I'm assuming this means imported????
I paid $50 for 1/4oz, and while it gets me high, it just doesn't seem as euphoric as some of the stuff I'd been getting from a buddy of mine.
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I'm assuming this means imported????
I paid $50 for 1/4oz, and while it gets me high, it just doesn't seem as euphoric as some of the stuff I'd been getting from a buddy of mine.
your stash is an example of 'commercial'-grade pot ... it's lower-priced, and 'average' potency, etc ... that's all it tends to mean, 'average' street-obtained pot ... usually grown and distributed in bulk ... :smokin:
commerical is not the same as imported. Commercial usually refers to regs or mids grown in mexico and packed into bricks. Imported weed can be some of the best, especially when it comes from our neighbors to the north :jointsmile:
What I came in here to post. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainDank
weed thats on a commercial!DUH!:wtf: lol jk I have no idea.:jointsmile:
keep on tokin:stoned:
What is available depends on the region of course, but in my area commercial is synonymous with mexi-brick. I just picked up 1/2 OZ for $70 (which is a little high, I am used to $60 or $65 for a half of middies) of stuff that doesn't taste bad and does have a real good high, but is so dry and uber-compressed that it resembles green-brown particle board packed with seeds.... or cannaba-granola perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by NGC1300
For reference good "nug", be it Widow, AK-47, Blueberry or what-have-you usually runs around $50 or $55 an eighth around here.
You didnt put you location so its hard to tell. Its different from place to place. In the SW its mexican low grade crap. North its mid-grade/ outdoor BC buds. In N. cali. its more than likely indoor large operation buds. LOL, mexican dirt weed couldnt even get sold in cali or north.
While I'm sure others from my area will disagree, here in South GA/North FLA "commercial" weed is the same as "headies" or "name brand" (i.e. high quality bud of a specific, identifiable strain, usually blueberry or kush). However, it seems it typically refers to Mexibrick elsewhere.
Around here, it's weed that interrupts your smoke session every few minutes to try to sell you car insurance, laundry detergent, or non-prescription pain reliever. It's really annoying.
*smoke* damn caveman *smoke* I know tricks are for kids *smoke*Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
This is the #2 listing when google searching for "commercial weed," so I figure it's better to resurrect this old thread for the benefit of everyone than making a new one just for me :).
There are a lot of different definitions I've heard for commercial weed.. As people in this thread have said, it's "mid-grade" brick weed. But honestly, just from a logical standpoint, why would anyone grow "mid-grade" strains when they know they can't sell them for as much? It doesn't make sense. The same applies to "KB" (as it's called here) or "nug" being a "name" brand (Northern Lights, White Widow, etc), versus commercial being a random strain (why wouldn't everyone just grow highest yield, highest potency strains?).
I've also been told that the difference between commercial and KB is that KB is only buds, whereas commercial is mostly leaves and stems. Now, THIS makes sense if people want to claim that KB truly is worth several times as much money, but I can't find anything online that confirms this.
Also, I want to say that I've heard market prices that sound way too high.. Where I'm from, $60 is the going rate for an oz of commercial. KB is a ripoff, IMO, at like $15-20/g. I've actually always considered KB a ripoff, because people are convinced the difference is the strain, and strain potency doesn't vary more than possibly a great strain doubling the potency of a failed one. Paying 10x as much for 2x the potency is a ripoff, period. Buds vs leaves would change my opinion, though.
Adding to the confusion, "bud" is a common slang term for any kind of cannabis, commercial or not.
IMO, Commercial weed is any weed grown in massive quantities and is therefore widely available. Quality has nothing to do with it - but most of the time weed grown in this fashion is usually not the best quality.
Are you saying KB/nug is likely the same or could even possibly be worse quality than cannabis sold as "commercial"? And are you also saying that both consist of mostly/only buds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Faddenator
This is an important question to answer, IMO, because even the most "seasoned" "pros" disagree about this, and if they're wrong, they're complete idiots who embarrass themselves. For instance, l33t smokers who speak of the "real deal," like there is "one hit shit," when anyone who knows anything knows that potency can't even really vary that much. If I was one of those idiots who dealers exploit and con into really believing they're receiving "one hit shit," or that their "nug" was anywhere near worth as much more than commercial as they paid, I would want someone to tell me the truth.
You know what, I don't even see why the same wouldn't apply for people who think they're grading weed. It seems like the grade is synonymous with the potency, so if someone says "mid-grade," they mean mid-potency. But the difference between mid-potency and high-potency strains (15% and 25%) means you'd have to take an extra 2/3 hit of mid-grade per one hit of high-grade to obtain the same amount of THC. That is NOT very much, insignificant if you ask me.
