Realy worried about grandson 18yr old

Not sure if this is the proper forum so perhaps someone can direct me?
My grandson apperently smoked some weed about a month ago and it was he thinks laced with some crack not sure how long he smoked.
His moods go from the kid I used to know which I have only seen twice to this hyped person I dont reconize changing subjects constently and is parinoid about things and obsessed with making money. He says when he was normal he is trying to wein off himself and if it doesnt work is going into rehab. Problem is when hes hyped up he wants nothing to do with this idea.
What can I do to help?


Thanks
Rob

Make sure he does'nt smoke anymore weed laced with crack...most likely he did not smoke weed with "crack" in it. Sounds more like angel dust (PCP) to me which is the most common adulterant in marijuana and can cause major personality changes, paranoia, psychosis, etc. He also might have just smoked some really killer weed or some sativa that had intense trippy effects or that heart racing buzz some people can't handle.

He needs a break from smoking weed if you ask me, I don't think kids should be smoking weed anyways.

Take him to the nearest mental hospital you can find and set up a visit or a tour so he can see where he is headed if marijuana is causing him to be in some type of unstable state of mind, ask him if he would like to stay there and see his reaction. As far as being obsessed with making money..that is not always a bad thing. It does make the world go round' like it or not. Maybe he is just waking up to that reality now...for all you know he might be just fine, or he might be selling drugs which is why he would have good reason to be paranoid. Either way, if he is just smoking weed then you really don't have much to worry about imo, it's the other dangerous drugs like cocaine, pcp, prescription pills, etc that do the real damage. Good luck, God bless.

Good info above.

My 2 cents:

Be careful if he goes to see a doctor or psych. Every doctor these days is paid to write dangerous prescriptions that are way more detrimental than anything weed can do. AVOID PRESCRIPTIONS!!! especially psych medicines...very scary.

If he is into making money...make sure it's with a good job and not as a drug dealer. 18 years old. that kid has a long life ahead of him. Dealing at such a young age (or any age.,.) instills the wrong sense of work ethic. Also, if he is dealing and just starting out...man...let's hope he's got A LOT of street smarts.

Weed is not harmful. Making money with weed can easily be harmful.

good luck.
skeet

sounds like he got bi-polar. the description about grandson you described apparently fits the criteria of mania under bi-polar spectrum. im not licensed or anything. im just saying

make sure if he wants to continue smoking weed, that he knows where it comes from, and he rolls his own joints...bowls, whatever but people do tend to that a lot...

if he does want to go see a psych doctor...i recommend against it from my experience, if youve known for as long as you have, you know what kind of person he is...you could tell there was something not right with him, doctors wont see it like that. you know him, how he is..all that but doctors will try to put him on meds....maybe even a psych evaluation and hold him for a few days. I myself went to the hospital for a similar thing...the doc put me on ativan, a mild mood relaxer/stabilizer, basically a chill pill but after taking it for a while since they wouldnt let me off it, i started getting seizures....medications from a lot of the doctors really dont mix with me, and ive had little success from other peole i know.

he may just be freaking out from the side effects still, might be afraid it will happen again...but if he knows what he's smoking, where it comes from..so on, he knows theres not gonna be anything funny in it...wed has side effects of paranoia also, so it may also be affecting his judgement on whther or not he wants to....but tell him to relax and not to trust other people and their weed..best solution

alot of the heavy drugs like heroin, crack/cocaine, pcp....have a lot of impairing side effects and judgement, alot of people that get addicted to it usually end up obsessing about making more money...for more drugs, weed isnt like that really...it doesnt have a heavy addiction, i dont really get cravings to go peel off sewer manhole covers for my next high for weed...lol but the paranoia can get to you sometimes.

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Originally Posted by crackersgrampa

Not sure if this is the proper forum so perhaps someone can direct me?
My grandson apperently smoked some weed about a month ago and it was he thinks laced with some crack not sure how long he smoked.
His moods go from the kid I used to know which I have only seen twice to this hyped person I dont reconize changing subjects constently and is parinoid about things and obsessed with making money. He says when he was normal he is trying to wein off himself and if it doesnt work is going into rehab. Problem is when hes hyped up he wants nothing to do with this idea.
What can I do to help?

Thanks
Rob

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If he thinks it was laced with something, you can thank the government for making it so difficult to get from a reputable distributor.

If he is smoking crack, that is a serious problem.

If his personality is completely changing, he could have triggered a genetic disposition to Bi-polar disorder.

Bipolar disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
some info on bi-polar disorder

If he is seriously trying to stop, you need to let him know that he has the power over his body and everything he does. (telling myself this helped me quit cigarettes)

Marijuana can be psychologically addictive if you have unhealthy habits and resort to smoking marijuana to escape life. Which I believe may lead to stronger, more dangerous drugs. This can be a serious problem that might need the attention of a medical professional.

my 2 cents. Best of luck

sounds to me like the kid is a normal teenager more than likely he just wants the money and fame that he sees on tv and and he think he can accomplish that by selling or he sees other dealers makn alot of money or his friends and he wants that to just keep an eye on his friends make sure hes hangen out with the right people and if he wants to smke weed and you dnt want him to tell him that. but hes gnna do what he wants to
i dnt think it was laced probably sme good ass weed like some one said or just had a bad high maybe i dont kno most likely wasnt laced ..ive smked weed for four years and the only time i ever thought any weed was laced was when we put sme hash oil and grounded hash in a blunt and i blacked out but it was from the build up of thc my doctor told me cause i had been blown that whole entire day

I agree, hes a young adult, things change, ideals change etc. If somethings wrong its most likely not the weed, laced or not, drug are just something to lay the blame on!

