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I was wondering about the old saying of a contact high. I know you do not get a real high but you may feel more at ease... Was wondering if anyone knows of any study being done yet to see if the smoke you breath in if it has any thc that could enter your body through your lungs and what not.
Well... i dont know if there were made scientifical studies about this, but i know that some stoners can get stoned if they enter in contact with someone else who is stoned... one may say this one is not a "real" high because there is no THC in the blood/brain, but the effects are pretty much the same... i know because it is my "stoner detector"... whenever i talk to someone and feel high without reason, i know the person is stoned... and its feels like a real high, only weaker, like if you were only barely high... so i think the contact high is actually possible.
i would assume you could get a lil high. i mean if you hot box the shit out of your car with a few people in it, and one person doesnt actually smoke, i bet that person will feel something.
Coelho, sounds kind of wierd to me, but it does make sense. It may have a littler more to do with the fact that when we are a bit down in the dumps and somewhat sad or just a low mood and spirit. To get a phone call, 'someone cares about me' that can really brighten your spirits a great more deal than you'd imagine-that could actually explain how you could almost feel hi, I think I would. If I ever get a call, I'll let you know, on second hand, you'll be able to hear me screaming of cheer alll the way over there!
Being in close quarters swith some other heavy duty sharing tokers would definitely have an effect on the third or any other people in the room. More than you'd guess. Depends on the ventilation in the room, of course. If the room is closed off and not intended or unintended with more intake of fresh air unless intentional vented in, she'd be highter than u think. Substituting oxygen for THC, breathing faster than she normally would, obviously is uncomfortable with the activity and breathing short, fast and shallow with rare very deep breathe's. PR keep us posted and let us know what you learn reading Birdgirls comments. :hippy:
I boxed my car on the way to the beach with a few friends and we all smoked except one person. 30 minutes into the ride the dude who didn't smoke was laughing out of no where hysterically and i realized he was blitzed from the hotbox and it was really really funny. He hadn't really been high before so it made it even better. Had to stop off at a gas station for munchies and then chilled at the beach all day it was chill. SO yea you can get high from a hotbox or second hand smoke.
I know lots of people who have flunked drug tests from second hand smoke. :)
Total bullshit. Of course everyone, especially the nutjobs, seem capable of thinking themselves into all manner of mind states.
Well... every experience we have, every feeling, emotion, sensation, perception, whatever, is only and just only a state of mind. We do not percieve the outside world directly, but only the mind states it causes in us. We are only aware of our own mind, nothing else. We percieve the outside world through it, but what we actually percieve is the states the mind are because of the outsides world influence.
So, the real high is the state the mind is when high, and not the mere existence or not of THC into the bloodstream or the brain. The THC itself cannot force anyone to get high, if their mind dont coperate. Its the reason because many newbies dont get high even with consumption of massive doses of THC. Because its their mind that doesnt know how to enter in the "high" state of mind, even if their brains were fully loaded of THC.
Yet, old users can get very high with minimal amounts of weed, because their minds already learned how is to be in the "high" state, so they only need a very little push to get there. Sometimes they can get high even without any ingestion of THC, just by being next someone who is high.
Being high is a state of mind, so its not impossible that the mind itself can make oneself feel high even without any amount of THC in its brain.
raider 420; the ability to alter your mind intentionally is not exactly what you'd call a "nut job". Some seek training to find that skill and must be very introspective and they don't expect people with limited understanding of people to really understand what they are talking about.
It is my experience, most "nut jobs' don't have much choice where their mind takes them. And could use a little compassion. Those that work on 'experienceing' life as they are enduring it= a lot of work! PR :D
Umm...I think its really stupid you cant accept the fact that you can get high from second hand smoke. Yes, you can make yourself feel a certain way if you really want to be but my friend didn't want to be high because he hates it. 30 min into the drive he was laughing super hard and we had to pull over for munchies because he was so baked. I don't think he made himself like that. But whatever... believe what you want I saw it happen so....
P.S. Don't appreciate you calling my friend a "Nut Job." He's most likely a lot smarter then you are so don't go around calling people names.
I lived in Holland for a lot of years and I had arranged for my sister to meet me at a friends house.
Everyone except my sis smoked and we always hit it hard when we were together, after about 15 minutes the room was full of smoke.
My sis got so shitfaced from the smoke in the room that she giggled all the way home on the back of my bike , it was good because usually she was a very stiff passenger and this time she just relaxed.
That was many years ago and she still blushes when I mention it.
It was the first time she had ever been high and it was just from what was floating in the air.
Of course you are right Psychocat. Smoke does not magically stop containing THC once exhaled. :) I would love to be in a room of smoke right now....Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
doesn't anybody else know if you want to get really high shut yourself in a small confined space like a car etc. I believe I've seen the Beatles (one at a time)getting in a 55 gallon drum with a joint and then having someone shut the lid on them. Then there's smoking inside a gas mask........these methods all use confining the smoke to get higher.
