U.S lies about circumstances surrounding saddams capture

Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction





United Press International


A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said.

"We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said.

He said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then they shouted at him in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting."

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said.

Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.
http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/s...0-21C8818788D4
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/40310
http://www.informedpublic.com/2005/0...ture-fake.html

^funny how mainstream press only gave a brief mention of this, hell most press didnt even mention it. unbiased press, i think not.

another example of lies surrounding the war in iraq. its disgusting how the press, supposively the voice of the people gives a pass to this administration on every issue.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43217

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Pentagon: Saddam capture
not fabricated by military
Saudi newspaper interviews 'former Marine' who says troops didn't catch Hussein in hole

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Posted: March 9, 2005
7:15 p.m. Eastern



© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com



Pentagon says Saddam Hussein was captured in this 'spider hole'

Was Saddam Hussein hiding in an underground bunker when he was captured, or was he caught in a house?

The Pentagon is flatly denying a report claiming the U.S. military fabricated the details of how the deposed Iraqi dictator was captured, allegedly staging the "spider hole" scenario.

"It's not true, period," Pentagon spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin told WorldNetDaily.


She was referring to a story originally published by the Saudi newspaper al-Medina, and picked up by United Press International, which had quotes from someone identified as Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, a former Marine who is said to have participated in the capture of Hussein.

He was quoted as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, a day earlier than the official version of the U.S. military.

"I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said. "We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed."

The UPI version continued to say Abou Rabeh said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from a second-floor window, as forces shouted in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting."

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh told the paper.

WND contacted UPI about its story, and was told "United Press International published a summary of the newspaper report without seeking Pentagon comment."

The wire service has since posted an updated version, which states:

"Pentagon officials dismissed as 'ridiculous' and untrue a report that the capture of Saddam Hussein in Iraq was staged.

"A Saudi Arabian newspaper reported Tuesday that a former U.S. Marine, now living in Lebanon, claimed the Iraqi dictator had been captured earlier by a small team of troops, and forced into the now famous 'spider hole' to play a role in a film fabricated by the U.S. military to make Saddam look bad."

A Marine Corps captain contacted by WorldNetDaily was unable to confirm by press time if the Marine mentioned in the story was indeed in that branch of the armed forces.

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Saddam caught!

now why is he telling them the "official" story if they were there...?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/121803hickey.html

Col. Hickey tells his troops to keep quiet about Saddam capture

It sounds to me that Hickey is giving them what turned out to be the official story before warning them to shut up about what really happened. Why would Hickey need to tell them that he was found 'literally hiding in a hole' if they had found him? They would already know this. This is consistent with reports claiming Saddam was handed over to the US by Kurdish militia on November 20-23.

^^lol, we all know the pentagon always tells the truth (sarcasm)

Lies, all lies.... Media is shit, I've come to the point where I don't believe anything anymore unless I see it in person. It's too easy to edit tapes to make them look like whatever the government wants us to see. God forbid they should show Saddam resisting and firing back at the marines, they had to show the more humiliating version, completely false, so that we could point our fingers, get a good laugh, and then feel better about ourselves.

Hey PH do you remember that famous newspaper editor who slammed all press a few decades back saying something to the effect of "you know your not gonna tell the truth and whats on your mind tomorrow because you'de lose your jobs in a second" during his retirement speech or something?

"Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well


how many wells u seen with a fan ?

bullshit

man will yaw please stop propoganda shit like this
what is your piont
are you on saddams side of this you want him back in power over there?

i hate mr bush
but fuck stop with the made up shit
it helps him actually cuase most people see such bullshit and think all you say is same things and they are mis configured bits of truth to fit your reality of it,

enough real shit is wrong without yaw spreading fake ass rumors and shit too.you actually cloud up the issues

dont you realize this ?
cant you see that when some shit like that is read and thought about its all the same.
its not true just cuase YOUR idiot says so iether,!!

im not bothered much by it at all but wanted to piont out that


and say

you people that are so up your own ass about this anti american goverment thing,
everything it does to you is wrong,
well take note i dont want to Replace or take over or change my goverment,
just some of the laws,some of its polocies,(weed laws for example)some foriegn polocy
and a long list of others.
pionts out
not all they do is bad and compared to other country's
its no where near the worst.
peace

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man will yaw please stop propoganda shit like this

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Yeah, I wish they'd post things revealing the real stuff, like that that man isn't Saddam Hussein but one of the probably 10 doubles they have of him and it was all a well-timed/calculated stunt designed to garner support for the war on terror and Iraq occupation. Nothing about that event strikes as even remotely true. If the Saddam capture really were authentic, we'd have gotten more than a few seconds of footage of him being searched and a few photos of him being pulled out of a "spider hole" (a spider hole, of all places... don't forget the Mars bars and Dove soap etc. they found him with), which, strange enough, look remarkably posed, and then never hear about or see him again.

But I keep forgetting things like like that are impossible to pull off; the media isn't controlled nor can they hire actors to make up and say things on their behalf.

