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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Hi Guys;
I just signed up and this is my very first post. Without going into great detail of why I didn't start posting this inforation on this forum sooner, let's enjoy the show from now on.... :) Now, I grew a couple of times many years ago and as it turns out, I am starting to make all the newbie skrew ups all over again. In other words - I could really, really used some assistance.
The project started a few weeks ago with a good friend haven given me 4 White Rhino and 8 Trainwreck seeds from GHS. :rastasmoke: This grow is being done on soil, more specifically the Canna Terra Professional Plus, which has like 50% Cocos in it. Nutes- wise I am relying on the complete Canna Bio Line, including Bio Rhizotonic, Bio Vega, Bio Flores & Bio Booster. I also have a bottle of Biobizz Alg-A-Mic and the usual PH- stuff here. :hippy:
Equipment I have available for this grow:
- Grow- Tent with approx. 10 square feet
- 600W HPS Osram Plantastar on Digital Ballast and Adjust-A-Wing Reflector (+Light Spreader)
- Dehumidifier, working outside of the box, keeping humidity at 60%
- 360cbm extractor fan and carbon filter (I'll post the conversion to cfm later.... ;))
- PH Meter
History - Plant- Development:
10/27/08 - 10/29/08 - Plants broke through the soil... :)
11/17/08 - Plants were re- potted into final 3 USG pots:
-> I used 1/2 strength nute solution to wet the soil when the plants were re-potted and was seeing rather strong signs of over- fertilization. Problems included weird spots on leaves, lower leaves turning strong yellow and dying off.
11/22/08 - The tallest two plants (Both Trainwrecks) were topped to try and equalize the height a little.
11/24/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/4 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.
11/29/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/2 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.
12/05/08 - Plants were watered with about 1/2 USG each. Water contained no nutes, but Rhizotonic at full strength. PH was adjusted to 6.5.
12/07/08 - I think I can start to see the first pre- flowers. :D I will look into this more in depth tomorrow, take and post some macro shots. :)
Problems and worries: :wtf:
- Ever since the plants were transplanted I have droopy leaves 4-5 hours before the light goes off. This mainly (only) effects the top 2-3 sets of leaves. The conditions seems to have improved since I started watering with more water.
- Another problem that I observed is really having me totally confused. I can flood a pot and water it with a whole gallon and have a 1/4 runoff or so. However, when I stick my finger in the drainage holes on the side of the pot the soil will still be bone dry. Has anyone ever observed this and/or can you give me a hint of how to fix this? Can this damage the root system and maybe cause the droopy leaves?
- Overall, I am not really satisified with the heigth of my plants. The smalles White Rhino is just a little under 10" - This is 40/42 days after the seed broke through the soil. The average plant is probably around 13" and I would really like to start flowering these, soon.
Overall, I am really not satisfied with the way things are going and I hope that with your help I can greatly improve, turn the situation around and have a nice harvest and stone... :)
So, this should wrap up all the prelimenary information. As always, pictures speak a thousand words. I've tried to take detailed shots of each plant - Any and all input/help is very much appreciated!
[align=center]Veg- Day 42[/align]
Trainwreck 1 - Plant is 14.6" tall (37cm)
(Plant most prone to droopy upper leaves)
Trainwreck 2 - Plant is 11.4" tall (29cm)
Trainwreck 3 - Plant is ???
Trainwreck 4 - Plant is 11.0" tall (28cm)
Trainwreck 5 - Plant is 13.4" tall (34cm)
Trainwreck 6 - Plant is 13.8 tall (35cm)
Trainwreck 7 - Plant is 11.8" tall (30cm)
Trainwreck 8 - Plant is 10.6" tall (27cm)
White Rhino 1 - Plant is 10.0" tall (25cm)
White Rhino 2 - Plant is 12.2" tall (31cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)
White Rhino 3 - Plant is 9.5" tall (24cm)
White Rhino 4 - Plant is 12.6" tall (36cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)
As mentioned above - I am pretty much lost with this grow, at this point. I am not sure if the droopy leaves are a problem, or when to start feeding them nutritiens again. Also, shouldn't they be a bit taller? When would you consider flowering them?
