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We are less than a day from the election and less than a day and a half from knowing who will be the next President of the United States (assuming no month-long Supreme Court legal battles!). Who do you think is going to win?
Remember, the poll is not about who you are voting for --- it's about who you think will WIN.
Its a shame people are forced to vote for a facist or a socialist.
I sugest you start this thread over and give people ALL the canidates to choos from.
But given only 2 i say Obama by a landslide.
Everyone says Obama has a BIG lead.
I think so many people think that, that obama supporters will not show up and vote.
And mcain people think hes behind so there ALL going to go out and vote.
I say Mcain will win.
I am positive that Obama will win.
In fact, I think it is far more likely that Obama will win with well over 300 electoral votes than it is that McCain could come up with the 270 to win. It may be close in the popular vote, but I think there is a chance of an Electoral College landslide.
In order for McCain to win, he'd have to take all the states Bush won in 2004, some of which are leaning toward Obama, and also sweep all the tossups, many of which show Obama ahead in the polls (just not enough ahead to say they "lean" toward Obama). All the polling shows the race going to Obama.
Probably the only way for McCain to win would be if there are assumptions about the race and the polling that are flat-out wrong, which could be the case. Maybe Obama's ground organization and get-out-the-vote operations are not as strong as everyone thinks. Maybe newly registered and younger voters will not turn out the way everyone thinks. Maybe there is a hidden "Bradley effect" racial factor that hasn't registered in the polls. Maybe the conservatives are more fired-up than they seem. Maybe ALL the undecides will break for McCain. Any one of those things might be true, but it seems to me that they would ALL have to be true for this thing to swing McCain's direction --- the electoral gap is just too big for any one of these factors alone to swing it.
Nothing is for certain until the votes are counted, but I think it will go to Obama.
How many people LIE to pollsters anyhow?
BOB Barr Libertarian canidate should have slipped in to take over the void left by Ron Paul. With the two choices given I sincerely think he would of had a chance.
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Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
I ALWAYS LIE TO POLLSTERS hahahaha
Not once have i told the truth, normally ill make up a middleastern accent, and screem about praise allah
I thought about putting on a Third Party option, but I decided it was just so far-fetched that a third party will get anywhere close to winning that I didn't do it. This poll is about who will WIN, not about who you are going to vote for --- there is already a thread for that. Do you think a third party candidate could actually WIN tomorrow? I would be surprised if a third party could even pick up 1 electoral vote, let alone the 270 needed to win. And I do not mean that out of disrespect for third parties --- I think I'm just being realistic about who will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
If you want to see that option, I can ask P4B to add it to the poll. Let me know.
obama will win but it will be a hollow victory because republicans will get over 40% of the vote despite the disasterous bush administration and the pissweak mccain/palin campaign
mccain and palin would probably win if george bush hadn't been a complete screwup...george bush is the wind in obama's sails
Biden is the wind in mcains sail
You are right that there is a danger of complacency and some Obama supporters will not show up if they think it is already in the bag. Personally, I don't think it is going to make a big difference. There is also a danger of McCain supporters thinking that if it is ineveitable he has lost, why bother showing up? The idea that it is a done deal can cut both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoned88911
McCain will win.
Thats how much faith I have in the American public.
If Obama wins, i'll happily admit I was a pessimistic douchebag ;) .
Until then...
I think we will restore your faith in America ...Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Basher
I too think it is to late, But its not a waste. I am voting 3rd party tommorow.
thats one less for Both and a signal to the rest of america that my vote counted!
But I would like to see a mock election through this poll. That would be kewl.
If BobBarr would have been more vocal I think many RP followers would have went with him and he would have had a chance, given more time.
:thumbsup:
If you want a thread wher you can actually CAST YOUR VOTE, then check this one out: http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...your-vote.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
You can vote for a third party in that thread.
I wish Third Party candidates had a better chance to actually win too...