The bigger the lie, the more people tend to believe it...

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Yeah, I wish they'd post things revealing the real stuff, like that that man isn't Saddam Hussein but one of the probably 10 doubles they have of him and it was all a well-timed/calculated stunt designed to garner support for the war on terror and Iraq occupation. Nothing about that event strikes as even remotely true. If the Saddam capture really were authentic, we'd have gotten more than a few seconds of footage of him being searched and a few photos of him being pulled out of a "spider hole" (a spider hole, of all places... don't forget the Mars bars and Dove soap etc. they found him with), which, strange enough, look remarkably posed, and then never hear about or see him again.

But I keep forgetting things like like that are impossible to pull off; the media isn't controlled nor can they hire actors to make up and say things on their behalf.

The bigger the lie, the more people tend to believe it...

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Well said that man !

Manipulation of the media isn't exactly a new idea , I believe George Orwell would be mighty proud of the current state of affairs in the US.

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Originally Posted by weirdo79

Hey PH do you remember that famous newspaper editor who slammed all press a few decades back saying something to the effect of "you know your not gonna tell the truth and whats on your mind tomorrow because you'de lose your jobs in a second" during his retirement speech or something?

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i do know what you're referring to...i can't think of who said it though. now that's going to bug me...i'll have to try to find it.

HA yes now its bugging you!!! Now I can stop looking for it lol ;) , you'll find it before me your a much better navigator at finding stuff like that. If it helps it was in one of yours or Forced's posts on marihemp a long time ago. (but I doubt that helps)

I think if they faked it they would have done it closer to the election.

old news,he was on the news like 3 weeks ago saying he was taken outta context.he was with reporter from saudi arabia that confirmed it.

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Originally Posted by m and m

Yeah, I wish they'd post things revealing the real stuff, like that that man isn't Saddam Hussein but one of the probably 10 doubles they have of him and it was all a well-timed/calculated stunt designed to garner support for the war on terror and Iraq occupation. Nothing about that event strikes as even remotely true. If the Saddam capture really were authentic, we'd have gotten more than a few seconds of footage of him being searched and a few photos of him being pulled out of a "spider hole" (a spider hole, of all places... don't forget the Mars bars and Dove soap etc. they found him with), which, strange enough, look remarkably posed, and then never hear about or see him again.

But I keep forgetting things like like that are impossible to pull off; the media isn't controlled nor can they hire actors to make up and say things on their behalf.

The bigger the lie, the more people tend to believe it...

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listen this is a fact

any US soldier get saddam in his sites and he got a gun
he would be dead
the fucker didnt want blown to bits he came out his hole
plain as that

why so hard to believe
if he would have made a stand you would have had only DNA to identify him by so get over it
your hero is locked up gonna be shot after a trial by his people
thanks

Who's hero is he supposed to be? Where do you get that shit? There prolly isn't a single person on these boards that even likes saddam.

I dont find this story at all far fetched, but then again i dont have any proof either, so i'll just withhold whatever BASELESS opinions i might have, as should you. BTW, you call those the facts?

I call b.s. on this.

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Who's hero is he supposed to be? Where do you get that shit? There prolly isn't a single person on these boards that even likes saddam.

I dont find this story at all far fetched, but then again i dont have any proof either, so i'll just withhold whatever BASELESS opinions i might have, as should you. BTW, you call those the facts?

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if you think that saddam put up any fight whatso ever and lived
your gullable,and thats plian as that
it is a fact to me
if you spread crap propoganda that is designed to help saddams Image
then he is your fucking hero and you are helping the prick even if your not aware of it,
my opinions aint baseless
any soldier would have shot his ass had he not not said
"please no shoot me i give up"
the proof is > he is still alive right now < and we aint throwing some farmboy from kansas one hell of a parade down time square for bagging that sack of shit saddam and ending all this crap then and there.
if you think he fought it out ?shot at them marines ect your a fool.
if your spreading hopes and thoughts say so,but accussing the troops of lying about dragging that fucker out of a hiding hole is
THE only BULLSHIT here.
dont post how the USA did some bad ass shit by hunting down this bastard who for decades did all he did,and said fuck you what you gonna do about it,well HE FOUND out didnt he,he hid his lil ass in a hole and told others to go die for him,and when it came time to make that so called STAND
he didnt,he knew the farmboys would be more than happy to be the one shoot him ,thinking now they can go home out this god forsaken cesspool of a dessert hell of hate and death back to thier families,
hang the trophy over the fireplace to tell the grandkids one day
yea i shot that dam saddam right between the eyes when he didnt give up.
you dont know soldiers,any one of them would have gladly shot him.
saddam was the top prize to those in iraq,so he did not do anything but surrender when he was cornered
that is the facts and it bugs me when you bullshiters put down heroic acts of our troops like that,for whatever reasons war happens,them guys who serve deserve more than your lies about the enemies,"reputation "
happy fucking easter and i hope its saddam's last one on earth.

