clone issues, tell me what you guys think.

hey guys, this is my first stab at cloning, im on day 8 now and things arent lookin too good...not terrible yet though.

im using an ez cloner, ph never goes outside of 5.8-6.3 range. water temp stays between 75-80º. air temp is set at 70, humidity is usually around 90% and nothin fluctuates much at all, im able to keep all that stuff pretty consistant.

roots started showing on day 2, and only a few of them are showing really good root growth, thre rest just have some roots here and there. but my main concern is the way the plants look, which im guessing is causing slow root growth. the plants just never perked up, all are just droopy and sad looking with leaves slowly dying off. im guessing it has something to do with my LED lighting (bought some panels to do a side by side grow and am using them to clone/veg also.) what do you guys think? lights are reccomended distance away.

oh yeah, since most of the plants were showing roots i went ahead and gave them some nutes which hasnt seemed to help, def hasnt hurt either though.
2.5mlaqua flakes, 1.1ml roots excelurator and .4ml drip clean.

wow those look bad. you shoulda kept the water clean with out nutes. i got an ez clone too and dont use nutes in it at all, i just use a little bit of root hormone(mostly used to prevent air bubbles cause you really dont need hormones for bubble cloners). when i place the cutting in it, the cuttings will perk up in like 3 hours and stand up like normal plants. here was my check list. tell me if you followed it. it also maybe the intensity of your light.

1. leach out the mother plant with h2O a week prior to taking cuttings off.
2. the day of cutting your mother give it another watering.
3. prep all your tools
4. make a cut 3-4 nodes down, place cutting directly in some water or root hormone to prevent air bubbles in the main stem.
5. trim the fan leaves
6. make sure the cloner temp dont get past 78! mine got hot so i just placed a little fan on it and it cooled it down

if there is something i missed guys add it in please!

Before you put the cuttings in take a sharp razor and lightly shave at the bottom 1/4 ' of the clone this will stimulate the roots to poke out a lot easier because the outer part of the stem isnt coated as hard

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Originally Posted by cigarettes42

wow those look bad. you shoulda kept the water clean with out nutes. i got an ez clone too and dont use nutes in it at all, i just use a little bit of root hormone(mostly used to prevent air bubbles cause you really dont need hormones for bubble cloners). when i place the cutting in it, the cuttings will perk up in like 3 hours and stand up like normal plants. here was my check list. tell me if you followed it. it also maybe the intensity of your light.

1. leach out the mother plant with h2O a week prior to taking cuttings off.
2. the day of cutting your mother give it another watering.
3. prep all your tools
4. make a cut 3-4 nodes down, place cutting directly in some water or root hormone to prevent air bubbles in the main stem.
5. trim the fan leaves
6. make sure the cloner temp dont get past 78! mine got hot so i just placed a little fan on it and it cooled it down

if there is something i missed guys add it in please!

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the clones were already cut when i got em so im not sure how he did it. the guy does have a lot of experience, so i dont think the problem was before i got em.

the light guy suggested 12-36'', i started out at 36'' and been lowering little by little tryin to find the sweet spot but im down to 14'' and they havnt responded to the light height at all. they just slowly lose leaves from the bottom up. the main stem stands up but all the fan leaves stay droopy.

what about co2 levels? i run a sealed room and i currently have it set at 350 but when i work in there it can easily raise well above 1500.

how did he give them to you? did he protect the stems from air bubbles going into them or did he clip and put the cuttings in the cloner for you?

they were dipped and then put into a cup of water, 30 to a cup (60 total) and then gave them to me taped up in a coors box. i got them to my place and put them in to my cloner that was set to the specs mentioned above.

Try a clear lid/dome for the first 4-5 days....my starts will droop for the first day or 2... then they stand up

Ease-up on lighting. The idea is to get the buried stem to produce roots, and keep the foliar growth to a minimum. I veg with a 400w MH, which remains about 12-18 inches from my rooted youngsters. Unrooted clones I keep at around 24 to 30 inches. Just enough light to keep 'em alive, but not enough to get mad growth above ground.

Keep the enviornment humid by using a dome or cover, but don't spray the clones every 20 minutes. Humidity stress (constantly wet leaves) will prevent the leaves from 'breathing', and it will eventually stop taking any moisture from the soil. This can stop all root development, and cause mold or fungus to grow. Remove cover for a few minutes, once a day at least, to provide fresh air.