So can someone please enlighten me on what I'm missing? The forums at cannabis.com would be the last place I would expect to find ignorance about cannabis..
So I guess no one really knows what the difference is between commercial and nug, besides the obvious, that one is bricked and that one is supposedly higher "quality," where quality is completely subjective and does not refer to potency.
In that case, ignorant stoners are just being exploited and greedy dealers are just being deceptive. I don't like this at all... -.O;
When that happens, I usually just walk out to the kitchen and make a cup of coffee. Doesn't happen often though as I don't do commercial product very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
I would rather smoke nothing at all if all I can get is that "back-yard boogie" or the "brown-frown" seriously, as hard workin as mexicans are you would figure they would do more than just scatter a bunch of seeds around and then just pick it,piss on it,spray shit on it, and then brick it up to ship out. Be careful with that brown shit because who knows what kind of chemicals and shit that are on it as well. sometimes it doesn't even smell like bud. I remember smelling some stuff before that smelled like straight embalming fluid. talk about gross.
If my bud isn't neon green with crystals, I don't want it. ( with the exception of chocolate thai, and the afghan buds. though they are dark, they are still very crystally and potent)
in my opinion and personal experience it's not about achieving the "same amount of thc" it's the type of high. with mids, you can take as many hits as you want, but you still wont get that type of high that Hydro or high potency nugs will give you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
Low grade/reggie: usually can get you high, but is more of a tired/dirty high. You do have to smoke more than a bowl or whatever, this is why most smoke blunts with this weed. usually a brown/dark color with stringy leaves and usually a not so great odor. usually around 25 dollars a quarter or less. (and it's always bricked up)
Mid grade/Middies: will usually get you a better high than the reggie, and actually tastes decent and looks alright. most of the time it's a good color green and a good smell. It gets you about a "medium" high in my opinon. a big reason why it's called Mid-grade. the best of both worlds because it can be smoked in a pipe,or blunt. (this is what most of everyday smokers get if you can't grown your own or you can't afford to constantly be buying dro.) best bang for your buck in most peoples opinion. Anywhere from 40 to 60 dollars a quarter. (can be either bricked up or mid nugs)
High Grade/Hydro,dank,etc: This is the bud with the most THC in it, and normally looks the prettiest. the bud will never be bricked up,and will be nugs. The high is a uppier,cleaner high and you stay higher longer. Most of the time, there will be no seeds in this bud and the smell is wayyyyyy more potent. Prices range from 90 to 120 dollars a Quarter here in Raleigh,nc and in Virginia.
Okay, you say that nug is the cannabis with the most THC in it, but logic already shows that mass growers are almost surely NOT growing a strain with the lowest potency and are actually probably growing strains of mid- or high-potency. At the same time, people who are interested in the type of high are not necessarily interested in the most THC, otherwise they would all be growing the highest potency strains ONLY, which they are not. So nug is actually not always the bud with the most THC in it. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I'm trying really hard to understand this..
Also, people seem to correlate hydroponically grown cannabis with THC potency, which is also not necessarily true. It can be assumed that more care was given hydro, but the growing medium being water or dirt alone isn't enough to change anything. All the extra care would mean is that the cannabis was nurtured into the high end of its potency range (15-20%), which is equally as obtainable in soil. You can't insult commercial by saying it was grown in the ground.
In my opinion, the high probably doesn't vary as much as people think. It's mostly just the placebo effect and prejudice. It's kind of strange to me that the only thing people know about the different grades of weed are what they look, smell, and taste like, the high they're supposed to give, and how much they cost.
I always thought that commercial weed was like big bud, rocklock strains like that, that produce large amounts and are mostly used for commercial growers.
For like SOG?
But if its that mexican weed that gives me headaches than i dont know why im about to buy Rocklock when it says its for commercial growers. So i would assume big yields
The "nug" as you refer to it is better tasting, smelling, feeling weed than commercial. It's been handled better after harvest, trimmed better, usually grown better with better genetics. If you've ever grown, or really even smoked much at all you can tell...Because of the amount of time and care it takes to produce the dank, a lot of mass growers settle for lower grade final product because it's not worth the effort to make it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
I don't think you understand how little it takes to turn potentially great bud into almost garbage weed. When growing on a large scale there's bound to be mistakes like hermaphrodites, improper harvesting/drying times, little to no cure, damaged trichomes from rough/hasty handling, etc. Just because it's a high potency strain doesn't mean that it'll be good for any grower.
