I made a new growers mistake and NUKED my plants in the 2 week stage. I have changed my water and dropped PPms to 250
will my plants come back or are they too far gone?
Please advise....:(
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I made a new growers mistake and NUKED my plants in the 2 week stage. I have changed my water and dropped PPms to 250
will my plants come back or are they too far gone?
Please advise....:(
No i think you have saved them in time. The shock will stunt them a bit for a week but they should be ok. Just keep flushing them out with clean water.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdboy
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Originally Posted by greenfsticky
i concur -- for what it's worth :thumbsup: a little b1 or cal-mag wouldn't hurt...
so are you saying to keep them in the watering system with the 250 ppms and keep flushing with clean water as well? and how much B1 should i use?
or cal/mag? I have them on a 2ce a day watering system is this enough,or should i aslo keep flushing with clean water as well?
thank you for your response
I am curoius to get them back to beautys
I guess my first question woul be.....what exactly happened? And is your ph spot on always (that's just an aside....?)
on the B1- or cal-mag, read the label. I'm a dirt-farmer.....sorry.
as a dirt-farmer, I'd flush those plants with plain ph-correct water for at least a day. I'd also add some h202 at a rate of 1 tablespoon (3% solution) to gallon of water -- to that flush-water.. the extra Oxygen molecule makes the roots happy
and yes, how did this happen?
I shall leave this in Mdm P's capable hands; she seems to know what's going on and I dont have a clue. :D
The plants are two weeks old . The meter i bought was not calculated I thought the pms was 300 . when i changed the water and found out the meter is wrong i figured i was at 900ppm.
I have now switched the water completely out and dropped my ppm to 250 and ph is at 5.5
so now the water i believe is were it should be but i am not sure how much to feed water to them.. and do i flush with just the straight water...
PS :
this is a hydro plant.
I am seeing very little change on them coming back. how lingwill it take to come back...should i cut off the dead leaves ??
Week 1 started with distilled water 1/2 part nuts (what i thougt was 500ppm)
started to see brown edges and leafs found out better to use water and nuts 150 ppm ph 5.5-5.8
(with bad meter readings lowered) plants grew beautiful for 2nd week
week 3 changed water and nuts water and nuts 500-600 ph 5.5 plants 3%peroxide per gallon
started to wilt
thought problem was over water (was watering 3 times daily)
knocked watering down to 2 times daily
plants wilted worse every time
I then found out my neter was not calibrated
changed all water ... no h202- only distilled water dropeed to the correct 200 ppm watering 2ce daily
right now plants are 23 days old under hydro
this is all i have done ....
will they be saved???
Hello birdboy,
Thought I'd drop by since you read my message on the other thread. One of the harshest things that can happen to plant in hydro is overnute....your plants are literally burned up. The damaged portions will not recover I'm afraid, although if the plants produce new growth it should NOT look burned if you have repaired the problem.
You have quite the uphilll battle ahead of you but as I said I personally feel you are in the right hands with Mdm P. Her advice is exactly the same I would give except to say that make sure your ph stays between 5.6-6.0
Check it as often as you need to to make that happen. .
best of luck
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
garsh, thanx. I am a dirt grower, not hydro -- maybe I stuck my foot in my mouth?
what I ment by flush in your hydro is to change out the water completely, balance the PH in the new water, which you did, but don't add any nutes, only Hydrogen Peroxide at a rate of 1tblspoon per gallon.
(use the 3% hydrogen peroxide solution you get at a store or pharmacy, otherwise mix your H2O2 to 3% solution, then add 1tblsp per gallon)
Allow this water-only to cycle through your plants for one 24 hour period, then start your nutes at quarter strength.
The flushiing helps get the chemicals out of the plants roots and allows the plant to just rinse itself out. the plant, if viable, will do the rest.
You will not see the damaged leaves renew.. as weedhound said. you should begin to see new growth w/in two to four days.
you're alternate solution is to start over -- I know... weeks wasted. and I don't think these plants are that bad... but always a consideration. toughest thing I've ever had to do was throw out a sick plant that I couldn't bring back.