I think it'll be McCain. I hope I am wrong.
right...Quote:
Originally Posted by stoned88911
PUMA's tells supporters to lie and tell pollsters they support O(good news)
PUMAs don’t forget to say you are voting for Barack Obama if polled… : P.U.M.A
Regardless, these dirty tricks or foolish/childish tactics aint gonna work this one time around, i would have given it to ya in any other election
some fearmongers say that the black population will riot if mcsame wins because the polls show satan in the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
Then again the same peeps say weed is bad for ya........ what do they know.?:mad:
the thought that obama might win absolutely scares the hell out of me.
He is going to win, but you don't have as much to worry about as you think. Just relax. It will be OK. We survived Bush, didn't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Hello? This is a vote about who you think WILL WIN, not who you wish would win. There are two options - Obama who is currently leading in all of the polls and projections, and McCain who is behind by double-digits - there are no other candidates who have a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
By the way: It's pretty funny that you describe Obama as Socialist and McCain as Fascist - One of the main problems with our two party political system is that there isn't very much difference between the two main centrist parties - There are a handful of issues and positions with barely different view points, not a wide spread of ideas and outlooks as you will find in countries with multi-party systems, and yet Americans are fooled into thinking that these two centrist parties represent opposite political ideologies. Sad. Funny, but sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatekeeper777
we aint fooled by no1 but ourselves. our own blown out "pride"Quote:
Originally Posted by IAmKowalski
thats cuz we think we got THE best system in the world, rejecting to accept that we got our own flaws in the system here, failing to change and correct the wrongs in the end.
Your still missing the big picture.... too bad. Maybe when your grown and have some lifes experiences behind you, and perhaps you own a small business, or your working for a small business....Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonrider
Then there is the Constitution of the United States of America that seems to have been tossed by the wayside...
He has already said that he is going to do away with the 2nd ammendment.... the *RIGHT* to bear arms.... then put a 500% tax on firearms, and confiscate all of the legally registered guns. This is exactly how Hitler took Poland. Whats next?? the right to worship?? the right to free speech?? The right of due process??
and why is it that *EVERY* OPEC nation, and terrorist country wants Obama to win??
Why is it that Obama wants to take the hard earned money of the working class and hand it over to the slugs that won't work because they get that free money, food, and housing form the government?? I am already paying 40% of my *NET* income to taxes, I can't afford to pay any more.
Why is it that nobody seems to be able to produce Obama's *REAL* birth certificate?? or is it just because he really was born in Kenya?? The constitution specifically says that one of the *REQUIREMENTS* to be President, is to be a natural born citizen. (McCain was born in the Canal zone, at the time it was a US posession)
Why is it that Obama can only spew retoric that has no substance... he says he wants to change the US, but has no idea *HOW* he is gonna do it.
Why is it that Obama said that the United States is the greatest country in the world, then in the same breath says "Lets change it"... change it to what???
There a bunch of yellow dog democrats, and a whole lot of impressionable college kids that just don't know any better that are gonna vote for Obama too. Did you ever stop to think that all of the freaks and wackos from the Peoples Republic of Berekely of the 60s and early 70s are now the professors that are teaching our children??? They didn't have a clue then either.
Did you ever stop to think about all of the good stuff that Shrub tried to do but was shot down by the democrat controlled congress??
People talk about the balance of power between the democrats and the republicans... that balance is about to go out the window and the US will be unwittingly turned into a socialist country. I am afraid what that is gonna do for my children and their children and so on.
Dude, I'm 42. I think I get the big picture. I've got plenty of life experience, and most of my jobs have been working for small busineses. I've rejected some jobs at small businesses in the past because they didn't offer healthcare --- maybe if I could buy private insurance at group rates with no exclusion for pre-existing conditions, I would have taken those jobs. Obama's healthcare plan is going to help small businesses get good employess who want healthcare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Are you kidding me? That was Bush tossing the constitution by the wayside, not Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
He's not going to take your guns away. He's already said so. Pure BS. Where do you even get this stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
And it was Bush who has weakened due process, not Obama.