Exactly! Why do you think we hotbox stuff, because its cool to be in a car full of smoke? NO, you do it to get higher lol! I don't see why this is even a debate... smoking out small confined areas has been done forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
No one's studying this from a medical standpoint that I know of. But of course people can get high from secondhand smoke. For one thing, anyone in a confined space isn't just breathing in exhaled smoke that's already passed through the active smoker's lungs. They're also breathing in primary smoke from the joint (or whatever) is being burned nearby. Flight attendants got cancer from secondhand cigarette smoke, or at least they did back when smoking was routinely allowed on airplanes. The atmospheric smoke contains the same crap that active smokers are breathing in. Plus exhaled weed smoke doesn't come out stripped of its active ingredients. So people who are in the same vicinity as smokers are getting two types of exposure that could lead to getting high.
I didn't call your friend a nutjob. Learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by linearvermin
I agree with all three of those points.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
And I agree with that, basically. Hey, I have compassion. I'm taking the time to agree with you so your tender emotions aren't damaged any further aren't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
No offense Dave but you don't know what you're talking about. Secondhand smoke from a burning material released into the atmosphere is not the equivalent of direct inhalation via a smoking apparatus such as a pipe or rolling papers. And you're confusing basic toxicity of tobacco with the concentration of THC required when released into the open environment for one to become intoxicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
But that's ok, roll yourself another one. A big phat one. And don't wave it around in the air and pretend to get high, hit that baby.
Cheers.
Well... Dave is one of the doctors of cann.com. He is a real doctor (a cardiologist), so i think his opinion should not be disregarded that easily... unless you also be a doctor, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
Eh, maybe he's stoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
Actually there have been studies conducted to determine the amount of cannabis smoke required in closed environments to create detectable levels of THC in the bloodstream. I'm not saying it can't be done... but Jesus. In the studies I've seen it has taken a tremendous amount, and not quantities produced by the casual experimenter with a sack of herb. Granted, it can be done though and is actually done at certain events, cough, cough. But look at the equipment they're using. Can that really be considered "secondhand smoke"?
"2nd hand high" is possible. The lungs can't be efficient enough to capture 100% of the THC you inhale, especially as you age.
It was me and three buddies on a "roadie" (drive and toke). One of my buddies quit smoking, but he didn't mind being around it. After we arrived at our destination(frisbee golf course), he noticeably was acting goofy. He admitted to feeling a little high.
As for a total mental contact high(w/o inhaling any 2nd hand smoke), you would be surprised what the brain is capable of doing with its naturally-occuring chemicals. Something, as in being around someone high, can "trigger" your brain to start producing neurotransmitters that can mock being high. This is a little more extreme, but what do you think flash backs are.
Many people that "toked the smoke during 911" while rescuing persons and others just happened to be in the area--are enduring the illness's of a similar fashion. Everything from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome to cancer. If that is not the strongest case on file, I don't know what is.
And now, asbestos related cancer, as a result of being in the same room with someone that had it on their clothing!
The list goes on. Demeaning people seems to be a hobby of yours. And we are all certainly guessing what grade of education you have to be so insulting to an M.D. on our site. A M.D. (and wife Dr.-moderator) We are lucky to have them to set us straight on our wild adventures with different strains of mmj.! Mr. Leadmagot; have you tried any mmj varieties or street schagg? Just curious.
It is not anyone's intention to insult others on this forum. Have you read the rules. I appreciate you ideas and opinions. It is nice to have the freedom to voice it. However, voice it as it applies to you and not how you view others. It is possible that some (I know) apparently have a better handle on the topic than you. It is my wish to you, to read a lot of the threads here and catch up. Once, you have, I would ask you to pass on your hostile comments and see how it makes you feel to re-read what you have written??
People ask for opinions and not a diagnosis from you! You cannot judge stupidity, unless you were there and have an M.D. with Psychiatrist after it! I admit, we all do stupid things, it doesn't make us stupid. However, there are some areas we don't' know a lot about and for that reason we jump in here and look for more knowledge. Obviously, we must read for awhile to decide who is giving bad Karma or simply good advice! Thanks for being a part of this forum and bringing your best tongue forward, first! PR
After 911, I believe there are many studies on second hand anything! Unless, it is sex and that is hard! However, while watching it, some of us do get horny. Does that apply to receiving something vicariously? We'll wait for you to get a dictionary out! Have a good day and know you are wished the best Karma in the world. Pr :rastasmoke: :jointsmile:;)
Again, another example of comparing two separate issues? toxicity vs. intoxication. If that analogy is ??the strongest case on file? to make your point, might I suggest you know nothing about that of which you speak. .Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
??Leadmagot?, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
^ Funny you should mention that.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
I have called nobody here stupid, but you??re tempting me.Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
I would still like to see a reply from the physician.