So, please let me know what you think. Any and all comments are greatly appreciated!
Thanks!
[align=center]LOL - How in the world do I add pictures/attachements to my post....?????[/align]
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by hydrocannabis
pix please.:thumbsup:
Hey bro... I spent two hours to take and prepare all pics. They're all ready to go.... However, I can't edit my post anymore (its saying something about a 10 minute limit...) and I really wasn't able to figure out how to attach anything...
Help me out here - Do I have to host 'em on something like Google Photobucket and then link to them? And - I emailed the admin about editing my post - Do you know if there's any other way?
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Welcome to the site...to upload pix, push the Post Reply button, and click on the paper clip icon, there you can upload pix....
If it's not working you need 50 posts to upload...
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by zebulon
Welcome to the site...to upload pix, push the Post Reply button, and click on the paper clip icon, there you can upload pix....
If it's not working you need 50 posts to upload...
Hmmm... Okay... No paperclip icon for me.... :wtf:
Anyways.... Let's use good old imageshack... :hippy:
First of, let's start with some overview shots: (Truly hoping that an admin will allow me to edit my initial post, later on...)
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The detailed shots will follow momentarily.... :)
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
[align=center]White Rhino 4 - Plant is 12.6" tall (36cm)
(The burned spots on the new growth was me having skrewed up and having used the wrong spray bottle.....)
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Please let me know what you think about the overall condition and see my questions above (very bottom of first post). I am fairly desperate for some advice.
Thanks guys!
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
I just realized that its already been a little over 3 weeks that the plants were repotted and thus received nutes. :cool: The plants were quiet still small, received 1/2 strenght nutes (me having figured that it would buffer the PH), though it clearly it messed things up and over- fertilized the plants.... I suppose that I have been scared of feeding them again, ever since....
However, when I look at the pictures posted I feel that the green is a bit too light. Some of the white Rhinos look like a MG deficiency to me. Is it possible that its time to feed them again?? :pimp:
What sucks is that I just watered them a couple days ago and I will have to wait another 3-4 days, before the pots have dried out...... :(
In regards to the plants - I just decided to remove the old shitty looking leaves and I must say that the plants are already looking much better... :thumbsup:
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
how are ya? from what i have heard coco is pretty much a hydro medium so it wont actually have much nutes in it to begin with asuming what is also in the soil mix has. plant that size i would confidently give 1\4 strength nutes.
dont know how much help that was. btw you could check out this log it was done in coco with white widows
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ized-coco.html
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
GraSSy12 has a point about the soil.
Im growing White Russian, in Canna Professional Plus too, using Canna Vegga, Canna Flores and Canna Boost Accelerator. I love this stuff!!
I started feeding Vegga at 1/4 strength from day 6 from seeds popping, which is when I transplanted into the "soil", increasing to full strength within 4 feeds. On a four-water cycle : feed, feed, feed, plain water.
I found with this Professional Plus that if I pour water into the soil fast, then run-off happens fairly fast, and the soil retains less water, ie dried out way too fast. If I pour the water slowly, in small amounts at a time, then the soil retains a lot more water, almost double the amount. I always water untill there is some run off, about a tenth of the volume poured into the pots.
Using this feeding schedule with this soil and these nutes I have not had ANY burning, droopy leaves, or any symptoms of stress or nutrient deficiencies at all. The plants love this medium and nute combination. Just wish I had a pic or two for you. They are at day 39 of flowering now, and still look as healthy and vibrant as when they first popped their heads into this world.
So I guess the short answer with this soil is feed them, they will love it and you will see the improvement in a very very short time
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by Dieselwaverider
GraSSy12 has a point about the soil.
Im growing White Russian, in Canna Professional Plus too, using Canna Vegga, Canna Flores and Canna Boost Accelerator. I love this stuff!!
