"foul" language....is it really or just words

I had a good burn session one day and remered a thread I saw where a member bashed on foul mouths and even mods that permit it. This got me to thinking about my take on "foul" language. Me personally I think they are just words meant to convey a more highted expression. Who was the guy that decided to put letters S, H, I and T together to give a more intense "nickname" to describe this natural yet some how taboo bodily function. Who then decided that these or any descriptors or simply "letter combinations" we use to communicate, were unacceptable for others. Who was the literary expert that drew the line just after "dookie" or "poop"? This word is one example but I think this applies to all words IMO. This just seems to be a common sense principle. some people have different tastes and methods of every aspect of life. If is not for you, do what you choose for "yourself". Why must we spend time being judgemental of such simple things. Doing so seems the same as prohibition, wether it be cannabis or any other herb or spirits. Using the KISS method.... what kind of power hungry yutz decided that only a few select "elite" were allowed to let their barley, hops, rice, fruit, or potato ferment or, no one was permitted to put a flame to an herb they found growing? I always try to be kind and respectful of others but honestly...If you dont like to fight, walk away..if you dont like drugs, dont partake...dont like to see, dont watch...hear, dont listen....yada yada. Just "Deep thoughts with Jack Handy" lol Whats your thoughts

We have a 1st Amenedment that guarantees this. But still its upto individuals to show a little restraint once in a while. I'm an avid cusser and find myself in trouble once in a while for using words to reinforce my position.

man when i was in iraq...swearing was a sport. get a bunch of construction workers together, put them in Navy uniforms and stick them in the middle of the desert...yeah we swore a lot. nothing wrong with swearing. although i did have to tone it down quite a lot on my return home. time and a place. just like everything.

I hear ya, I stay in trouble with my extreme conservative bible thumping family members, now its just kinda funny and I always mess with them. No real serious shocker words tho. I just get a chuckle sometimes at very intelligent yet silly blind sheep that follow in line with something without being completelysure why it was they do or do not support something. I just try to take a simple and common sense approach to everything and with language, it just comes down to the fact that a word is just a link in a chain of many that we use to communicate with each other and some meant to be more expressive than others. an octave above another, same as music. Does it really make one word "bad" and another "good"?

Interesting but who made the F word a swear word in the first place, was it someone that just thought it sounded bad and spread it around that it was a swear word so they did not have to hear it to often.
Swearing is just curse words like when you hit your thumb with a hammer.
Personally i like the word cunt its a nice sound.:hippy::stoned:

The funny thing is I just started watching Hell's Kitchen UK and the "f word" obviously isn't viewed the same over there as it is in the US! I too have a mouth like a trucker at times.. but when your grandparents have no problem calling each other "sh*thead" and the like, whaddaya expect? ;)

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greenmajik The funny thing is I just started watching Hell's Kitchen UK and the "f word" obviously isn't viewed the same over there as it is in the US

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Aye those Chefs are temperamental and they can swear at the drop of a hat;)
When I was young swearing was a no no in front of the female gender like if you swore in a pub (bar) where there where women were you it would be likely end up with your front teeth knocked out or two black eyes.
These days the women are as bad as the men for swearing if not worse.
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Originally Posted by Greenthing

Interesting but who made the F word a swear word in the first place, was it someone that just thought it sounded bad and spread it around that it was a swear word so they did not have to hear it to often.
Swearing is just curse words like when you hit your thumb with a hammer.
Personally i like the word cunt its a nice sound.:hippy::stoned:

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:S2: prob wont find too many women that share those feelings. lol What does the "one" think of it? I use the juvenile "twot did you say, I cunt hair you?" Wife smacks me every time. I'm just a big kid and try to put humor to as much in life as I can and think that is a better approach than letting chronic pain turn me into a totally unbearable prick.

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=cannakeeper;1980961]:S2: prob wont find too many women that share those feelings. lol

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Yeah but i know a few of my gay female that use it quite often.

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What does the "one" think of it? I use the juvenile "twot did you say, I cunt hair you?".

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Over here a cops are called constables so when they ask us a question we would answer yes, no cuntsable.

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Wife smacks me every time

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You deserve it:)

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I'm just a big kid and try to put humor to as much in life as I can and think that is a better approach than letting chronic pain turn me into a totally unbearable prick.