All personal opinion, and nothing more.

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if you think that saddam put up any fight whatso ever and lived
your gullable,and thats plian as that
it is a fact to me
if you spread crap propoganda that is designed to help saddams Image
then he is your fucking hero and you are helping the prick even if your not aware of it,
my opinions aint baseless
any soldier would have shot his ass had he not not said
"please no shoot me i give up"
the proof is > he is still alive right now < and we aint throwing some farmboy from kansas one hell of a parade down time square for bagging that sack of shit saddam and ending all this crap then and there.
if you think he fought it out ?shot at them marines ect your a fool.
if your spreading hopes and thoughts say so,but accussing the troops of lying about dragging that fucker out of a hiding hole is
THE only BULLSHIT here.
dont post how the USA did some bad ass shit by hunting down this bastard who for decades did all he did,and said fuck you what you gonna do about it,well HE FOUND out didnt he,he hid his lil ass in a hole and told others to go die for him,and when it came time to make that so called STAND
he didnt,he knew the farmboys would be more than happy to be the one shoot him ,thinking now they can go home out this god forsaken cesspool of a dessert hell of hate and death back to thier families,
hang the trophy over the fireplace to tell the grandkids one day
yea i shot that dam saddam right between the eyes when he didnt give up.
you dont know soldiers,any one of them would have gladly shot him.
saddam was the top prize to those in iraq,so he did not do anything but surrender when he was cornered
that is the facts and it bugs me when you bullshiters put down heroic acts of our troops like that,for whatever reasons war happens,them guys who serve deserve more than your lies about the enemies,"reputation "
happy fucking easter and i hope its saddam's last one on earth.

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I'm practically speechless after reading that.

The point isn't that Saddam is my hero or that I'm trying to help his image or that he prevented himself from being shot at by surrendering to the troops. I'm saying that the whole thing was staged with the use of a double, and it doesn't take much discernment to see that possibility given the nature of the government and how badly Bush needed/needs public support, as well as the way it was reported in the media (it is reminiscent of a movie the way things just seem to fall in place, with first Saddam's sons being captured and soon after Saddam at Christmas time... they'll probably end up capturing Zarqawi first and subsequently capture Bin Laden months to a year later). I don't like Saddam at all, but whoever that bum is that they "captured" -- that's not him.

"for whatever reasons war happens"

Right, let's just not think about the reasons for war or all the strange circumstances surrounding and leading up to it; let's ignore all the lies... war "just happens" and we have to accept what the god-like men in power decide is best for the world, and that people don't even have the intelligence to resolve conflicts without the use of high tech weapons and murdering tens of thousands of people. Or maybe it's just an ignorant population that can't pick up on the fact that their leaders are bloody servants of SATAN who don't give two craps about human life, and are lying about practically everything they endeavor.

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I'm practically speechless after reading that.

The point isn't that Saddam is my hero or that I'm trying to help his image or that he prevented himself from being shot at by surrendering to the troops. I'm saying that the whole thing was staged with the use of a double, and it doesn't take much discernment to see that possibility given the nature of the government and how badly Bush needed/needs public support, as well as the way it was reported in the media (it is reminiscent of a movie the way things just seem to fall in place, with first Saddam's sons being captured and soon after Saddam at Christmas time... they'll probably end up capturing Zarqawi first and subsequently capture Bin Laden months to a year later). I don't like Saddam at all, but whoever that bum is that they "captured" -- that's not him.

"for whatever reasons war happens"

Right, let's just not think about the reasons for war or all the strange circumstances surrounding and leading up to it; let's ignore all the lies... war "just happens" and we have to accept what the god-like men in power decide is best for the world, and that people don't even have the intelligence to resolve conflicts without the use of high tech weapons and murdering tens of thousands of people. Or maybe it's just an ignorant population that can't pick up on the fact that their leaders are bloody servants of SATAN who don't give two craps about human life, and are lying about practically everything they endeavor.

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that is saddam,and those idea's are silly and uninformed.get back to reality

I don't think they're silly and uninformed at all. There's plenty more evidence pointing towards the capture being fake than there was of Saddam being a threat to the States. Bush supporters are the ones who need to get back to reality.

except the evidence of the 100 people there.al queda had training camps north of baghdad(zarqawi),game over.

former U.S. Marine, now living in Lebanon

identified as Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh,
who is said to have participated in the capture of Hussein.


A Marine Corps captain contacted by WorldNetDaily was unable to confirm by press time if the Marine mentioned in the story was indeed in that branch of the armed forces.

rumors

nice,he went on some shows saying the papers had made stuff up to put a better spin on the story.poor al jasmeera.

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I don't think they're silly and uninformed at all. There's plenty more evidence pointing towards the capture being fake than there was of Saddam being a threat to the States. Bush supporters are the ones who need to get back to reality.

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your dreaming
any soldier would have killed him and had a parade for it
the gun would be a museum piece soon after
so your fulll of shit
i dont support bush
i just no Crap when i read it