I started feeding Vegga at 1/4 strength from day 6 from seeds popping, which is when I transplanted into the "soil", increasing to full strength within 4 feeds. On a four-water cycle : feed, feed, feed, plain water.
I found with this Professional Plus that if I pour water into the soil fast, then run-off happens fairly fast, and the soil retains less water, ie dried out way too fast. If I pour the water slowly, in small amounts at a time, then the soil retains a lot more water, almost double the amount. I always water untill there is some run off, about a tenth of the volume poured into the pots.
Using this feeding schedule with this soil and these nutes I have not had ANY burning, droopy leaves, or any symptoms of stress or nutrient deficiencies at all. The plants love this medium and nute combination. Just wish I had a pic or two for you. They are at day 39 of flowering now, and still look as healthy and vibrant as when they first popped their heads into this world.
So I guess the short answer with this soil is feed them, they will love it and you will see the improvement in a very very short time
Hi Diesel;
Thanks for the information! Especially, the parts about the Canna Terra / Terra- Plus soil. This information is extremely valuable to me and confirms what I had been thinking. :) So, even if I have to water them with a little over 1/2 a gallon at a time, then this would be okay?
What I really want to accomplish with the next watering is to get the entire pots soil wet - Something, that up until now I haven't been able to do...
Regarding the nutes - I am fairly sure that the plants are hungry, as its been quiet some time. However, the pots are still fairly heavy from the last watering, which begs for the question whether to wait 3-4 more days to feed them, or to feed them right now?? And, if I feed them right now - How much water should I give them (considering, that the pots are still heavy)?
Right now, I am thinking that I'll water them with 1/4 strenght and give each plant about 12 ounces each.... However, would be nice to get someone elses oppinion. :thumbsup:
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
[align=center]Day 43
Okay - Here's the update for today... The light just came on and I took some pictures to show the droopy leaves that I am having to put up with, almost every day. There is also an overview shot where you can see that not all of them are doing this....
Secondly, although the pots were still heavy I decided to water them with about 16 ounces of 1/3rd strength nute solution. Hoping that they'll like it.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.... :)
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I think I'll take some more pictures in like 2-3 hours to show how the plants have changed... Usually, they do recover quiet nicely... (Though, at the same time, it really sucks having to see them like this every time when the light comes on and 3-4 hours before the light goes out....)
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Well... It's been two looooong hours and the plants are still looking as droopy as they did before. There seems to be 0 improvement.... :mad:
Just to make sure I checked the roots again and they are looking very strong and healthy - So, clearly that's not part of the problem.
Any expert opinion from anyone reading this would really be great. I am very much worried....
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
I don't measure the amount of water I give the plants. I water them slowly, small amounts at a time until there is some run off. Then I wait till the pots feel really light before I water them again. The amount of water really is dependant on the size of the pots you are using. I'm using 10 litre pots (erm... 3 gal?). They absorb about 3 litres each with about 200 ml run-off, and they are dry in two days. Boy, do these girls like to drink. The point is not to measure too greatly the amount of water you are giving the plants, rather concentrate on how much the plants need. As the plants grow they will naturally drink more. The other aspect I'm trying to make is that they love Canna. I'm on full strength flores and double strength bloom boost. Three feeds, then plain water, then three feeds... you get the idea. One thing to remember too - flush every 30 days, to leach built up salts in the medium. Also, don't feed them with cold water - rather let the water reach room temp before feeding. This eliminates stress from too cold water. Can't really see too well from your last pics, but I would guess they are hungry, that's why the bottom leaves are yellow. You are at day 43 - feed them. Full strength nutes per the bottle instructions. I started full strength veg nutes when they were about 20 days old. Hope this helps you to grow some lurvly ladies
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by Dieselwaverider
I don't measure the amount of water I give the plants. I water them slowly, small amounts at a time until there is some run off. Then I wait till the pots feel really light before I water them again. The amount of water really is dependant on the size of the pots you are using. I'm using 10 litre pots (erm... 3 gal?). They absorb about 3 litres each with about 200 ml run-off, and they are dry in two days. Boy, do these girls like to drink. The point is not to measure too greatly the amount of water you are giving the plants, rather concentrate on how much the plants need. As the plants grow they will naturally drink more. The other aspect I'm trying to make is that they love Canna. I'm on full strength flores and double strength bloom boost. Three feeds, then plain water, then three feeds... you get the idea. One thing to remember too - flush every 30 days, to leach built up salts in the medium. Also, don't feed them with cold water - rather let the water reach room temp before feeding. This eliminates stress from too cold water. Can't really see too well from your last pics, but I would guess they are hungry, that's why the bottom leaves are yellow. You are at day 43 - feed them. Full strength nutes per the bottle instructions. I started full strength veg nutes when they were about 20 days old. Hope this helps you to grow some lurvly ladies
Its really awesome to have finally found someone who has experience with this Canna Terra Plus stuff.... Somehow, watering it feels 'different'.... My pots were still fairly heavy and as I decided to start feeding them I started watering them....