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Yeah agree that that 100%,but unbearable prick i resemble that remark LOL :smokin:

fuck is by far my favorite swear word. im not sure if its the versatility , or if its just that fuck is like the mother of all swear words....i dunno...but i like it.

you guys ever hear of the theory that "fuck" is an acronym? from what i hear, unless you were a king, you had to have consent from the king to fornicate. therefore, Fornication Under Consent of King. FUCK. always thought that was interesting.

and canna, you're absolutely right. words are words are words. its people who give them their power, and idiotic and insecure people who give power to the wrong words. can you imagine if the world held such a high reverance for intelligent speaking, but in a positive way? like if people stared and admired well-spoken people the same way that "foul-mouthed" individuals get negative attention...?

my feelings have always been that no one can make you feel any way. anyone can say anything to you, but you make the choice if it affects you. in the moment, i'll admit, sometimes this is hard to agree with. but stepping back and viewing the big picture is a huge strength, one that many people don't possess.

dunno, just rambling...

stay safe everybody
-GG84

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Originally Posted by GoldenGraham84

you guys ever hear of the theory that "fuck" is an acronym? from what i hear, unless you were a king, you had to have consent from the king to fornicate. therefore, Fornication Under Consent of King. FUCK. always thought that was interesting.

and canna, you're absolutely right. words are words are words. its people who give them their power, and idiotic and insecure people who give power to the wrong words. can you imagine if the world held such a high reverance for intelligent speaking, but in a positive way? like if people stared and admired well-spoken people the same way that "foul-mouthed" individuals get negative attention...?

my feelings have always been that no one can make you feel any way. anyone can say anything to you, but you make the choice if it affects you. in the moment, i'll admit, sometimes this is hard to agree with. but stepping back and viewing the big picture is a huge strength, one that many people don't possess.

dunno, just rambling...

stay safe everybody
-GG84

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pretty much my sentiments exaclty!

we chose to give words meaning and also chose which words are "swear" words or "cuss" words. and by me, i mean society. we as a society generally dictate what is acceptable and what is not.

like golden said, words are just that. you can get by in life with a minimum vocabulary. but why not own what you say, or say exactly what you mean. to me words portray different levels of emotion, or a different shade of color if you will.

no matter what words are said, it's a choice to get offended. words have no power if we don't give them power. we just have to be more particular and less emotional with the words we choose to put stock into.

just a little food for thought ( i like to think, believe it or not). why do black people get mad when a white person uses the N-bomb? i mean think about it. it was first used by white people to put down an entire race. that race took the word and used it as a sign of family or respect. now the race that created it uses it to the race they made the original derogatory comments towards to mean the same family and respect. to me that is poetic justice.

i don't know. maybe i'm just weird.


don't be spoon fed!


-shake

Some people really talk a load of bollocks.
Words are just words is far too simple.
Words are communication and are vital to any society.
Words on thier own are pretty limited, they have to have meaning otherwise they're useless.
There is also the context and of course the inflection, where , when and how words are used can completely change thier meaning.

Swearing all the time is boring , the over usage of the cuss word diminishes it's potency.

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Originally Posted by GoldenGraham84

can you imagine if the world held such a high reverance for intelligent speaking, but in a positive way? like if people stared and admired well-spoken people the same way that "foul-mouthed" individuals get negative attention...?

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Dude, I have more respect for my foreman's swearing abilities than Obama's public speaking abilities.

I work construction in the summers, work in a kitchen during the school year and I play football. The ultimate combination of swearing. Besides H4H I guess haha.

i'm in construction, we use all the swear words more than any other words,and i use them much more than most they are just words,that can help you express yourself, but if people dont like it, it's tough shit their problem and they can go fuck themselfs:D.these sad wankers need to get a life and stop bitching about a few simple words.:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Some people really talk a load of bollocks.
Words are just words is far too simple.
Words are communication and are vital to any society.
Words on thier own are pretty limited, they have to have meaning otherwise they're useless.
There is also the context and of course the inflection, where , when and how words are used can completely change thier meaning.

Swearing all the time is boring , the over usage of the cuss word diminishes it's potency.

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I see your point for sure. I love cursing because of the texturization I believe it brings to my speech, but I use it sparingly so the effect will never be lost. Context....hmmm. Yes, it's all about the perception and the stigma, I guess. For me, "cunt" is no more offensive than "vulva" (and is even a much more beautiful word due to its sheer vibrance and energy: wow, I'm high), but it's so hammered into all of us that certain words are too powerful to be used. That's what it's all about: the power of certain words is frightening. I think the concept of foul language is a fairly recent phenomenon..."cunt" appears in The Canterbury Tales, for example...it didn't become a big deal until later, until, in my theory, the sheer energy packed into that one syllable became unbearable. If the word "love" only referred to the heart-shattering feeling of fleeting oneness that grips us all from time to time, I'm sure it would be used with caution, too. Instead, because it has become so casual ("I love that salad"), it's frequently used. If it referred only to its highest form, it probably would have become associated with the carnal and forbidden too. Plus, I think the sound has to do with it, too..."love" is a soft and delicate word despite the V sound, conjuring up images of languishing on rose petals, whereas anyone who knows love knows that there is much more suffering involved. "Cunt" has a harsh sound that brilliantly displays its vibrance, and ironically it refers to one of the most beautiful things around. "Vagina" to me is an unpleasant word that seems to be a clinical shield against fulling expressing what the thing is, which the c word conveys with all the power it can muster. Humans are strange, and their languages are so fascinating.