Thank you both ... I hope i have not wasted weeks and time ..i guess its a mistake that iwill never repeat.
I have flushed my plants and found the plain water to go up in nut so i am assuming that the plant roots themselves carried way to much nutes in them
I will wait and see
hopefully didnt kill completely
thanks again for your expert advise
youve been helpful
Plus if you can bring the girls back it will be an excellent notch in your growing belt. That's how I've learned everything I know.....by doing it wrong and having to fix it. :D
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
What Weedhound said! :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by birdboy
wow. kewl.
if you think you need to, it wouldn't hurt to run another flush on them in a couple days if you continue to see the ppm's rise. especially if the ppms are too high!
shampoo, rinse, repeat...
*giggle*
(nevermind)
thank you
i can tell you they are starting to look like they are coming back
we did notice the PPMS kept rising se we rinsed again just to make sure we had nutes out. we also added some B-1 to help. thanks for your advice i will postpics when babies are looking better.
thanks doctors...lol
If they seem to be coming back that's GREAT! and props to you for good nursing.
o the plants are not coming back as well as we thought the nutes are stillrsin . we have done what mdmpele sugests and rinse and repeat. OUR NEW question is .......
should or could we transplant these sickly girls into soil.....
save the hassle. or are they going to go more into shock...
right now they are turning from the DARK grean to a light green and the brown patches still are carring up the leaves. \we thought maybe we could transplant into soil and stop trying to be professional hydro and start over as a DIRT FARMER
is this possible??
I've nevert tried it. Mdm P? Got any updated pics birdboy?
I dont have updated pics just yet. will post soon.
heres the scoop.
I pulled one Feminized seeded baby, I found to be a male, from the pack I put him seperate away from the rest under floressant light vs the 1000 w hps where all the other sick girls are at.
I am assuming the male became Male due to the stress I put her under . BUT now under florressant light and away from pack he is growning 2 plus inches and looking great, still has leaves with nuke burn but got NEW GROWTH
I am WONDERING now if I have issues more ... such as enough oxygen supply to room there all in? I have humidifer, heater to control heat at 72 for night, a box air conditioner to control cool, I am noticiing a a white flim on my mylar on the walls. My venting is coming and going from the attic, 6".Ny room is a 7 ft by 7 ft by 10 feet tall lights are 3.5 ft above plants ,so not to burn . the tempature stays 76-80 at all times under light, at night doesnt drop below 72
I ma thinking of taking the girls out of the hydro am am way too confused.
What do you think ?
Aloha BirdboyQuote:
Originally Posted by birdboy
I hate to insert my nose here as you are in excellent hands.
But, I fear you may be too kind to these girls.
I'm referring to the distilled water.
Hydro nutes expect tap water with some "beef"
About 250 ppm of "dirt" in the tap water is a good place to start.
If you use RO or distilled water always add enough Calmag to bring it up to about 250ppm., then mix in the nutes to the proper strength.
I usually run about 800 ppm, but I've seen strains tolerate 1400ppm.
Without a Calmag supplement to distilled water you may see yellowing leaves with large brown spots that go necrotic.:(
Thought I should also mention that hydrotron pellets will saturate with highnutes and will not flush as easily as soil, coco, or rockwool.:twocents:
Carry on.:D
Weezard
The girls are coming back but the biggest issue i am having is the room they are in . I have a box airconditioner in there with them and it seems everytime i put them in the room they sag when i take them out adn let them enjoy sunlight or my florrisant light the perk back up grow . is the box cooler cuasing this?
I am on well water so i was advised not to use my well water .
I have my nutes are at only 140 ppm
when i boosted it to 160 they started to wilt again.
I will be posting pics today for you to see [please advise}
Thank you to everyone who helped me with my girls they are looking wonderful . Thought i would post new pics so you can see what wonders they have survived.
