hey, Kool-Aid drinkers ! :D , listening to Los Angeles radio this morning, five more L.A. dispensaries were taken down ... 'Change ?', not with a cabinet full of old Clinton re-treads ... :S3:
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hey, Kool-Aid drinkers ! :D , listening to Los Angeles radio this morning, five more L.A. dispensaries were taken down ... 'Change ?', not with a cabinet full of old Clinton re-treads ... :S3:
wow...so they are actually startin to crack down on the weed dispensaries? i figured it was only a matter of time...hate to say it but most of the people i have met here in WA state that are connected to the "medical marijuana" dispensaries are a bunch of drug dealers...they are not in it for "medical" purposes at all...and i think MOST of these dispensaries in CA are much the same...i know a guy who works for a county in south CA that has a medical weed card...he told me most of the dispensaries are run by gangs...
Last time I check, WA was like OR, and didnt have dispensaries. I thought they had patient, caregiver, grower... and sometimes there's a co-op, where 2-5 people make the same person their caregiver/grower and he grows for all of them.
But this sickens me also, Washington playing the same old game, to bring the same old pain.
well the problem is: corruption ! us true patients cant afford to buy any meds the gangs have jacked the prices up, and dont have any place to grow them, and noone is giving any to us , so the gangs have gone to the corrupt greedy doctors and gotten scripts and started up dispenciaries because they are the only ones with $$$ to startup and they run the california medical mariuana trade ! i would like to thank our state leaders as this was thier responsibility, too ensure the we have safe access I haven't had any meds in months! fuck them i got my doctor too up my dosage of oxycontin as thats all i can get. corruption greed capitalism at its finest:mad:
yeah they have a co-op...i thought that was the same thing??
either way... that sucks...i cant believe people are being prescribed shit like OC over marijuana...i have seen so many peoples lives ruined because of OC's...
Different player, same game.
And this will also be the down side of any legalization. You'll always have the unethical and corrupt people looking to get rich quick. It is truely sad to see how greed seems to play such an important part of out society today.
Washington...gangs...corruption...it's enough to make one sick...I saw some report yesterday on how Mexican drug cartels grow a lot of pot in Californian state parks, and Bush's drug czar referred to it as growing poison...all sad stuff. Stupid gangs, stupid politicians...who needs 'em I say.
No! Uh Wait! This can't be, Obama was going to legalize, err.. uh decriminalize...err...um..wha...I mean "end the raids"....er uh wait...no I mean take it easy on MMJ...uh, no that's not it, what was it??? Oh yeah.
Give the ignorant lip service in the form of youtube clips, and a website where they could show everyone, that everyone loves weed. That's IT!:thumbsup:
But I am sure it just slipped his mind, as well as the democratically controlled congress that actually has the power to reschedule cannabis or even better, have it removed period. They are probably gonna get right to that.
Or better yet, maybe the only other person with that power will do it, you know our AG Mr. Holder. You know THE GUY OBAMMERS HAND PICKED!!! HE COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANYONE HE CHOSE HIM!
And as for the state of California and it's MMJ laws, that's working out just swell. Although the dispencaries are not in any way all run by gangs, there are some bad ones. Most of the folks that have taken the time to work within all city ordinances, obtain business licenses, sale permits, pay local, state, AND FEDERAL INCOME TAXES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, are pretty straight. Sadly they are the easy targets, where as most actual criminal enterprises will not operate in this manner, hence dispenceries opening after moratoriums ect...
Point is, there are bad people in every business, but in this one, they usually get away with it, because the DEA is too busy orgasming over how they busted legit clinics because they are lazy and it's much easier than going after people that don't follow the rules and make themselves low hanging pieces of fruit while operating in good faith.
As for Obammers, I know some of us here are not surprised in the least bit, and some maybe are I guess.
IF you are......
just go sit down and have a big glass of kool aid, after all, he's busy "saving....the worlds economy"...hardeeharhar.
And if you believe that...;)
Change? Change? Hello? MCfly? HE'S BLACK!!!! Duh. That's the change, that's it. Usually the president is white, hellooooooooooo.Quote:
Originally Posted by the image reaper
Aside from that I don't see any change, so that has to be in fact the "Change" that he promised everyone, well congratulations, he came through, sure enough. Now for the first time we have a half black man with a muslim name in the white house pretending like cannabis is a scourge on our society and it's proponents need to live as 2nd class citizens, instead of some old white guy. Hip hip hooray.:S4::yippee::yippee:
As far as co-ops...they are just modern day bootleggers....If you feel you need MJ medically grow it yourself...dont rely on other individuals (co-ops) to feed your need.