Well, each pot has taken an additional 2 Liters with virtually no runoff. I'll probably feed them another .5 Liters each and then see what happens. As for the nutes I decided to go to a little above 1/2 strength. If they tolerate it well I'll increase to full strength next time around.
BTW - For the past few days plants only grew an average of maybe 1/4 or 0.75cm.... :(
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
The trick is not to overwater. This Pro Plus is brilliant at providing air to the roots. If you overwater, then the roots' ability to absorb air deminishes. Better to let the soil dry before watering again. When you pick up the pot and go "WOW this is really light", then it's time to water again. In saying this though, bear in mind that Pro Plus has a cocco content, so it's rather difficult to overwater. Provided you have good drainage, this should not be a problem at all.
You are on track by increasing their nutes - again due to the soil's cocco content. Don't be too surprised though if some of the yellow leaves do not recover. Those that do, great. Those that don't, oh well.... Give the yellow leaves a GENTLE tug. If they come off, well then they weren't doing the plant any good anyway, as the plant has already leached all the nutrients out of the leaves in an attempt to feed itself.
Have you flushed yet? If not, it may be a good idea to do so at the next watering. 10 litre pots = 30 litres plain water per pot, with the last litre or so containg 1/2 strength nutes. Then let them dry before feeding again.
Something to think about - maybe for future grows: I use clear plastic 10 litre square food containers as pots, with 8 or 10 3/4 inch holes drilled in the bottom. I cover them in black garbage bags to prevent light entering the pot. I leave the bottom of the container uncovered, but the base of the pot will not let in light as it has to stand on something after all. I do this so that if I pick up the pot, I can see the roots at the bottom. This gives me an idea of how well the roots are doing, ie if I see darkening of the roots, then I know that they have issues that need addressing, before it's too late to correct the problem.
You don't seem too happy that the ladies have gone handbag shopping at the mall, via the makeup department, rather than concentrating on growing QUOTE=weedee;1955354]For the past few days plants only grew an average of maybe 1/4 or 0.75cm.... :([/QUOTE]. Have you decided when to start flowering? The White strains tend to tripple in height when flowering, so if height restrictions are an issue for you, it may be better to flower sooner rather than later. I have no experience of the Train-strains, so am unable to comment here. I would guess though that they too will at least double in size.
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Alrighty - It's been 24 hours since the plants received nutes and here is the update on their condition.
- Droopy leaves have greatly improved. Less plants show them and they don't nearly droopy as much anymore. Also, leaves do recover much more quickly after the light has come on. :thumbsup:
- Plants are seeming to start to stretch/grow again - Around 1.25cm in the past 24 hours. :thumbsup:
- Weird spots have started popping up on the leaves again. They kinda start of grey, then turn to a brown/rust color and finally to a yellow. Not all plants are showing this, though I guess that it could be a sign of over- fertilization? :(
- Color of the leaves has not really improved yet. Especially one plant is showing extremely light green, almost yellow, leaves - Even on the new growth. How long before I should see some improvement here? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Dieselwaverider
The trick is not to overwater. This Pro Plus is brilliant at providing air to the roots. If you overwater, then the roots' ability to absorb air deminishes. Better to let the soil dry before watering again. When you pick up the pot and go "WOW this is really light", then it's time to water again. In saying this though, bear in mind that Pro Plus has a cocco content, so it's rather difficult to overwater. Provided you have good drainage, this should not be a problem at all.
