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Hey, don't know if anybody but me believes in this......
The moon will be in Cancer on Nov.15th @2:52 pm EST until Monday Nov 17 until 4:06 pm EST.
This is a good time to germinate seeds if anyone needs help germinating.
The moon will be in the 3rd quarter which helps develop roots.....Best to not plant right near times given, as that is the time sign is changing.
Hope this helps, if so let me know, as I am interested.
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Well, this is very interesting.. Not that i dont belive you (im pretty open minded about this stuff) just wondering where you heard/read that? Also, should you germinate the 15th through the 17th? What if i germinate on the 15th, they crack, should I not plant them until after the 17th?
This is all purely conjecture for me because I germinated on the 1st and all the plans are already on their way.
Are there any other dates we should be aware of?
Think I double posted, sorry.
I use Llewewllyn's Moon Sign Book. they claim they are more accurate than the Farmer's Almanac.
You can germinate any time between 15th and 17th as per above. Plant seeds per usual methods upon cracking. This book, which I have been using for gardening for 10 years, purports increases in seed germination of up to 96%.
This helps if you have old seeds or if you have valuable seeds you want to give every chance.
After the moon enters Leo on the 17th at 4:07 EST it is a barren unfruitful time. This could be used as a control. Use same seeds and germinate on 17th &18th in Leo and see if fewer seeds germ.
The book has everything from when to buy a car etc. by using Lunar guidelines If anyone wants, I could post a few more favorable germ dates or look up something specific related to gardening.
Hope this helps ya'll.
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For a super excellent time to germinate seeds, try Dec 4,after 1:23 pm EST until Dec 6 9:43 pm EST.
FIRST QUARTER OF THE MOON BENEFITS: This quarter is for planting annuals producing their yield above the ground which are generally of the leafy kind.
SECOND QUARTER OF THE MOON BENEFITS: Good for planting crops of the leafy type that produce their seed inside the fruit.
VERY BEST TIME TO PLANT: The moon enters Pisces Thurs. Dec 4 . This is a very fruitful time as the moon is in the 1st quarter.
The moon enters the second quarter at 4:25 pm EST on the 5th. This will slightly decrease seed germination power.
Sat. Dec 6th at 9:44 pm EST the moon enters the barren sign of Aries. Thus planting seed at this time typically reduces the amount of seed that germinates.
Hope this helps anyone interested in the benefits of planting with the moon's signs. This method increases germination rates up to 96% as compared to 56% germination rate without moon's benefit. :)
For me, the best time to germinate is when I need to start the next crop.
Altho I'm sure the practice came in handy back before banks started giving calendars to farmers, I am doubtful when it comes to relying on farming folklore to grow cannabis. Especially indoors where we control every aspect of growth, and (for the most part) have no worries about a coming frost.
Curious...have you ever done a side-by-side comparison of results?
I agree with the moon phases, effecting all growing plants. My Dad said " plant seeds, by the dark of the moon"...so, I do.Quote:
I am doubtful when it comes to relying on farming folklore to grow cannabis.
He grew hemp during World War II. They planted it along the fence row, about 6-10 feet out, that way it didn't affect normal crops, like corn, etc. They said it was taller than the corn and twice as thick; as far as the eye could see.
I'm sure farmers over the past 200 years; noticed a trend, about what works best.
Ahhh...I see your point. My dad told me to avoid planting during the passing of Halley's Comet. Something about the spirit of the plants being sucked-up by the stardust that follows.
To each their own.
I'm also not a believer in lucky talismans, horoscopes, biorhythms, divining rods or pyramid power. If you feel more comfortable believing in folklore, fine. Just make sure the tales you believe in, do no harm.
I have never once seen anyone actually do a blind study of this, and thusly remain skeptical. Till it's proven, it's all conjecture. (proving your stance thru pictorial expression is of course acceptable...)
"you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make them drink"
I have seen numerous tips and tricks to germinate seeds listed in these boards. If someone has spent hundreds on seeds, I would think they might want to give those seeds EVERY chance possible.
In both posts I offered a good time as well as an alternate barren time. Thus allowing anyone an opportunity to do their own experiments.