Do you make over $250,000 per year? If not, then your taxes will go down, not up. If you do make that much, then I actually think you could afford to pay more. And I disagree that the extra money will go to "slugs that won't work because they get that free money, food, and housing form the government."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
If he wasn't a citizen, it would have been proven by now. Conspiracy theory BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Go read the platform -- it is all there in detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
This country is great, but it's on the wrong track. Don't you think we need some things to change? We've lost our place in the world in the last 8 years. We've taken some serious wrong turns, and if we don't make a few changes, we wil no longer be a great country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
It's called democracy. Everyone gets to vote, even the ones you don't agree with. If we all agreed on everything, then we wouldn't need Democracy --- we could just put you in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
I can't think of anything like what you described. Good things Bush tried to do? No, can't think of one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
Ha ha! This is not going to become a socialist country! You've been listening to Joe the Plumber too much. I don't think he knows what socialism really is. Socialism is NOT a progressive income tax. We've had progressive income tax for something like 70 or 80 years or more --- have we been socialist that whole time? Socialism is state ownership of the means of production. Obama has never proposed anything like that. If you are worried about nationalization of businesses, you should be more worried about Bush than Obama. Bush is a big fan of socialism for the wealthy --- privatize the profits, nationalize the losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
I agree there is a danger of what happens when the balance of power is lost --- I mean look how bad the Republicans screwed up when they held all the branches of government. McCain's argument has been basically, Look how WE abused OUR power when Republicans held both houses and the presidency --- don't give the Democrats the same power you gave US. That's ridiculous. Republicans need to take some time off and think about why they became so far out of touch with mainstream America that they are going to be completely stripped of all their political power. They brought in on themselves. And the Democrats need to look at what happened to the Republicans and not make the same mistakes. If they do win control of all branches, and they do make the same mistakes, then you get the chance to vote them out of congress in 2 years, and retake the presidency in 4. That's the beauty of Democracy.
If you are just making these arguments because you like to argue politics or you want to convince others of how to vote, then that is great. But if you REALLY are WORRIED about these things you brought up, like you said you were, then you need to relax. Obama is a real American citizen, and he is not going to throw out the Constitution, take away your guns, tax you into poverty, and turn us into a socialist country. You are going to feel pretty silly in a few years when none of the crap you are worried about comes to pass, and instead the country has a strong economy, good jobs, a good healthcare system, more renewable energy, less pollution, strong allies, greater security, etc., etc. Hell, you might even vote to re-elect Obama in 4 years.
Where do you get this stuff? If you actually believe anything you just wrote, then clearly all that life experience hasn't taught you to think objectively and check your facts. It is good to see the Republican foot soldiers shredding what little credibility the party had left though. Keep up the good work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi Steve
For once in my life, I would like to act like Stan Smith the right-winger but in the other direction: :D
I aint even gonna comment on this anymore, Obama's the next president, you may start freaking out in, lets see 15 hours. yes, prepare for your beginning of the end children.
just one thing: IF ANY PRESIDENT SCREWED UP OUR CONSITITUTION THAT IS G.W. BUSH
HAVE U EVEN READ THE PATRIOT ACT FULLY? DO U KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR AMENDMENTS IT TOTALLY VIOLATES?
OH YES, I FORGOT, U AINT BEEN TO COLLEGE TO TAKE A GOVERNMENT CLASS TO HAVE A CLUE!
EXPERIENCE IS REALLY GOOD, BUT WITHOUT CORRECT & COMPLETE INFORMATION, AT BEST ITS ONLY HALF OF THE EQUATION, IT CANNOT AND DOES NOT MAKE UP FOR THE INFORMATION PART, NEVER HAS!
sorry for all the shouting, now u may continue ranting n bashing:D
Obama will win, but Nader should
They called it for Obama about 4 hours ago. At that point he had over 338 Electoral votes with four states not yet called, so the count could still go higher. It was close in the popular vote, but a landslide in the Electoral votes, which is close to what the polls have been saying for a long time.
Congratulations to those of you who called it correctly!