Also, I scrape the lower part of the stem, down to the cambium layer. (just below the stem outer layer) I lightly scrape the bottom 1 inch or so of the stem with scissors or a knife....on opposing sides of the stem. Don't go overboard. Just enough to remove top layer of stem. that will get coated in the dipping gel, or whatever you use. It is this layer that produces the root cells. Stem layers - Cambium Also, keep in mind the pix in the link are a tad out of scale for cannabis clones, but it gives you a good idea what I'm talking about.

Like cigarettes42 mentioned...keeping the air bubbles out of the stem is rather important. Vegetable matter, along with stagnant air and water, usually results in rot. If you purchased the clones, I personally would still make a fresh cut while the stem is underwater, and let it remain in the water till it's time to dip and plant 'em.

ive been slimed! opened her up this morning and brown slime everywhere! from what i read, im F-ed in the A. anything? should i expect this in my ebb and flow system now?

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ive been slimed! opened her up this morning and brown slime everywhere! from what i read, im F-ed in the A. anything? should i expect this in my ebb and flow system now?

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What kind of airpump/stones do you use with the system, almost sounds like a lack of oxygen in the nutrient solution?!? Probably best to use plain pH'ed water, thats all I use.
Also, what type of LED's are you using? I had one of those boards that are about a foot square with 225 LED's and it was worse than useless... I now use 6400k CFL's and all is good.

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What kind of airpump/stones do you use with the system, almost sounds like a lack of oxygen in the nutrient solution?!? Probably best to use plain pH'ed water, thats all I use.
Also, what type of LED's are you using? I had one of those boards that are about a foot square with 225 LED's and it was worse than useless... I now use 6400k CFL's and all is good.

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im not sure of the brand, ill check later, but i dont think the guy switched anything up from when he bought it.

ive been putting 7tbsp in my res every day (15 gal res) plus 2 air stones!

the leds are from Go Green Grow Lights the diodes arent the 5mm diodes and there is 2 blue wavelengths and 3 red covering the blue red spectrum

honestly i think rusty T is right about the lights. you said you were getting roots developing at first with the lights high up untill you started lowering it. when you lowered it, the clones focus prolly turned around and started on the leaves rather than the roots causing them to root out like that. plus i think all that crap your adding to the water isnt helping at all!!. i dont think its lack of oxegen in the water cause the spray heads imo do the work, most people that make these diy cloners dont even use em with great results. this is mine after 9 days. i just use plain ph ro water at 6.3 with temps around 72-75. the light above is "1" t5 light (i unhooked 3 bulbs from my 4 bulb t5 setup) at about 13 inches from the top. since you cant unhook any of your led diodes raise it up really high. as of your slime, i have no idea how to fix it cause i never came across that type of situation. i heard hydroperoxide helps but dont know if that will cure your prob. good luck next time. just remember do like rusty said "make a fresh cut on your clone for air bubbles" and raise that light. i also would just use plain water with root hormone on the root so it dont get airbubbles while putting it in the cloner. good luck next time bro!

hey how come you got 2 cann.com accounts? or is it someone else saying they got slimed?

Bummer about the slime. Wish I could help more, but sorry...I'm a soil guy.

Nice clone porn, cig. :thumbsup:

thanks for all the input guys

this is where im at now..
i went into my room today and said fuck it, all my stems were coated with that brown slime. when i started taking the plants out, there were roots like crazys up insde the insert, some were even growing threw and then out the bottom of the insert but not on the exposed slimey stem.
so anyway, im taking all my trays, resevoirs and the easy cloner out and cleaning them with hydrogen peroxide. next time threw im just going to use PHed water w/hydrogen peroxide. no roots excel. or anything. im assuming my temps and everything were good.
lack of oxygen could be a problem too though since i run a sealed room. maybe put a dome on top and let fresh air in, cuz otherwise i wouldnt be able to keep my humidity up if i opened my room to the outside. or you think the water supplys enough oxygen to the roots.
howd you keep your res. temps that low? i guess i should get a aquarium cooler.

n cig, i just ditched my old email address, too much junk mail, had it since highschool. mods can feel free to delete the [email protected] acct.

i wouldnt even put peroxide in your water, just put root hormone on the stems to seal it before going in the cloner. also keep your airstones in it. cleaning the ez-clone machine is just by adding a cup of bleach after you fill it up full with water and let it run for about 30 minutes, after it ran put your neoprene collars in there and give em some dunking then rinse all of it out well. i kept my temps kinda stable by keeping my single t5 up high and a fan blowing on the res, plus its seperate from my flower/veg chambers, plus my room temp is 72degrees. also you dont need to worry about humidity dome. my rooms rh is 20-30% the cloner keeps the moisture to the roots so the leaves never get a chance to transpire all its water out. oh and thanks rusty, i knew there is always appreciation for plant porn.