I was just trying to help, especially newbies.
If anyone wants me to continue posting helpful tips, please reply. Otherwise I will keep my mouth shut in the future.
:)
This subject comes up a few times per year, at least. Nobody has ever posted results confirming or debunking this. However, since using sound germination techniques produce a predictable result no matter what time of year I plant, I find it rather doubtful that it matters at all.
Your post shows you believe the farmers had a 'secret' to planting. I am not saying you are wrong to see it from that perspective, but that there just may be an alternative explination behind the reasoning for this technique. I believe that back in the early days not all farmers had calendars, but by watching moon cycles and weather over the years found a good method of "starting" their season to assure seasonal weather or market deadlines were met, no matter what region of the country you were farming in. :thumbsup:
speak you mind ..LolaGalQuote:
If anyone wants me to continue posting helpful tips, please reply. Otherwise I will keep my mouth shut in the future.
some will follow, some won't....speak wisely ..or something, close to it....:smokin:
Advanced Techniques Forum is for cutting edge proven ideas...I assume....and agriculture doesn't change too much at once.
I originally posted my first gardening by the moon tip in Basic growing forum, but someone moved it to advanced techniques, so I assumed that is where it belonged:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch Pimp
Rusty: Yes there have been studies done by scientists to prove this works, however it does not sound like you need any help growing at all. You are not the audience I was trying to reach. I was trying to help the person who has blew a bunch of money on seeds and has to pray that at least a few germinate. Not all of us live in areas where there is access to good genetics. Why not use the same seeds, use the dates given and give us a report on what pops up. I have experienced a 56% germ rate with same seeds in barren moon sign, planted same seeds in favorable moon sign and got 96% germination. Is that an appreciable difference? If you only had 10 seeds and 5 popped versus 9 popping....which would you prefer?:D
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that is strange?...but, who knows what happens after midnite...:thumbsup:Quote:
I originally posted my first gardening by the moon tip in Basic growing forum, but someone moved it to advanced techniques, so I assumed that is where it belonged
Update: Using date of Nov 16 08, three seeds were attempted to germ. Germ was done in mix of ProMix and perlite in a small peat pot.
Seeds recently obtained were packaged in June 2007.
planted using favorable moon sign of 11-16 all three popped today. 100% germination rate in old seeds:)
Hoorah! Planting by the moon works for me...(LolaGal happily whistles) Hope it helps you!
Using date of Nov 16 as optimal date I had a 100% germination rate using old seeds packed in June 2007:)
Which scientists...? If you could point me to the links that back this statement up, (along with their results) perhaps my mind would change. However, I try to avoid wives tales and folklore when it comes to growing my meds.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
I'd prefer not having to delay or accelerate my grow patterns to suit the moon, as sound technique trumps voodoo and supposition. Relying on the moon phases, without sound technique...you still get the same ratio of failures. I am curious tho...is cannabis a Libra or a Virgo...? Are Indica's and Sativa's the same sign...? And isn't there some magical month when the moon suits planting cannabis better than during the other 11 months? Are there any incantations we shoud be reciting during the planting, to assure potency, disease resistance and mega-growth...? Should we face mecca...? Do we adjust for longitude and latitude of our garden, or for where the strains originated, under a pyramid pointed north?Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
It's kinda funny...you show a desire to recieve respect for from others for posting this, yet you seem to have little respect for dissenting opinions. Since it's you saying the technique you use is sound, it is incumbant uopn you to provide the proof. As I can not find anything scientific supporting your claims, my opinion remains unchanged.
Don't like my opinion? Then prove me wrong, and show scientific proof. (others are of course welcome to help you find this info...)
p.s. nobody has told you that you shouldn't post. If you are a bit touchy, I apologize for challenging this 'technique', but this, of course, won't keep me from poking fun at the folklore. :jointsmile:
I don't crave respect nor have I shown disrespect to other's opinions. I have repeatedly stated I posted this with a desire to help others. You have confused horoscopes with lunar planting. They are not related.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Today people often reject the notion of moon gardening. The usual nonbeliever is not a scientist, but the city dweller who has never had any real contact with nature and no experience of natural rhythms.