The way you put it is like calling a steak a steak, no matter what cut or how fresh it is. If you can taste, smell, feel, and see the difference then why don't you accept it? If you can't then I'm sorry for you because it's obvious when you get the good stuff.
I'd rather buy an oz of some kb than 5 or 6 oz of brick for the same price: it smokes way smoother & tastes better, doesn't smell like cat piss or something awful like that, takes a lot less to get to the sweet spot, the high lasts at least an hour as opposed to 15 minutes or so, has way better "bag appeal", and is way less likely to have unknown additives. It feels a lot cleaner and nicer without the stress headaches. Not to mention the smokable weight per oz...seeds weigh like 1/6th of a gram last time I checked so with 30+ seeds in an oz of brick you're only getting maybe 23 grams minus the stems if you're lucky. Plus at least with me I'm less tollerant of the better grade, meaning it keeps doing it's job instead of having to smoke more each time to achieve the same effect.
I hope this helps to educate you on the economics of the trade and why better quality is worth more...
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Originally Posted by redtails
THANK YOU BRO!! Exactly... I was speaking from personal experience, not "research"
dude, really?? you think someone would pay up to to 75% more for some bud that gave them the same high they coulda got with some schwag? please bro, give me a break... read my mans post above me a couple spots. he hits it dead on. I never said anything about bud being grown in soil as not yielding as much THC as bud grown in a hydro set. It boils down to this.. Brick weed is for pure profit, yes it will get you high, but to the everday or often smoker, it's a waste of money. compare that to some high grade kill, was most likely grown by someone who is also a smoker and enjoys the high quality of the product as well as a little profit. It's just like anything you grow, the better care you take while growing it the better product.. If you ust go throw some seeds in the ground and expect to yield high potency THC without an care at all you are sadly mistaken. therefore the brick weed is pretty much all profit because nature did all the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
also, wtf is a l33t smoker? that's probably the gayest shit i've ever heard. some high school bullshit
It isn't 5-6oz:1oz; it's 8-9oz:1oz*Quote:
Originally Posted by redtails
Also, it isn't calling a steak a steak. It's paying $15 for a Filet Mignon from an "okay" restaurant instead of $150 for a steak that may only be twice as good from a top-of-the-line restaurant. Even if it clearly tastes better, has been taken care of, is more emotionally satisfying, it still isn't really worth anywhere near the money, and the people who choose to buy it will always be grossly overpaying. The difference is that nug is sold at a market value that is supposedly at least somewhat worth it.
So have we all agreed that "garbage weed" is, at worst, 10% potency (as described by seedbanks; I don't really know what exactly that means), and that, on average, nug will probably only double that (20%)?
Assuming THC content was relatively the same, the highs should have very similar durations, unless you can identify any other specific reasons to suggest otherwise.Quote:
I'd rather buy an oz of some kb than 5 or 6 oz of brick for the same price: it smokes way smoother & tastes better, doesn't smell like cat piss or something awful like that, takes a lot less to get to the sweet spot, the high lasts at least an hour as opposed to 15 minutes or so, has way better "bag appeal", and is way less likely to have unknown additives. It feels a lot cleaner and nicer without the stress headaches. Not to mention the smokable weight per oz...seeds weigh like 1/6th of a gram last time I checked so with 30+ seeds in an oz of brick you're only getting maybe 23 grams minus the stems if you're lucky. Plus at least with me I'm less tollerant of the better grade, meaning it keeps doing it's job instead of having to smoke more each time to achieve the same effect.
What do you mean by "stress headaches"? I would assume that if commercially grown crop gave you headaches over nug, it was probably the "additives" that you spoke of.
Smokable weight per oz might actually be lower in nug, even considering the seeds in commercial, since the strong odor and sometimes even stickiness indicates it wasn't properly dried.
I'm trying to prove that the difference in highs is mostly just the placebo effect. Yes, I felt like I could tell the difference between commercial and nug, but I was also always informed before coming to that conclusion, so I was expecting a difference.Quote:
I hope this helps to educate you on the economics of the trade and why better quality is worth more...
Also, speaking from experience is deceptive for the very reason I'm trying to prove. YOU are not a credible source, because you are under the impression there really IS a difference and therefore are far more likely to fall victim to the placebo effect. (You = general audience)
A l33t smoker is a "seasoned pro," a "veteran," etc., who takes on an elitist attitude. Anyone who claims to be a l33t smoker better know what they're talking about or admit when they're unsure, otherwise they'll look like a fool when they're proven wrong. I guess experience hasn't taught them as much as they thought ;). Also, do your math right. It isn't paying 75% more... It's paying 750-900% more...Quote:
Originally Posted by RelaxaBIT
lol anyone claiming to be an 'elite smoker' is a douche bag... beware cannabis posers
BWHAHAHAHA... dude, all i can do is laugh.. you sir are a douche. I can tell by your posts. Anyone that says they are an "elite" smoker is just as queer as you are. You are not going to "prove the placebo effect" because you are wrong. In fact, just by reading your response to posters, you are clueless. Keep going by your scientific methods and your hypothesis and all that shit because you are wrong. plain and simple. I'm done wasting my time on you, goodbye!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
btw, way to catch the sarcasm when i said "75%" I couldnt give a shit how much more it is, the fact is, if it was just a placebo effect, people wouldnt spend their time or money trying to get better pot or grow better pot if the same was achieved from brick weed. Also, I've been smoking everyday for about 7 years and I've never heard of anyone claim themselves to be a l33t smoker, this isn't some gay internet language we are talking about pal. I seriously would love to meet you some day just so I could laugh at you. hahaha what a clownnnn
now I will go smoke my NUGS out of my bong and get my placebo high... goodbye now! hahaha:rastasmoke:
hahhaha QFT!! so true, so true.. and anyone claiming to know the definition of "l33t smokers" is just as equal a douche.. My stomach hurts from laughin so hard.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sarah louise
correct it is imported:rastasmoke:Quote:
Originally Posted by NGC1300
anyone here answerQuote:
Originally Posted by needforweed
Lmao.. No one uses l33t smoker. Sorry, I guess it went over your head, but it was me making fun of people like you. And I quote:
Yeah, that's some authority you've got there with your 7 years experience, Mr. l33t Smoker. I hope you enjoy yourself when you tell your dealer how you took two hits of his shit and you were gone, "Sooo worth it!" and he silently laughs because he knows it's a scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by RelaxaBIT
But feel free to laugh and pretend like you have any kind of argument.. People like you get ripped off daily and think they're in heaven with slightly more potent weed. Oh, it's sticky? I'll pay even more for it! Who cares if I'm getting even less than I should because it wasn't properly dried? Come to think of it, I disproved almost every argument you made. I guess somebody got a little embarrassed ;).
That's okay. There are going to be a lot of embarrassed l33t smokers, like yourself, when we can finally cut through the ignorance in the world's stoner community and combat exploitation of naive customers, also like yourself.
If anyone else wants to chime in with an objective explanation, please do... Like I said before, this is the #2 listing on a google search for "commercial weed," so it's the best place to get this figured out.
(P.S. I've been smoking for 6 years, almost 7.)
All I know is neither one of you can hold a candle to Majesticman . . . :S2:
Gotabud is quite right in his deduction. Prices now are the direct result of a naive, perhaps ignorant, wave of cannabis smokers.
If it's not worth it to you, then don't buy it. Obviously you're a rec user, because regs won't treat anything except maybe lack of appetite and insomnia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
No, I don't agree. It may have been 10% when it was fresh down in Mexico or wherever it came from, but when it comes to you it's more like 3-5% at BEST because of fillers like leaves, sticks, seeds, etc. and severe damage to the trichs from compression, handling, and improper storage techniques. The percentage as I understand it refers to amount of THC in the weed by weight, and heat, light, and oxygen quickly degrade the THC into CBN and other non-psychoactive cannabinoids.Quote:
So have we all agreed that "garbage weed" is, at worst, 10% potency (as described by seedbanks; I don't really know what exactly that means), and that, on average, nug will probably only double that (20%)?
It's all in the cannabinoid ratios, not sheer percentage of THC alone that dictates type of high and duration. Hence the reason there's thousands of strains all with different effects.Quote:
Assuming THC content was relatively the same, the highs should have very similar durations, unless you can identify any other specific reasons to suggest otherwise.
It's also related to pollen in the buds from them turning hermie. Test this out by smoking some male flowers...I guarantee you a headache!Quote:
What do you mean by "stress headaches"? I would assume that if commercially grown crop gave you headaches over nug, it was probably the "additives" that you spoke of.
True, some unscrupulous dealers will leave a lot of moisture in the product, but don't buy it if you don't like it. The smell and taste is a product of the terpenes in the trichomes, and yes more moisture = more smell, although some strains are extremely smelly regardless.Quote:
Smokable weight per oz might actually be lower in nug, even considering the seeds in commercial, since the strong odor and sometimes even stickiness indicates it wasn't properly dried.