You grow it yourself you know whats been done or added to it....I havent had to buy weed in years.
Did you really think things would change......Politicians will Piss on your leg and tell ya its raining
Yup, you got it ... couldn't agree more ... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13
I would have expected a guy named Holder to be a little more lenient.
"Hey, Holder, you holdin'?"
"Hell yeah, I'm holdin'. That's why they call me Holder, dumbass."
gangs = protectionQuote:
Originally Posted by Stigma420247
police = protection
gray area politics = no protection
idk...
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Yo man Holder is holdin' that bomb Obama!:jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
OOps, betcha that ends up on some homeland security radar!!! Chatter!:D
LOL
Does anyone know if these dispensaries were the gang ones? Or were they legit?
Veggi;Quote:
Originally Posted by veggii
First, sorry that things are still not better for you. Wish I lived closer to ya, I'd try to help you out.
Second, you have it right. Everything about the California model of "compassinate care" stinks. It is also making it difficult to advance the medical use agenda in other states. Just the other night on CNBC they where showing a news special called Marijanna, Inc. showing the problems in Mendicino Cnty stemming from it.
And my biggest pive is the prices at these "dispenseries"; street prices or HIGHER. Where the fuck is the compassion? How is a person suppose to afford it?
I live in a state that does not recognize medical use of MJ. I work with both a cancer group and a hospice to try and help people who are sick or dying. Many are older folks who have a hard time with the negative stigma associated with MJ and many would benifit from it. But if they can get over the stigma, now tell them what help will cost.....they will never even try it.
I provide MJ to patients for free. Mostly because I believe in it's use so much, but also should I ever have a legal problem, some DA is going to have a "rough row to hoe" in trying to convict (in front of a jury) an old man accused of giving giving away pot for free, to sick and dying people.
(BTW, I'm no saint I also sell some stuff commercially so that I can supplement by meger retirement income and not be a burden to my children or grand-children)
There must be a better way to have medical MJ then what is going on in Cal.
We all must work to try to get the goverment to understand that a man made government has no right to outlaw a God given plant!
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Originally Posted by apocolips31
^^^
I call bullshit!!!
Obama would not be wearing a flag pin.
Seesh!:D
Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | ReutersQuote:
"We hope these recent raids don't represent official administration policy and that Obama will order federal agencies in no uncertain terms to stop harassing medical marijuana patients and providers in California," he said.
White House spokesman Nick Shapiro on Wednesday reiterated Obama's stance that "federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws."
"And as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.
Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington said, "The DEA shouldn't need a memo from the White House to know that undermining the will of California voters is a waste of taxpayer money."
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by RamblerGambler
Pullen said, "There has been no direction as to a change in how we ... enforce federal law." The DEA is a Justice Department agency.
That's classic!
If you read it, where the ... is, close your eyes, and picture her saying it,
"There has been no direction as to a "change" in how we...(says, "uh, huum, hmmmmm," as she holds back a case of the giggles, and through a ear to ear grin goes on to finish with) enforce federal law."
I am still waiting for someone anyone to explain specifically, exactly what Obama was going to do to end the raids, short of declaring himself supreme ruler of the Universe and relocating to a mountain stronghold deep in a volcano with lots of stainless steel everywhere. Shiny.:D:jointsmile:
What the fuck was he going to ever do! LOL, c'mon now really folks.....;)
So far he is living up to my expectations, I for one won't be calling him out on anything with regard to his position, I had a translater in my head, the government put a chip in me! HA HA HA From what I can tell he is doing exactly what I thought he would do. Can't figure out why anyone would be "confused" or questioning his position on the issue, I thought that he made it crystal clear, clear as mud for some maybe, but like I said I got a chip in my head!:stoned::D:jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by RamblerGambler
I wanted to translate this for fun.
White House spokesman Nick Shapiro on Wednesday reiterated Obama's stance that "federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws."
(Means exactly what it says, not a whole lot. Depends on what the definition of is is. Depends what you mean by circumventing state laws.)
"And as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.
(This is called lip service, to appease a fringe group in his party. They are going to review, REVIEW, "REVIEW" the policies with what in mind? Oh yeah, don't circumvent state laws. Right. I am sure our democratic big government congress and senate will really help hold his feet to the fire on that too! GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT SHIT! LMFAO!!!)