Does the moon have any effect on the earth? I guess you are right Rusty, it has no effect at all.
I care not if you agree with my opinions or not, nor do I care if you challenge my techniques. It is rather comical to read comments such as what sign is this plant, mecca, voodoo etc. Have fun at my expense all you like. I don't need to or want to change your opinions.
If your methods of growing suit your needs, great. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. This thread was intended for those looking for an extra edge in germinating and could in no way hurt or hinder anything.
Gee...I'm real sorry that asking for the proof you saw offends you. Thought it may be a great way for you to show us non-believers how the testing was done, and what the results were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
The incantation, pyramid and horoscope references were intended as a joke, as some feel they are on the same par.
Did I say the moon has no effect on earth and it's inhabitants...? No. Corals are definatelly lunar-based in timing their spawning, but can withhold spawning if conditions are unfavorable. But that's a reproductive timing thing (so they all spawn on same night) and it's comparing apples and oranges, as cannabis is a terrestrial entity.
I just find it hard to believe that seeds have developed over the millions of years, to wait for exactly the right moon phase to germinate. Were this the case we would not be able to germinate till it's genetics tell it that the moon is in the right house or phase or whatever. It seems more of an opportunist, taking advantage of any opportunity to grow and propogate. Good soil conditions, or no so good conditions...it seems always ready to try.
Rusty: Thanks for the wonderful apology. Let's be friends.:) By the way, you are talking to a scientist if a Bachelors of Science means anything these days.;) I Have reported my success rates with planting same seeds and germination rates of seeds planted in "barren" signs of the moon.
Yes one can plant a seed any day of the month and with optimal conditions it is likely to germinate. Lunar planting simply optimizes germination. More seeds planted come up using the Gardening By The Moon method.
However if one has limited experience germinating, old seeds, etc., THIS is when to use this method.:) Of course once you try it you will always want to Garden By The Moon. Try it and let us know.
Please see above for ACTUAL scientific results of 100% germination of OLD seeds using this method!
Yippee...(LolaGal does several backflips across the room) I am so glad to have this method it works so well for me.
A quote from another thread by her dankness, StinkyAttic
"Guys will you PLEASE fucking knock it off? What is it, a full moon?"
END QUOTE
LOL, couldn't resist adding to the thread
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Day 10 update: WOW! I knew these dates were good for germing and rooting but I am shocked.
Already have roots coming out the bottoms of the 3 inch peat pots. Awesome.
I've tried this with vegetables a couple times. Never seemed to help. But I know some farmers who swear by it.
the famous 'Farmers' Almanac' has charts for it, too ... every midwest corn/bean farmer I know says it's all a load of bull (but, they all plant by the moon, anyway) :D
Hey I just read this post for the first time but I have five plants that are 14 days old as of the 1st of December and these plants are growing faster than I was expecting, they had tap roots about an inch long in one day but I kept them germinating and by the second day they were out of their shells and had the round starter leafs. I put them in rock wool and they are growing greatly, I think. The only thing I regret is that I put all five in the same rock wool but I'm not to worried. BTW I'm using one 42w (150w) cfl.
"What............we have, here..............is .............failure to communicate"
PmBigBud: If I understand you...you planted in these dates by accident and now realize that gardening by the moon must be why your plants are doing so good.
Thanks for letting me know it helped.
well yeah thats what happened. how do you think they are doing? I think they look well given the grow condition and age.
I think they look awesome! Better than mine! Bigger too. Way to go. Keep up the good work.
Just a reminder to ya'll who need help germinating seeds.
Dec 4 after 1:23 pm EST is a really GREAT time to germinate.
I will be using for White Rhino and California Orange Bud.
I'll let you know how it turns out. If anyone else tries these dates let me know your success/failures. Thanks. Happy Growing.
just thought i'd throw this out there:
there is something in one of my cultivation books about using this method. it mentions the gravitational effect of the moon drawing the water table up, ever so slightly, and thus helping to increase germination success. theres some other hypothesized theories in there about why else it may affect germing positively, but only hypothesized.
stay safe everyone
-GG84
I understand your stance on the subject, but that test is definatelly not scientific, nor is the 'phases of the moon' technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaGal
Around two months ago, I planted 15 seeds in 15 cups. All 15 sprouted. I only have room for 12 vegging plants, so I culled the weakest 3. I sexed the plants after being in flower for about a week, and what do ya know...all females. Bummer...I kinda wanted to pollinate.