Thanks for al the advice
Way to go, man. Plants are looking good and we learned something new. Everytime I can screw up and recover I learn. If not I start again and learn.
hey there,
so i just wanted to lay a few things out there. im also on well water for the last few months and it comes out about 200ppm and 7.1ph. they seem to like it. heres a pic of my first well water run with bubba kush after 4 weeks of flower. whanted to share because these are also under 1000hps. about 36in tall, had a 3 week veg. they are in black gold coco blend in 12in mesh bottom pots on once a day E&F watering. GH flora 3 part with floralisious+ ;1200-1300ppm. i also add calmag at 3-5ml/gl or up to 10ml/gl retroactive. i use a few other things the last 2-3 weeks. it normally takes me about 2ml/gl of ph down to hit 6.0ph.
i also used hydroton at one point but they are a bitch to clean and flush. its all now part of a landfill.
are you testing your flush runoff? how long have you been flushing now? i dont think they will live too long or do very well at 150ppm... im kinda confused...what knid of tester are you using?
also you need to fill this out as best you can with as much info as you can:thumbsup:
H=Answer if you grow hydro or aero
C=Answer if you grow coco
S=Answer if you grow traditional soil
L=Answer if you grow soilless other than coco (Promix, Hyponex, SunshineMix)
R=Answer if you grow in RockWool
T=Answer if you grow in HydroTon
D=Answer if you run any type of automatic drip system, including into soil or soilless
E= EVERYONE needs to answer lol!
E-indoor or outdoor
E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic
E-specific medium
CSL-Soil type/brand
HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH
E-Water source
E-Source water pH
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)
E-Age of plant
E-Type of fertilizer
E-Rate of application (if hydro, this is your PPM number, preferably after each component is added)
E-Lighting source and distance from plant
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period)
HD-Reservoir temperature
E-Air % Relative humidity
E-Lighting schedule
E-Type of ventilation your room has
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution?
I am now at 180 ppms and slowly adding more nutes per day.
We flushed and tested adn the ppms were coming out from straight clean water and peroxide to 150 ppms once we flushed for 24 hours we started back on the nutes at 120 adn then gradually have been increasing the nutes as welll as adding cal-mag ]
the girls have grown 2 -4 inches since they have had the flush
I am believing the nute burn is gone and now we are just starting back fresh
with them.
we also stopped using the box airconditioner and they started perking up as well as now under florrisant lights and turnign green again.
i was told once by the owner of my hydro shop that any ac unit not designed for the grow room needs to be placed outside the room and then duct the cold air into the room. that may have just been because of the heat output of the ac unit, or the smell, but if you dont want to spend the 500 for new gorw ac then you may want to look up more info on it.
I would guess an a/c unit in a growroom is bad as it draws all the moisture out of the air, they are basically a dehumidifier. The water that is produced by them is what was your humidity!
Subzero. :thumbsup:
I am a newbie 13 days into hydrophonic grownth.
PH 5.75
Nutrients 9 EC using calibrated Nutrient meter with auto temp compensation.
Temp 80 degees.
Lights 600 watt incandecent equivalent Florescent grow bulbs in reflectors 3 inces above plants, on 24/7.
One plant got root damage due to my being clumbsy.
4 small fans running 24/7.
Small closet door open 24/7.
I am loosing bottom leaves but on healthy plant new growth at node of each fallen leaf. I have left leaves
on until they either fall off or new growth is looking viable.
Is it normal for bottom leaves to fall off?
I also have pictures but do not know how to post them here. Any help with posting picture would be helpful aldo.
Thank You,
Cheryl
:)
I am so sorry. I thought that I was posting a new topic. I did not mean to hijack your thread. I could not find any way
to delete it either. In the future, I will try to be more careful.
I am referring to to the above post by me of course.
i only wis my well water came out at 200 pm
It comes out at 700 PPM and 7.1 PH
I havent found a way to drop that so to be safe to my investment I buy water.
I do want to post NEW pics after babying these girls, nursing them back to health. I VERY satisfied on theyway they are looking.
check out my new pics