running 24 hours. I keep the room temp at a reg 75 and run a 6" fan next to them, also a dehumidifier to keep the moisture down. Any pointers on what i'm doing wrong would be greatly appreciated, maybe its my lights?
You're not doing anything wrong; that I can see? Are they bag seeds? I use floro tubes...(6500k) Have you transplanted yet?...if so?...what did the roots look like?...Lose the drip pans...let excess water out.
just because they are stretching... is not a reason for alarm...:thumbsup:...yet
i'm using seeds from a chronic crop (grown by my friend). i didn't think i was doing anything wrong, but i was told my plants might be stunted for their age (3 weeks after germ). i haven't re-potted yet. i was told to wait until the canopy stretches over the edge of the pot.
They are stretching quite a bit, and they are also quite small for being 3 weeks old... i suspect your problem is lighting, do you have any more detailed specs about the lights? (ie. colour temp & lumen output)
You said its more in the red spectrum, which kinda indicates its a lower colour temp (~2700K), in veg stage you actually want a higher colour temp (~6500K).
also, whats your distance between the tops and the lights? it certainly looks close enough, so I don;t think thats the problem... i have a feeling your problem might just be the number of lumens coming out of the bulbs, and it would also help if you have a bulb stronger in the blue spectrum.
I'd also be really careful about adding nutes to a plant that small... if you go stricty by the age of the plant, it can probably handle it, but like i said, they are pretty small for their age IMO.
Also, i;m not familiar with that MG soil, but alot of MG soil has time-released nutes and you may run into over-nuting problems by adding more to it... but if you are not seeing the leaves burn up, then you are probably ok.
edit: yeah, like the others also said, lose the drip trays... when you water them, just leave them in the sink or something to drip for 30+ mins before putting them back under the lights... if they are still dripping a little then, then just put a paper towel under them for another hour or something to catch anything else that drips out. the drip trays can keep the bottom layers of the soil very wet and mud-like, which will cause root rot.
yeah, do not re-pot yet... infact, the pots they are in are realistically too large for their size already, thats not a deal-breaker problem or anything though.Quote:
Originally Posted by letsgetalongbrd
what size are the pots currently? they look like perhaps 1gal or maybe even slightly larger?
rule of thumb is 1 gal of soil per 1 foot of plant height. You might find your plants will be able to go a little taller than that, since they are a bit stretched though... the 1 gal per 1 foot is really just a guideline and is flexible. Really, you want to wait to transplant until you see signs of them becoming rootbound, and the guideline is really just to give you a ballpark of when to be looking for those signs.
this is from the bulb itself both lights are: GE 600 watt Full/Wide Spectrum Florescent Hg Plant/Aquarium, color temp: 7800k, the lights are about 2 inches from the tops.
thanks for the advice about the trays. i was thinking about this because it looked like there was a lot of plant waste in the water when it dripped through. it doesn't seem like its good for Mary to suck that back up. as for the soil, it has no nutes added, its organic soil. i heard this same thing about MG so i made sure i got a soil without nutes.
i keep hearing about rootbound, forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by syde00
Rootbound is when your plants roots out grow the environment(pot) that they live in. Basically, your plant and your plants root mass are too big for their small home (too small of pot). Just look at it this way, the bigger the root mass the better the yield most of the time. So if you have a plant that is lets say one meter in a one gallon pot then it's obvious that the roots have out grown the one gallon pot and is struggling to find somewhere for it's roots to grow causing them to intangle with each other resulting in a smaller yield. Rootbound could also lead to root rot which in case you want to avoid at all costs as that will completely kill the plant.Quote:
Originally Posted by letsgetalongbrd
Next time...use 5500k-6500k floro tube lights....(during veg cycle)..and you will need much stronger light ...soon!
HID or a bunch of CFL's...lighting...(7800k is not good)
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how many watts do you recommend for the CFL's?
don;t go based on wattage... wattage is a rating of how much power the bulb consumes, and is relatively meaningless when it comes to how much light (lumens) they output.
However, when it does come to CFLs, they are pretty predictable with their output... the current generation of CFLs are basically like this:
23watt (100watt equivalent) = ~1600 lumens (~69 lumens per watt)
29watt (125watt equivalent) = ~2200 lumens (~75 lumens per watt)
42watt (150watt equivalent) = ~2600 lumens (~61 lumens per watt)
Please make sure you read the packaging to ensure you are getting lumen counts around those numbers or greater! the 29watt bulbs are great effenciency as you can see, as far as CFLs go at least... but I have only found them in local stores with 2700K colour temp.
Also pay attention to the colour temp, 6500K for veg, 2700K for flower - though most CFL growers will say that using a mix of the 2 for both stages is ideal, just heavier on the 6500K for veg, and heaiver on 2700K for flower.
As for your current flouro... you said its 600watt? is it truely 600watt or is it 600watt-equivalent? i find it a little hard to believe that its truely 600watt, as even a 48" T5 flouro that puts out like 4600 lumens is only 54watt.
If you really have a 600watt flouro, it would be producing massive lumens and massive heat and having it 2" away from the plant would be waaaay too close if its that high of an output as you'd be seeing signs of heat stress, and they probably also wouldn;t be stretching like they are... look at the bulb and see if there is any kind of model number... we can probably figure outs its specs based on that.
okay guys, I just went and got 3 2700k cfl's and 3 6500k cfl's. Im going to wire up some fixtures on a coupple two by four and see if the growth rate improves, i will post some new pictures in a few days.
So, I've since flushed the plants, and added the new cfls. They seem to have started growing again.
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ok so i think im doing this all wrong but this is my first time and i dont know where to go or how to ask a question so i am just gonna put it on here and hope someone picks it up.
first of all i have no idea what im doing not much of an idea about growing at all,but i have managed to grow a couple of clones right up to full maturity ( amber on the bud) only thing is i started to trim em and i noticed these little ball things, though oh no they are male pollen sacks and there seems to be quite a lot of em mainly at the main stem/branch where the bud starts like in the first part of the bud, they look like a miniture upside down opium head with 2 little hairs coming out of the top, so i cut one open and there is the minutest little brown thing inside bout the size of a grain of sand.
has the plant hermied and are these the begining of male pollen, or are they female pollen sacks , or are they the earliest formation of new buds, the buds are large and sticky but i am not sure if i messed it up. can anyone give me some advise.
and if i posted this in the wrong place i am really sorry but i couldnt figure out where or how to post. thanx to anyone who offers up soem advise
are there little white pistils sticking out of the sacks? if so then they're female
another way to tell, the male seed sacks, looks more like a ball sack.
looks like snow haha
has ur light been that far from the pots since they were seeds?
also a fan might help if u dont already have one
a fan is a must, your stems need to grow strong and it helps for air circulation. Im on day 12 and my current avatar/display pic is where they are at. I am actually facinated by this, I want to try growing veggies or something as well and see if I can make mega tomatoes or something lol, you should post some pic updates so we can see them now after a few days.