You are on track by increasing their nutes - again due to the soil's cocco content. Don't be too surprised though if some of the yellow leaves do not recover. Those that do, great. Those that don't, oh well.... Give the yellow leaves a GENTLE tug. If they come off, well then they weren't doing the plant any good anyway, as the plant has already leached all the nutrients out of the leaves in an attempt to feed itself.
Have you flushed yet? If not, it may be a good idea to do so at the next watering. 10 litre pots = 30 litres plain water per pot, with the last litre or so containg 1/2 strength nutes. Then let them dry before feeding again.
Something to think about - maybe for future grows: I use clear plastic 10 litre square food containers as pots, with 8 or 10 3/4 inch holes drilled in the bottom. I cover them in black garbage bags to prevent light entering the pot. I leave the bottom of the container uncovered, but the base of the pot will not let in light as it has to stand on something after all. I do this so that if I pick up the pot, I can see the roots at the bottom. This gives me an idea of how well the roots are doing, ie if I see darkening of the roots, then I know that they have issues that need addressing, before it's too late to correct the problem.
You don't seem too happy that the ladies have gone handbag shopping at the mall, via the makeup department, rather than concentrating on growing
Have you decided when to start flowering? The White strains tend to tripple in height when flowering, so if height restrictions are an issue for you, it may be better to flower sooner rather than later. I have no experience of the Train-strains, so am unable to comment here. I would guess though that they too will at least double in size.
Thanks again for the info. I already decided to remove all the old and died off leaves. Plants are looking better now. :) Watering the Terra Plus stuff is a whole new experience, compared to the rockwool and cogr slabs, for sure.
I fed the plants an additional 2.5 liters yesterday with about 200ml runoff, per plant. Pots are still extremely heavy, but nice and evenly watered. Would you mind taking a guess on how long it'll take for them to dry out? Right now this is having me slightly worried, as my guess'timate would be around 5 days...?!
In regards of the root system I usually just pull the side of the containers away from the soil and look down.... Works great and my roots are looking very healthy, even though I can't really see any root-hairs?? :wtf:
And you are right - I ain't happy one fucking bit about my ladies having gone out shopping with the mastercard and without permission...! :mad: The re- newed growth of spots on the leaves is really having me concerned. I didn't wanna really switch them to 12/12 with problems still being unsolved and/or remaining.
However, I always planned on switching them when the first plant reaches 40cm and that is just about the case now. Problems that I'd really like to get under control first though are the yellow leaves on the new growth and the weird spots on my leaves. What do you think??? I am despereate for advice!
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Great to hear that the plants are looking / growing better again.
May I ask, at what time of the day do you water? For info, I water when it's the "morning", so that the plants have the whole "day" to drink before going to bed happy and satisfied.
The weird spots - you have 12 plants in 3 gal pots in 10 square feet of space - with the amount of water given to the plants I would monitor the humidity of you grow room first to establish if this is the cause of the prob. Don't be disheartened though, it takes a little time for plants to respond to increased / decreased anything. I know you have a dehumidifier - have you any way of testing that it if dunctioning correctly?
Do you rotate the plants? I rotate and re-position constantly, so they all get equal time in various positions. Helps with grow room hot spots, incomming cold air, etc, etc.
Not too sure about the new growth being more yellow than it should be. I'm not familiar with the Canna Bio products, but rather than overnute, there may be an instance of something lacking. Give them a few more days, then compare.
It's not really possible to say accurately when they will need watering again - the plants will let you know when they need water.
Hope things continue to improve.
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Hi weed
You are using Canna TERRA Professional Plus. Canna Bio products are more suited to the Canna BIO Professional Plus medium, although they have been developed for soil use. It may be an idea to switch to the Terra products, as they have been developed specifically for the medium you are using. They also have a new product - Canna Flush - which can be used in all types of subtrates.
Are you using tap water? If so, do you let the chlorine evaporate before feeding?
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Hi Diesel;
As always - Thanks a bunch for taking the time reading through my posts and questions. Actually, I am using the Bio Canna Professional Plus - Sorry for not having been clearer before...
Plants just woke up and are looking better and better now.... It is finally a blast again to check on the plants and watch them grow, pretty much by the hour... :thumbsup:
Growth has improved dramatically and the first plant has reached 40cm. However, I can pretty much see defficiencies all over the plants. Next watering I will increase to Canna full strength, for sure.
Well, I simply didn't know how to handle this soil properly when I first started. So, it's been great to have found you on here. Truly appreciating all of your input! Thanks bro!
The humidifier is working very well, though it's being exchanged for a stronger 20L/day model, as humidity is kinda high (60's) during the light off cycle.
I do not rotate the plants - The smallest have the prime spots. I tried to avoid hot spots by using the Adjust-A-Wing Reflector with the Spreader, which really seems to work very well.
Lastly, the containers are starting to get lighter again. I think that they'll be ready for the next watering in about 48 hours - Oh, and I water them right after the light came on... At least one thing I seem to have remembered correctly...... :jointsmile:
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Alright - Another day, another update.... :)
Sadly, I see that the droopy leaves are returning. There are 4-5 Plants showing these symptoms after abot 14 hours of light. Also, I can clearly see that the plants are starving for some nutes...
Now, the pots are still very heavy from the last watering and I assume it would take another 2-3 days before they are adequately dry.
So, the big question is what can I do???? Let them starve for another few days, or simply add more water to the heavy pots??? Also, in order to combat the defficiencies would it be okay to increase the nutes to 125-150%????
Guys - I really need some help here!
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Sounds like the plants are thirsty for water and nutes, but you say that the pots are still quite heavy? Mmm. Have you added anything to the soil? Perlite etc? When you repotted, did you compress the soil at all?
Do you have anything in the bottom of the pots to assist drainage? If not, when you water place the pots on a bathroom towel for 10 minutes or so, this will assist in drawing off any excess water. Another tactic may be to drill a few more holes in the bottom of the pots.
I wouldn't increase the nutes more than the recommended quantities just yet - let them get used to full strength first.
Maybe just give them a cup of water each to see if the roots near the surface drink and help relieve the droopiness.
I'm kinda baffled, will do some research. Back soon
Can anyone else add a suggestion or two?
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
In a way, good to see that I am not the only one baffled by whats going on. And, at the same time its sad, because I had really hoped that you could point me in the right direction.
Now, let's answer your questions... The soil is wet throughout - I even have one of those digital meters to check temp, ph, wetness, etc... Roots are looking very healthy - I can even sometimes see them growing on the surface...
I compressed the soil ever so slightly when I re-potted the plants. However, that was really more aiding the soil where it needed to go....
In regards to the drainage... My pots have huge drainage holes. In fact, they are so large that hydroton, etc... will fall through them. As such, I decided to use these polystyrene flakes that they use for packaging...
I know that there is an element which regulates the pressure within the plant. I would think that a defficiency would result in droopy leaves... Question now is how to get nutes into the plants, quickly....?
On a side note - I just decided to take some clones from all plants. At least this way I saved the genetics. :)
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Alright - Another quick update.... The tallest two plants (both Trainwrecks) have reached 41cm in heigth. The two smallest plants (both White Rhino) are approx. 28cm. The pots are getting noticeably lighter and I think I'll give them another watering tomorrow with full strength Bio Canna Vega nutes.
Now, even though I hate having to switch to 12/12 with some problems still existing (and especially unsolved/unknown), I believe I have no choice but to make this the last day of 18/6 and flip 'em to 12/12 tomorrow.
What kinda helps put my mind at ease is that they'll receive full strength nutes tomorrow and hopfelly this will also help with the droopy leave syndrom a bit, until they have recovered. Afterall - Plants do look fine for 12 hours of light.
Personally, even though I don't really have a clue what I am doing here and/or what's going wrong - I am starting to have a strong feeling about this being an issue with the starving and not having enough nutes available.
@ Diesel: Thanks for sticking to this thread bro - I truly appreciate it! Otherwise, I'd be lost completely....!
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Your'e very welcome. Overall, I would say that your plants are doing better now. Flippin the lights may be just what's needed.
Sorry haven't managed to do any research - I'm in a bit of a pickle and tryin to find a solution: I'm moving house on Thusday, and have no idea how to move my ladies without detection? I was planning to place a big black refuse bag over the top of each plant, and seal it round the pot with tape. I don't have transport - the guy that's moving my shit is my mom's cousin, so I can't use him for the girls. If my mom found out about my little side enterprise she would throw a coronary, and beat me to death with a rose branch lol. Any ideas?
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
If you have any concerns, I would fill out the troubleshooting form in the plant problems section. You can get some different opinions, and usually one of the experts will show up and guide you a little better. I had the Trainwreck from Greenhouse and I remember mine was noticeably larger. Better to fix any problems before you switch the lights.:thumbsup:
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by Dieselwaverider
Your'e very welcome. Overall, I would say that your plants are doing better now. Flippin the lights may be just what's needed.
Sorry haven't managed to do any research - I'm in a bit of a pickle and tryin to find a solution: I'm moving house on Thusday, and have no idea how to move my ladies without detection? I was planning to place a big black refuse bag over the top of each plant, and seal it round the pot with tape. I don't have transport - the guy that's moving my shit is my mom's cousin, so I can't use him for the girls. If my mom found out about my little side enterprise she would throw a coronary, and beat me to death with a rose branch lol. Any ideas?
Bro - That is friggin funny as fuck, becuase I just found out to have the same damn problem. I need to move my plants some time next week! Can't believe this is happening to both of us.
I am kinda desperately looking for a solution myself, though I have the advantage of no parents, etc.... The only thing I know for now is that I'll use a friend who operates a cab company to move 'em for me. Packaging 'em up will indeed be the problem. It'll very much depend on their size - If at all possible I'll pack 'em up in individual boxes and put a bunch of stretch foil around it - Possibly with UPS stickers... (hehe)
If you want the best possible protection I would get some carboard, possible cut it just to the way you need it, wrap the pot in a bag of some sort (keeping the soil where it should be) and use stretch foil to make it look all tidy and clean. (If you decide to use stretchfoil get on of those roll-off thingies with it, because its a total pain without one...)
How big are your plants by now? And... I've been meaning to tell you this all along, but the very best smoke I ever had in my life was some White Russian @ Ricks Coffeeshop in Amsterdam - Absolutely fantastic high!!! :thumbsup:
I really wanted to get these seeds myself at first, but then fell for this GHS feminized crap.... Oh well.... Next time around it'll most likely be some WR... :thumbsup:
[align=center]Flowering Day 2[/align]
Well, as the plants were getting too tall for my likings I decided to cut yesterdays day short and switched to 12/12. Thus, we are currently on day 2 of the flowering stage.
The pots had reached an ideal weight and were watered with about 2.5 liters per pot. The nutritient solution was mixed up as directions found on:
BIOCANNA :: The Bio Solution for growth and bloom :: About production proccess
The online guide shows three different feeding regiments, which go to about 150% of the recommended dosage, per bottle instructions. I was very much tempted to give them the full 150% (heavy feeding), but rather decided to go with 125% (normal feeding).
Effectively, I mixed up 2.5ml/L of BioCanna Vega an 1.5ml/L of Canna Rhizotonic.
Now, I am really hoping that the plants will like it and finally get rid of these damn signs of under- fertilization....! Will update again tomorrow... :)
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Thanks for the info - yea it's gonna be a bitch getting them moved. They are waist height from the ground, and only have around 15 - 20 days to harvest. I topped them all so they have spread like butter on bread. 10 - 12 colas each. I don't want to harvest too soon, but I may have to, as I have 22 of the little darlings. Had a sample last Sunday - boy was I wrecked. Fuck-me-happy, some of the best I have had. Smooth as silk. Lotsa giggles and the munchies - haven't had that since I was a teenager in South Africa. When I open my grow room door it looks like cola heaven lol. Have been setting up the new grow room at the new house, it's a lot smaller, so I'm thinkig of doing SOG next. We'll see. Might even do a grow log on here...
How much longer do you plan on feeding the vegga nutes? I flip, feed them vegga, then switch to 1/2 flores next feed. They love it. Increase to full flores inside a week, and double boost within 2 weeks. Looking forward to seeing your next pics.
I have a sneeky suspicion that your nute issues are a thing of the past.
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Oops - sorry - mis-information there. I don't feed boost accelerator till I have sent the boys off to boarding school!
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Yeah - You gotto love the White Rhino high... Like I said - It was by far (!) the very best high I have ever (!) experienced - Absolutely incredible...! (You can see, I really was planing on growing these myself.... :jointsmile:)
Well, I wanted to take some pictures for you, but as the plants are still looking fairly shitty I figured I'd wait a couple more days.
Overall, situation seems to be improving and the have tolerated the 125% nutes well. Some leaves are starting to go from the yellow -> green and overall growing speed has definetly improved.
What's really quiet weird is that the Canna instructions vary between the bottle instructions and even the individual country grow guides, published on their website - UK seems to have the most comprehensive instructions, including the different feeding regiments.
I have been thinking about when to switch to the flores nutes, but as the UK Canna website suggests to continue to feed the Vega nutes throughout the complete stretch, I guess I'll stick to that.
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
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Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
If you have any concerns, I would fill out the troubleshooting form in the plant problems section. You can get some different opinions, and usually one of the experts will show up and guide you a little better. I had the Trainwreck from Greenhouse and I remember mine was noticeably larger. Better to fix any problems before you switch the lights.:thumbsup:
Hey bro - Thanks for stopping by! :)
Checked out your thread and plants are looking absolutely stunning! Congratulations!
I didn't even know that you could submit a form in the plant problems section - Thanks for telling me. Luckily, the mystery has come to an end, as it was simple matter of more or less severe under- fertilization.
That was my problem when I first started - I had no experience with this soil, nor anbody who I could ask. However, now plants are starting to look up and are growing again very nicely.
Truly hope that they will make a strong turn around and start looking more like yours. :thumbsup:
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
Yep the bottles say to feed vegga till they stop stretching, but I only feed once after I flip the lights, then switch to flores. The plants stretch anyway. My theory is that the alteration of the nutes will induce flower formation sooner. This grow they started to show gender on sixth day after flipping - and there were no visible signs of over / under fert. I'm aiming for 90 days seed to weed, and so far this grow is right on track. Seed, + 30 days, flip lights, + 60 days, harvest.
What has impressed me the most about Canna is the plants LOVE this stuff. Even if you over / under feed a little, there is very little sign of plant stress. Seems to me the chemists at Canna have found the perfect combinations to produce top quality, uniform, vibrant plants. Yay for Canna.
Can't wait to see how your plants are doing, now that they have gone through puberty.
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
I've been using 10mL/gal BioCanna Vega and 5ml/Gal of Canna Rhizotonic with great results so far this summer;)
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BioCanna - Trainwreck & White Rhino (GHS) - 600W HPS - 12 Plants @ 3 USG Pots
You can also water (slowly) ~1 gal of water + nutes to a 5 gal pot that is well ventilated. I drilled extra holes in mine (Ocean Forest mix with hydrocorals in the last 3" of the bottom.
