First Grow: What do you think? Many Pics!

Anyone wanna give me some feedback on some of this stuff? I will be keeping this going for sure and any help is needed! Thanks!

Grow Room: The set up is about half my closet made air-tight with a white shower curtain. If I had a guess at dimensions, I would say it is about 3'x2.5'x4'tall. The exhaust is an old floor furnace piping that runs from the basement out the roof. I removed a piece of it in the closet and hooked a 50cfm exaust fan with 4" ducting to go out the roof, and the intake is a hole in the floor revealing the basement. You can see in the pics that the air is all purified.

Lights: I am using 2 fixtures right now. Fixture A consists of (6) 23w 6500k CFL's and (2) 13w 2700k CFL's. It goes over the 2 "babies". Fixture B consists of (4) 23w 6500k CFL's and (1) 13w 2700k CFL. It goes over the big pot with all the "back-ups" incase the 2 good ones are males. (shutter)

These pics are the contents grow room and the room itself.

Ok, now for the good stuff. This is Day 18-19 of veg from seeds in a paper towel.

Plant A:

This is Plant B. I would like some thoughts on this one if you guys do not mind. When normal plants grow shoots and colas, there is usually some sort of semmetry(?) with the leaves. Well, Plant B seems to only grow one side of a shoot at a time, in either direction. These pics should help explain.

All Plant B also 18-19 days from seed.

I might also add that I cut the lower 3-leaf beginner leafs out so the undergrowth can flourish on both! This created much visual improvement in just 1 day.

Nice setup, be sure to check the temperature. You got a nice kit of lights there, I'm quite sure they will be happy. The plant look healthy. Usually the MJ plant have a relative symmetric grow but this depend on a lot of conditions and the strain too change that. On my grow I got have a clone that got a little light burn and it made it grow in a weird way, don't worry your plants are not some kind of aliens ! :S2:

Looking good so far! From seed you usually don't see asymmetrical growth on the branch internodes until the plant is 'ready' for flowering. As you can see your B specimen doesn't want to follow those rules. Maybe it will be a real branchy one. I like your light fixtures by the way.

Thank both of you for looking and taking the time to post! This is truely my first grow so any info or tips help tremedously. Temp and humidity fluxuate, but always 77.5-81 degrees F and 45-55% humidity. I have a hygrometer inside ;) I am going to take a couple of pics to see if they stretched any since last night. I am actually trying to get them to stretch just a little bit to get ready for some LST. Is there any harm or benifit from removing the big, fat 7 leaves that are blocking the undergrowth, like the 2 beside the main cola on plant A?

Your plants are doing fine.

STOP CUTTING LEAVES.

They are abit undersized although very healthy. However if you continue to cut leaves, you are cutting power supply to the plant new growth.

Cease this practice at once. Only cut when :

you are topping a plant.
leves are dead / almost dead.

Those leaves are there for a reason. If you care about your plants, stop cutting them.

Days 7 - 28 determne gender. You are likely to force males with your cutting leaves.

Just as promised, here is a couple of updates. Notice how the big fan leaves on plant A thinned up and actually have space between the blades now.

1st pic is Plant A
2nd is Plant B
3rd are the "back-ups"

That under growth you want will NOT flourish now that yo have cut their power supply.

Each fan leaf is dedicated to the secondary growth. The fans are there for a reason.

In flower, if you cut the fans, you will cease the flower growth.
In veg, if you cut the fans, you will cease the secondary growth.

It is a weed. Leave it alone.

Oh...lose the 2700K lights during this stage. Useless. Replace with more 5500K + bulbs.

Thank you Hardon for your input, I will no longer cut the leaves off, though the secondary growth doubled the night I cut them. Perhaps it was a fluke,but from now on I will just let it go wild. As for the lights, I thought you wanted a couple of 2700k's just to balance the spectrum. I am not disagreeing with you, just seeking a little more information. Thanks again!

Also, when is the best time to top the plants?

You should alwasy have one plant per pot, even is they are back-up...

Time for an update, again. Looking for some feedback as usual :thumbsup: I haven't cut anything else since you guys said not to and the girls (fingers crossed) are doing well. They are a bit droopy in these pics due to a good misting I did about 5min before the pics. Let me know what you think!

Still looking for some "When to Top" info :D

First Plant A:

Here Plant B:

Just a couple of questions I had in mind...

Should they be taller and more developed at this age?
I think I have 1 or 1.5 gallon pots, how long will this be sufficient?
When will I know it is time to transplant?

They look good! How old are they right now?
In my opinion, they're gonna get rootbound in those little pots...
It would be a good idea to transplant to some bigger pots a couple days before you plan to switch to 12/12 for flower.

Kickass CFL light fixture, too!