Lead
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The list goes on. Demeaning people seems to be a hobby of yours. And we are all certainly guessing what grade of education you have to be so insulting to an M.D. on our site. A M.D. (and wife Dr.-moderator) We are lucky to have them to set us straight on our wild adventures with different strains of mmj.! Mr. Leadmagot; have you tried any mmj varieties or street schagg? Just curious.
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Uhhh, like one of those sixtyfive dollar an eight strains like super silver haze from a Kali dispensary? Dude, I was suckin down high grade since before you graduated out of pampers.
NOTE TO MOD: Can I assume it is the doctor who has now been editing posts in this thread?
Lead
Quote:
Originally Posted by painretreat
Uhhh, like one of those sixtyfive dollar an eight strains like super silver haze from a Kali dispensary? Dude, I was suckin down high grade since before you graduated out of pampers.
NOTE TO MOD: Can I assume it is the doctor who has now been editing posts in this thread?
Lead
Or his wife?
Since we can't pm here, is there some kind of a complaint box?
If you want to report a post, there is a report button, the exclamation point in the triangle box.
If you want to complain about the site, the owner Sundance doesn't want to hear it.
Wow, great handle and great tag.
If I understand you correctly, the owner of the site doesn't care but there are in fact admins who do?
You need to play nice leadmagnet. You can't flame, insult, call people names, start fights or try to provoke someone (trolling), or anything close to this. One of the mission objectives of this website is to put marijuana and marijuana users in a good light. If we are fighting among ourselves, it doesn't look good. So if you can't engage in mature debate discussion and posting then this might not be the site for you.
Leadmagnet isn't the only one not playing nice but Leadmagnet, you have reposted some of your posts and that would have been fine minus the insults.
Last warning.
As far as not caring, again if you see a post that you thing is breaking the rules, there is a report button. If you have a complaint about a mod or the site or its rules, forget it.
It seems you allow many of the insults such as those made against me to remain yet you are quick to chastise me for what could be described as mild transgressions of the rules in comparison to those being made by other active members. I don't mean any offense by asking this, but could the "us vs. them" mentality of some of your members who have been around for a while be creating an unfriendly environment for new people? I certainly feel the heat. Now you're threatening me with one more warning. I wasn't even give a first, at least not by someone who claimed to be a mod and didn't include personal insults in their post. By the way, I'm leafblowerz from over at the Lycauem. I mod over there, for whatever that's worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule
Again, just asking. No offense intended.
Lead
Well if you mod then you should understand how not to fight back with people.
No it isn't us against them because I deleted a shitload of other posts from others and they were dealt with accordingly. I just looked back and maybe I should have deleted the one containing maggot but what difference would it make, you keep quoting it and posting it.
I'm done with this. Don't post again about it. Two wrongs don't make a right no matter what so get over it.
Edit: Again, I looked back at the posts and you clearly started it. You really need to step back and look at your role in this because you drew a line in the sand and then crossed it yourself.
IMO anyone who doesn't believe that someone can get stoned from second hand smoke has never shared a room with people like my friends and I.
I have seen it happen first hand on dozens of occasions. :thumbsup:
Ok, I know you told me not to continue but since your edit I HAVE to ask; please explain how I "clearly started it" and "drew a line then stepped over it"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FakeBoobsRule
And let's try not to let our egos get in the way. I realize my sense of humor can be offending to some... but come on. I'm getting the impression some of you people just like to get pissed off.
Lead, or err, whatever it might be in the future.
edit: By the way, if you would like proof that I'm a mod over at lycaeum.org, I can provide that.
Lead,
Arguing with FBR won't get you anywhere. Leave it alone. :)
You're a sweety, lolagal. And I mean that. Thanks for the advice, I know you mean well. But I must say that heavy handed moderatorship on a cannabis forum doesn't put the entheogen community in a good light.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
Peace.
Over and out.
Lead
What say we get past this and wait for the good doctor's reply?
Me nurse. Me say get high 2nd hand smoke. :)
I used to work in Methadone clinic ( I was the one with the cup) and I know lots of people who flunked tests without smoking firsthand. Even employees whose spouse smoked, but they didn't flunked. I am sure the good doctor will agree. Sorry Lead :)
I'm a retired police officer and a probation officer for years. Cut off rates for THC are 50 ng/mg for a reason. Your friends didn't flunk their tests from 2nd hand smoke unless their employers were ignoring the acceptable threshold rates to compensate for such exposure.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
Of course, that has little to do with intoxication but I accept your apology anyway... cutie.
Lead
study is taking place in my car.
people have entered sober did not smoke and left high.
Are you implying that nobody ever got stoned from inhaling second hand smoke ?Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
Do you base your findings on figures or actual experience ?
Intoxication levels for all drugs vary from person to person, factors such as length and intensity of exposure , body weight and metabolism all play a part.
A couple of hits will have more effect for a novice than for a seasoned smoker .
Anyone who doesn't toke but spends a couple of hours in a room full of tokers all toking like Bob (Marley :D) will begin to feel the effects of the secondhand smoke.
I don't think this , after over 30 years of weed usage I know it ! :thumbsup: