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hello
i am growing in DWC and am 4 weeks into flower right now and im beginning to show signs of minor root rot for the past week or so....growth is still noticeable however some leaves are yellowing in a strange and weird way and i suspect the roots are to blame
ive been using a regimen of 2 tsp per gallon of hydrogen peroxide but it doesnt seem to be helping the roots
i was planning on using cannazym next grow for healthier roots but my question is can i begin using this product now in hopes that it will get my roots healthier so my plant can finish? or is this a product that is only effective if introduced early in a plants life b4 root rot becomes apparent
also a sort of related question....are hygrozyme and cannazyme basically the same things? aka do they perform the same functions and if not which one is better to get
You can start using cannazym at any time, preferably before symptoms/slime appears. However, if there is already slime on your roots, FLUSH OUT YOUR SYSTEM a day after adding the cannazyme, because it releases a LOT of previously unavailable nutrients back into the res. A beneficial bacterial complex like SubCulture is an excellent choice for dealing with mold-producing conditions over the long term, and running cannazym as a preventative measure works well too.
Most important is to figure out why you have those conditions. Is your res too warm? Are your plants too large for the pots? What is the aeration source?
Tell us a little about your style of hydro and your system specs, as well as environment.
well the res temp is a nice and cool 64
i am using 1 airstone for air
i am pretty sure i can trace back the root rot symptoms to when i first chanegd on my res...i needed somewhere to put the net pot with the plant in it and, not thinking clearly, i put it over an old pot i had used in a previous grow
of course being the idiot that i am, i forgot to clean and disinfect this pot so im pretty sure thats where the root rot couldve come from
i know ideally cannazym wouldve been used from the start but i bought it late and wasnt planning on using it this grow but since these circumstances have occurred im wondering if it can be just a quick fix so my plant can finish...because the buds are just looking so nice
i wish i could find my camera and post some pics....i am gonna try to borrow a friends camera in the next few days
would this sub culture u speak of be a better option for controlling the rot in the short term than the cannazyme?
edit: im also using the gh 3 part and liquid karma if this makes a difference in how i should be responding
My hydro guy would recommend Rhizotonic to you or a product called root excualotor (I can never spell it right) to actually treat root rot.....cannazym is more of a preventative than a fix itself. Good luck
and more airstones in your rez.....can't have too much O2 going in. You MUST stop the hydrogen peroxide if you use either Rhizo or Cannazym. They cannot be used together with H202....heads up there.
thanks for the input
since i already have cannazym i think im gonna use that for a day and then flush and then i just ordered a bit of rhizotonic as it looks like a wonderful product anyways and i will use that after the cannazym to stimulate new root growth
might be a bit too much but this plant just looks amazing right now at 4.5 weeks and i really want to make sure it finishes in time for christmas
Yes it pays to play preventative medicine here. You lose a lot if your plant goes down to root rot......and you can lose it within a few days. That's how I learned my lesson about Rhizotonic and cannazym.....by losing some VERY NICE plants several weeks in bloom to root disease.
Good luck..
Hey, I have lost about an equal amount of crop to harvest ratio due to root rot. So I know an awful lot about it now, let me try and help a bit.
First- The zyme products Canna/Hygro/Sensi are equivalent and people love all three, so use what you want. What they do is help break down dead roots so they can be reconsumed by the plant as food instead of rotting.
A zyme is not a bacteria, so it IS compatible with H2O2. Since your rez temps are ideal, then i believe that you can totally benefit from a beneficial bacteria.
Since you are going to go with a beneficial, you should stop the h2o2 it WILL kill the culture. (BTW you didn't say what percent h2o2 you were using). Now, your beneficial will need something culture on. So take a mesh bag or sock or something and stuff it with some lava rocks (NOT hydroton) and put your subculture onto that and put it in the rez. Also, as noted give as much air bubbles as you can, at your temp DO can be really high so take advantage!
Finally for now, decrease your PPMs and give it a double dosage of B-1. You may just make it, some plants will last out to harvest, but don't feel bad if you don't; generally they don't make it or make it worth it.
so is beneficial bacteria the same or different from a zym product?
and im using 3% h202 at 2 tsp per gallon
thanks for the help man
Stemis I will say one thing here.....if you turn the products over you will see printed clearly on each package NOT TO USE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE with these products. Says so right on it. That's for the CANNA line of products....I can't speak for subculture.
I reread Herbie's post very carefully....taking away my stupid assumptions as to what he said because I got it wrong.
I would go with the Canna products myself and not the H202, but that's just me .
And even though i've changed my post I feel I still owe Herbie an apology. I'm sorry I got your post wrong Herbie, and made wrong assumptions from it. Please forgive.
Good luck Stem
thanks for the insights
once the products get here ill let u know how it goes
The hygrozyme is ok to use with H202 in low ppm, thats what it says on the bottle anyway. ;) They don't sell cannazye at the shop over here so I havn't been able to try it.
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
zyms are not bacteria, so they are different things. The zyme stimulates the breakdown of the dead roots and convert to food, like the enzymes in your stomach that help break down food. Beneficials are bacteria that combat other bacteria. So its great if you can afford to run both.
H2o2 is not compatible with your beneficials, so you would choose one or the other but by your temperature I would suggest the beneficials route.
BTW, in hydro you use food-grade and 35% is most common. Some people will say that you should never use more that 2.5 ml per gallon of 35%, but I can promise you that you can use 15 mL per gallon without a problem.
every sight ive seen about h202 says you have to dilute the 35% to 3% and no more than 3 tsp per gallon
if im supposed to be using 3%, how come horticultural h202 is usually in the 3-5% range
3-5% is pre-diluted. 35% is concentrated, and convenient for cleaning out systems with no plants- you can use it at any strength you like, or dilute it down to 3% for use in a system with live plants in it.
Your res is too cold BTW. Try to keep it in the mid 70s.
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
i understand this, but the other guy was claiming you can use 15ml of 35% per gallon and everything ive ever read leads me to believe that would be terrible for plants which is why i use about 15 ml of 3% per gallon