Thank you Doobster, they are 20 days old from seeds. I am def going to transplant before flowering. I'm really anxious to top them or some kind of LST, but I am a noobie and dont really know when to do it. ill be back in about an hour or so to check for posts. Thanks again.

go ahead and top it whenever you want
the sooner the better:thumbsup:

where exactly do I cut to top the plant? i know it is at the top, but is thier a certain place? a pic would be amazing, but any help will be appreciated.

couple of pics i just decided to post, im bored... anyone else?

what kind of soil mix did u use? plants look good tho.

the soil was just a MG potting soil mix that was like a 4-1-2 or something. I was afraid I would burn the plants so I flushed it a few good times. I have been introducing some nutes with similar NPK ratios as the soil. I was and still am very broke and could not afford to do everything 100% pro :jointsmile:

I know MG is terrible, but I had no choice. Thanks for the comment and I will put some pics of the soil mix and the fertilizer soon. Thanks for keeping the post rolling. Looking for a lot more posters! (especially with some info on topping and LST):stoned:

There's no need to top it... just get some 12" pipe cleaners from the crafts dept. at Wal Mart... $2.

Drill some holes around the rim of the pot... Bend your plant's main stem over gently.... Use the pipe cleaner, tying one end around the stem & then pulling the other end thru a hole in the rim of the pot & tying it off to hold the stem in the bent position.

It's easy. Here are some pics of LST's I've done.

You are the man... plain and simple. Thanks bro, I think I will do that and put up some pics when I finish... maybe tomorrow. Thanks again.

Pic Updates: I topped plant B since it grows all crazy anyway and it seems to already be recovering. Thanks to everyone for all your information and tips so far, it really helps.

First 2 pics are Plant A
Second 2 pics are Plant B
Last pic is the undergrowth of Plant A (similar to plant B). I count 10 shoots for branches that already have 7-blade leaf production. It is very dense so I am thinking about tieing it down like Doobster explained. Seems to me from my own reading and what not that I have come across some kind of Indica strain. These plants don't seem to have any Sativa dominant traits that I can see.

Anyone have any thoughts?

lookin super good!
:thumbsup:

Awesome log man I will be taking a seat for this one. Good luck with everything and they look awesome right now!

Thanks for all of the comments, or should I say compliments. I assure you that this log will continue to live as long as my "women" do. I will be fairly busy today, however I will be doing some tie down LSTing in about 8 hours so be ready for more pics :thumbsup:

Any last minute tips are welcome, thanks again to Doobster for the pictorial illustrations.

Peace :stoned:

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Oh, and you're welcome :) Have fun with your LST project!
Don't forget to post up some pics when they start bushing out.

Pics are a must... Thanks again

I figured I would post a couple of pics because I am bored...

Pic 1 and 2 are the plants under the lights (finally figured out how to make it NOT wig the camera out).

Pic 3 is some supplies I went and picked up for some LSTing tonight... more pics on that later. Do you guys think it is too short to tie the top down? It has about 4 levels of shoots, about 10 shoots total, and I would LOVE to hit that undergrowth with some CFL love!

Keep checking up on this thread, I am on here quite often! Talk to me folks! :rasta:

They look really healthy, next pics you take you should pull them out from under the light to take a pic. I hope you get an hps to flower em! lol. even a 250w would do them justice.

Wow! Looking great. Just bring the tops half way down until the plants get bigger and then bring it down further.

Here it is, my first attempt at LST. Let me know what you think.

Pic 1 and 2 are Plant A. Do you think that undergrowth will flourish with all the new light, or is it doomed due to me cutting their powerhouses off?

Pic 3 and 4 are Plant B. It turned out to be the best one, probably because I didn't massacre it like i did Plant A and take all the big fan leaves off.

Pic 5 is both of the plants in the place of rest. The colas on both plants are turned toward the warm white bulb in hopes that it will turn back toward the 3 daylights the new shoots are knessled under.

Please feel free to make some comments, I will be watching :rasta:

Peace

Oh, and just for kicks... the backups, which I actually plan on vegging for about 2 more weeks or so, then flowering and smoking so I dont smoke my good ones :rastasmoke: They have actually really improved. I tied them all out to grow away from each other, and I topped all of them.

Check it out.

Also, is it possible to have a cloning station inside my growroom with the vegging plants?

Wow, not even one comment on the LST... I hope I did it right. I am about to post some pictures of the plants this morning which seem to have recovered already. The main cola has already grown back up straight again on both plants. I will be back shortly with a photo update.

Peace.:stoned:

the lst looks good to me. now watch the comming days and weeks as they bush out.:thumbsup:

Here we go...

Pic 1 and 2 are Plant A, as youcan see the undergrowth has already passed the height of the main cola that is tied off to the side now, at least over 1" of growth in the first 12 hours. I actually shocked... what do you think?

Pic 3 and 4 are Plant B, just as strong as yesterday with a considerable amount of growth. If you guys remember, it was the one that had the odd growing pattern of 1 shoot in a random place at a time. It seems to be the better of the 2 just a short 4 or 5 days later.

Pic 5 is my "Get Some Smoke Fast" Project, otherwise known as "GSSF FOR REALS" :pimp:

I'm actually really high at the moment.

WHERE DA COMMENTS IS??

hey man lookin good

like to see that you tried the LST

a lot of growers don't know about methods like LST and topping!

good job on the LST job too, awesome to see 1" growth in only 12 hours!!

Cool guys, thanks for the comments. I will be adding more pics in like 12 hours or so