Talking never proves anything, you need to set up a blind or double blind trial to prove it. Roll 2 joints, one with chronic and one with dirt weed, mark them and give them to a friend who doesn't smoke much or at all. Tell him to smoke them and rate it based on whatever criteria you want, then see for yourself if he can tell.Quote:
I'm trying to prove that the difference in highs is mostly just the placebo effect. Yes, I felt like I could tell the difference between commercial and nug, but I was also always informed before coming to that conclusion, so I was expecting a difference.
Me personally, I've come to my own conclusions about it through experience. That being said, the rest is true especially since the price is higher, people are led to believe it's always better although sometimes this is not the case.Quote:
Also, speaking from experience is deceptive for the very reason I'm trying to prove. YOU are not a credible source, because you are under the impression there really IS a difference and therefore are far more likely to fall victim to the placebo effect. (You = general audience)
Well let's see, $20 a 1/4 for crap weed (average here for Mexi-brick), and $80-100 a 1/4 for some good nug...See where he got the 75%? I'm sure he meant 4x as much. Quantity dictates price-breaks and difference all depends on how much you buy of each. A pound of Mex is like $400-550 in my area as opposed to $1200 for the kind. On the other hand a gram is more like $2-5 & $20-25. So good weed being 3-10x more expensive, you're assuming the higher end of the spectrum.Quote:
Also, do your math right. It isn't paying 75% more... It's paying 750-900% more...
I do agree that the prices are way inflated, so grow your own and you'll be spending the same amount on an oz of your own as you would be on buying shwag, assuming you have some skill and know what's necessary to get and what's not in regards to equipment & nutrients & all.
hahaha seriously, i'm still laughing at this guy over here... and I dont know why you're quoting "l33t smokers" like i said I was one, because I didn't. Like i said, anyone who even brought up the term l33t smokers is a huge douche ( I have a pretty good idea it was you) Second, i'm not going to sit online and argue to you about something I know is a fact. I know what gets me high,the type of high I get, and I know that your assumptions are way off. Just take some time to read the poster above me and a few others to educate yourself. Also, i'm just curious, if you can yield the same amount of THC content out of the mids that you can with the dro or dank, why would anyone waste their time and money to grow a product that only "looks pretty but doesn't get you any higher or a diff type of buzz" ?? can you tell me that? I mean if the mexican brick weed had 15-20% thc in it, then no one would fucking grow the other shit because it would be just as easy and less of a hassel and less time and money. I don't give a SHIT what my weed looks like dude, I care about how my shit smokes. I do know that the brick weed doesn't usually exceed a THC content of over 4-8%. In a nice bud that was grown with care and creates more tricomes yields upwards to 15-20%. You are assuming everyone thinks like you or feels the same way you do because of how you feel when you smoke. Because just like anything, it can effect you different than it might others. Also, I have been an everyday smoker for 7 to 8 years. Ive actually been smoking since I was 14, but not everyday like I am now. So I guess you can count that 11 years so i'm not fucking stupid and I draw my own conclusions. And I do know that I wouldn't pay extra money from dro or dank if the fuckin schwag that pedro and his cat piss on were to get me an equal high to that of say a "jack herrer" strain. PLacebo effect or not, I know as soon as I hit the bud if the THC content is high or not just by the feelings in my lungs.
Also, to these other posters responding to my posts, I never once claimed to know more than anyone else or be a big shot smoker, I mean really who gives a shit? I don't know anyone of you, so i couldn't care less what you think.
This placebo bullshit is what is wrong
ust because you talk out your ass doesn't mean you make any sense. You havent disproven anything I have said, are you serious here? LOL! you have made a objective response but you haven't disproven shit dude, try again though... And I think it's just so funny you know me so well.. who woulda knew? you just know everything don't you?! You are just sooo damn smart and cool dude, I wish I could be just like you. seriously, as cool and everything. God, you are just too fucking cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotabud
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Originally Posted by redtails
I to agree prices are inflated, I never said they weren't. But I don't agree with what this poster is saying. He is basically saying you only buy dro and dank because It's pretty and "sticky" and not because it gets you any higher or have any differen't effects than the mids or brick weed. He's saying it's all in your head.. You are wasting your money buying the higher quality stuff because it's no different and it's just the "placebo effect" kicking in.. I'm sorry but I know this is wrong, and i'll argue this until I die... Anyone who honestly thinks this, has no idea what they are talking about.