Did the phase of the moon affect my seedlings? Was the moon in the right house, or were their bio-rhythms in proper alignment...?
No. Looking back at my records, I femmed those seeds around 4 years ago.
You want to try and prove the technique? Grab a few hundred thousand seeds of the same genetics, divide into groups of 100, and start planting a few hundred per day, for a couple of hundred lunar cycles. Make sure all are planted at same depth, pointy side down, under identical conditions throughout the germination process. Document the results, then do it again a couple of times to verify findings. Then, do the same thing with pointy sides up. Then face them west, then point them north under a pyramid, lol.
A Google search will show (if you dig deep enough) that a couple of Universities have tried, and to this day, no conclusive results have been posted that I'm aware of. (it's never been proven as a valid technique) If someone comes along with valid proof, I'll possibly reform my opinion, but until then, I'll just keep hangin' garlic around my growspace, to keep those pesky warewolves out of my garden. It's obviously working...as my garden is fine and I've found no warewolf footprints around the area. :jointsmile:
LOL Rusty..Rusty...Rusty..
I have been up nights crying because I can't change your opinions.......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ......................
13th day after popping soil: Transplanted to large green plastic cup on 1st when moon in Capricorn (good for planting root crops). Moon was in 1st quarter, which is good for leafy annuals.
Already have roots visible through plastic cup almost to bottom. Gonna let them get a little rootbound before transplanting again.
My intention is to grow a "thoroughbred" plant with all of it's transplanting, etc., done in optimal moon signs. Plants will be flowered in Libra (good sign for flowers) Then plants will be harvested in favorable moon sign. With very little planning ahead it is an easy matter to find good dates, usually 3 day periods, that suit your plant's needs.
Hopefully by taking advantage of different aspects of lunar gardening plants will do better and have fewer problems with molds, disease, pests, etc. Thanks for dropping by!:thumbsup:
Just checked on my Dec 4 planting. One WR has poked up her head tonite! She must be the early bird in the bunch.
Woohoo, 2 WRs popped and 2 COBs popped during the night. Still waiting for the last two......as usual started in small peat pots with promix and perlite. No presoaking etc., just using the powers of the MOON!
Thanks for dropping by.:)
These gals are on fire! One week after transplant they have roots coming out bottom again. Already have 4 nodes. Stinky stinky babies. Nothing like the smell of a fresh plant growing in the morning........
Thanks for dropping by...:)
So when you garden based on the moon, do you germinate at like 1am on that day?
I have to give the times the moon enters and exits a favorable period. This is mostly so you can avoid planting near exact times given to avoid planting in another sign.
Since 1:23 p.m. EST was time moon entering favorable period, I used time of 4 pm CST to plant on the 4th.
You can plant anytime during the favorable period with good results, I just wanted to get going! This is my experimental log to let others know of this easy method that helps me have healthy plants!
EDIT: After posting this, stuck my head in the bathroom and GUESS WHAT
Everbody's heads are sticking up! 3 WRs and 3 COBs! WooHoo! YeeHaw! 100% Germination Success! [LolaGal does backflips across room] I am doing the Happy Dance! Now cross ya'lls fingers that I can get 3 moms....one of each type. (Please Santa that is all I want for Christmas...girls.....I have been a good gal.)
:) Happy Gardening By the Moon! :)
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*holding up olympic score card*
"9.8 for Form and Artistic Ability"
diggin the backflips:cool:
Thanks RockSteady! It's nice to have a positive comment in this thread! But I don't think I would do well in the Olympics! Too many .....uh...tests........:)
The girls are all up this morning trying to get the shells off their heads. I always want to help, but am trying to control myself.
Thanks for dropping by to visit, ya'll come back soon. The girls and I love company! :)