Bill Piper of the Drug Policy Alliance in Washington said, "The DEA shouldn't need a memo from the White House to know that undermining the will of California voters is a waste of taxpayer money."Medical pot backers say L.A. raids betray Obama vow | Reuters
Nothing that this guy says matters anymore than anything you or I say, he is just a guy, he does not determine or influence federal policy. They might as well got fucking Rusty Trichome to give a statement, no offense Rusty, just trying to point out that this is just a normal guy like you or I. Er uh I guess.:D:jointsmile:
The jist of it.
Expect nothing, cause that is what we are getting for the foreseeable (sp) future.
You never know though,
maybe,
if you "hope" hard enough......:thumbsup:
People should know by now that if it comes out of a politicians mouth, and sounds too good to be true, it's bullshit. Obama knew just what to say to get gullible people to vote for him, and that they did.
It was still fun to hope for a little while...
Cummon guys, he's only been in for two weeks. For a US government to say something like that is kinda awesome. Look on the bright side of life fellow tokers! :rastasmoke:
While I don't think all our dispensaries are run by gangs and some of them are run by some nice people they are still all run as a for profit business and maybe their prices are so high because they need to worry about legal fees and losing meds and operating hours to these raid.
oh come on. The dude just took office- I think he has a few bigger fish to fry.... such as... you know....the economy going to hell... and 2 wars across the god damn globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
It took the government weeks to get fresh water to the people DYING in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, I think its going to take a while to get the ball rolling here folks. stop being so impatient
LOL, yeah, suchas, the economy. We're going to pass a bill full of massive spending and tax cuts to fix our economy. The guy's a flipping idiot. You can't put gasoline on a fire and expect it to go out. Unless his administration cuts spending, (which they wont) our problems are only going to get much worse. And using your logic, until he "fixes" the economy he's going to continue to let the DEA do their thing. So the next four to ten or fifteen years the raids will continue :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by FeedmeWeed
I think it is a little early to say for sure what Obama's policy will be. He has said he doesn't want to waste federal money overriding the policies of individul states, but since that is definitely a shift in policy, it will take some time to implement.
It may well be that these raids were an attempt by some element of the DEA that disagrees with the new policy to get in a parting shot or force an issue before the new policy is introduced. Or it could just be a timing thing with long term operations that were already under way for some time. I would not read too much into it unless the trend continues. It takes awhile for new policy to get set, communicated and implemented throughout a bureaucracy.
For once, i wish that a dispensary owner would use some of their other ammendments and arm themselves. 6 masked men coming into my shop, I though I was being robbed, I was on my prescribed xanax and did not notice the little dea on their jackets, had my beer, and shot those evil doers dead. Just once, just for once get the govnt scared of the people, the way the Dec of Indep inteded it to be.
Somewhat out of line, I guess, but Im a Marine fed up with prescription drugs being marketed within 100 ft of a school zone on television on all hours of the night, and then you go raid someone for some plants?!?
When the hell is the dea gonna kick down the doors of pfizer???
When are the US citizens going to knock down the doors of the DEA???
Well, we can all dream.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Oh you are so funny dragonrider!:D
Little optomistic don't you think?:jointsmile:
Honestly, I have no idea what to expect. There was a news item about these raids on the radio the other day, but I missed the very first part that introduce an intersting clip, so I wasn't sure if the clip was BEFORE the election or AFTER in response to this raid. Anyway, the spokesperson was reiterating the idea that Obama does not want to use federal resources to overide the will of a state's voters. So if it was in response to the raid, then I would say there is reason for optimism. If it was from the campaign, then we'll just have to see if the campaign promise is kept or not, and you know how that goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
And one thing is for sure, no one ever promised or suggested legalization --- the best you could hope for at this point is the feds backing off in states with medical laws.
We'll see what happens, but for now I think it is early to say, "Obama's Boys take down 5 more dispensaries." I doubt these raids were ordered from the top.
The press conference happened after the raids. It seems the DEA didn't even alert the LAPD about their intentions until after the fact... a fact that I'd say seems to indicate that the Obama administration didn't sic the DEA on the dispensaries. dragonrider, check out another thread on this - http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...ainst-dea.html
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Originally Posted by RamblerGambler
Thanks. That is sort of what I thought, but I wasn't sure, because I missed the intro. In this case, it seems like the administration is probably serious, otherwise they would never have gone out on limb to speak out about this issue. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.
Wtf has his colour of skin or name have to do with anything!? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
Those arent Obama's boys taken down the dispensaries....those are people Bush appointed.
read the post knucklehead! his skin color and muslim name are the only CHANGE that I can see as compared to any other president.Quote:
Originally Posted by smok3y
if I buy a restaurant, the first thing I do, is replace the cook :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by VapedG13