To whoever talked about Fornication Under Consent of the King....I always heard For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge as signs above the publically shamed, but either way it's a myth. The word derives from the German, I believe.

If anyone thinks "love" being a dirty word if non-relegated seems a stretch...yes, because of the soft and delicate connotations of the word that glosses over the full reality of what we call love. If there were a word that could encompass the full range of genuine and perceived affection in all its forms...it wouldn't be considered polite.

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Originally Posted by greenmajik

The funny thing is I just started watching Hell's Kitchen UK ;)

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theres a new series of hells kitchen just started, and last night Linda gray fro m america said she had never heard the swear word Wanker (wank is masterbate) thought it was used across the globe like most common swear words.

The most likely origin of the word fuck is that it is a derivative of the Dutch word "fokken" which means "to breed".

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Originally Posted by psychocat

The most likely origin of the word fuck is that it is a derivative of the Dutch word "fokken" which means "to breed".

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Everything I have read says it is a very hard word to trace the origin of. I'm sure it's etymology. That sounds like a reasonable guess though. I know most of our complex words derive from latin, most of the common and shorter ones are Germanic.

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Originally Posted by overgrowthegovt

I see your point for sure. I love cursing because of the texturization I believe it brings to my speech, but I use it sparingly so the effect will never be lost. Context....hmmm. Yes, it's all about the perception and the stigma, I guess. For me, "cunt" is no more offensive than "vulva" (and is even a much more beautiful word due to its sheer vibrance and energy: wow, I'm high), but it's so hammered into all of us that certain words are too powerful to be used. That's what it's all about: the power of certain words is frightening. I think the concept of foul language is a fairly recent phenomenon..."cunt" appears in The Canterbury Tales, for example...it didn't become a big deal until later, until, in my theory, the sheer energy packed into that one syllable became unbearable. If the word "love" only referred to the heart-shattering feeling of fleeting oneness that grips us all from time to time, I'm sure it would be used with caution, too. Instead, because it has become so casual ("I love that salad"), it's frequently used. If it referred only to its highest form, it probably would have become associated with the carnal and forbidden too. Plus, I think the sound has to do with it, too..."love" is a soft and delicate word despite the V sound, conjuring up images of languishing on rose petals, whereas anyone who knows love knows that there is much more suffering involved. "Cunt" has a harsh sound that brilliantly displays its vibrance, and ironically it refers to one of the most beautiful things around. "Vagina" to me is an unpleasant word that seems to be a clinical shield against fulling expressing what the thing is, which the c word conveys with all the power it can muster. Humans are strange, and their languages are so fascinating.

To whoever talked about Fornication Under Consent of the King....I always heard For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge as signs above the publically shamed, but either way it's a myth. The word derives from the German, I believe.

If anyone thinks "love" being a dirty word if non-relegated seems a stretch...yes, because of the soft and delicate connotations of the word that glosses over the full reality of what we call love. If there were a word that could encompass the full range of genuine and perceived affection in all its forms...it wouldn't be considered polite.

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I could never have said it better myself!! As clearly I did not. This is the type of intelligent bantor I was looking for, but not just the responses agreeing with me, all sides and views.

they are just words.

however, when overused, the person saying the words looks like a douche bag 9 out of 10 of the times.

exactly....I was fucken going to the fucking store when this fucker.....I know lots of people like that and it does make for an unbearable "deuche Nozzle".

Imagine meeting a friend of mines GF who talks just like that and is also a very intelligent, stunning beauty. Gives you a very odd feeling. This should not be bothersomes to me based on this point of view and is contradictive with my "words are words" take. Very interesting because just goes to show the f/x of society pounding on you that one word is ok and another is bad. I'm ok with cussing but choking a conversation with one "fuck" after another is VERY annoying. Why..who knows. It must be the "diminishing the power of the words" when not necessary theory.

The usage of words is something that amuses me.
Take the word love
Ooooh I love it .......
Do you?
Really ?
Do you crave it as you do the touch of your hearts passion ?

Most of the time the answer will be "NO"!
I like it a lot but I don't truly love it .

This applies to an awful lot of words.

Without humans to create them; interperate them, use them and appreciate them, words mean nothing.