This sounds like leo propaganda BS and one post :thumbsup:.... but if it is true which i hope its not it sounds like your grandson is really smoking crack and not telling you the truth... weed should never do that to a person unless they have some kind of undiscovered mental illness...

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Originally Posted by crackersgrampa

Not sure if this is the proper forum so perhaps someone can direct me?
My grandson apperently smoked some weed about a month ago and it was he thinks laced with some crack not sure how long he smoked.
His moods go from the kid I used to know which I have only seen twice to this hyped person I dont reconize changing subjects constently and is parinoid about things and obsessed with making money. He says when he was normal he is trying to wein off himself and if it doesnt work is going into rehab. Problem is when hes hyped up he wants nothing to do with this idea.
What can I do to help?


Thanks
Rob

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doesn't sound like marijuana to me...sounds like dope..I'd tell my family it was marijuana too..

DETOX!

lol dunno, everyone pretty much said it..

he's a teen and will gor less dumb with time
could be he needs psychiatric help
he's white and likes 50 cent (lol)
he's on crack and needs detox and support from his family when he gets out (or obviously other stimulant type drugs that could be causing the behavior and require same treatment)

One of the above will prolly do ya good, just hope it isn't the 50 cent one, only cure for that is to bring em out back and shoot them =/
;)

gl

Kinda curious.... How many people on the board have even come across laced product. In all my years Ive only ever seen it once and that was in mexico. Strange experience but I was fine and wasnt hooked on PCP and didnt want to do more. It seems to me that it would be hard to come by laced buds without you knowing it. wouldnt someone change more? My GF's brother pulled this same move, really he was just doing meth.

Young kids starting to smoke find out that pot actually isn't as bad as people have told them. Society labels it a drug right? So, what do you expect them to do? I think they would see what other "drugs" aren't as bad as everyone says. I.E., Coke, Ecstasy, Meth, probably not heroin at this point. They shouldn't label weed a drug, it just gives people the wrong idea about drugs. Plus once your tolerance goes up we can no longer afford to get the kind of buzz we desire and sustain it. So some people end up resorting to other methods, and end up getting hooked on others. Some paranoia comes with beginner smokers, but doesn't take long to subside. This is his hint to you that something is going on. Most likely not laced, i might have stumbled across that once in three years of smoking. Even there they told us it was laced, but after smoking it none of us thought it was and had no desire to make loads of money or get extra paranoid.

he is probably just dealing and getting high all the time, rehab will only make him worse.

Hey crackersgrampa, I see you are also from Ontario. I'm in Toronto, so if your son lives around here, he and I can toke up one day, and I'll find out if his weed is laced, or if he's just hanging around the wrong kind of crowd.

[edit] wait a second, have you ever actually seen him smoke, smelled pot smoke, or found any smoking devices that smelled like pot? If not, maybe he's just using the weed thing as a lie with a ring of truth.

It's a pretty clever trick some kids learn in their late teens; they will confess to something slightly less incriminating, to both quell your suspicion of them, as well as answer some of your questions about them. IE: A person accused of stealing $400 might fess up to taking only $20, to explain why they got so nervous when asked the question.

Maybe you asked your son if he was doing drugs, and he admitted to doing weed, because he thought it would explain his changed behaviour while hoping you would leave him alone, because it is only pot. Maybe it isn't only pot.

The whole story he told you sounds like BS too me. An excuse. Even the laced story sounds like BS. If he wants to quit he will quit. If he cant quit but really wants too he will put him self in to rehab, him self. I think hes just giving you lip service, too keep you off his back.
Wheres this dealer sell'en weed with crack in it, sell'en it for the same price as weed, so peeps don't know he laced it. Sounds like a hell of a deal, and it will only keep working if he keeps putting the crack in the weed, at a $loss$ of course.

Crack or whatever he said it was laced with is more expensive than the weed, so I think it is a crock he is trying to pass off.

If he is doing meth or crack, of course he is obsessed with making more money, to get more crack or meth. It is a viscous circle. He needs counsilling. I too am Canadian and there are many places you can call for advise annonimously. Clark institute, Narcanon, just look under drug counciling in your area. Narcanon could also point you in the right direction. You also will not know the truth of the situation unless you have him drug tested. if you are seriously that concerned, don't wait, as a meth addiction or crack addiction only grows stronger and more overpowering over time. Pot does not affect people that way at all. And also, there is no addictive need for weed other than phsycologically. I have not ever heard of this from just pot. and never months later. It would be out of his system by now if it was the drugs and he did not do more.

It is perfectly possible as well, that something triggered this behavior other than the drugs. It could be, as others said, a newly appearing pshycosis. The only way you will know is if you have him drug tested and you can purchase discrete kits on line, which work on hair samples. In case he refuses to permit this. If he does, then it says he is still doing drugs. And it is not just something from a couple of months ago.

Hope he is alright. I know, I have a son too, and he is not doing well at all.

Good luck

Life,
j-angel
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Gosh, jangle. I hate to be the one to tell you this but cocaine and methampehtamine are only psychologically addicting too.

You might want to do your homework before you climb atop your soapbox next time.

Thanks.

Vigiuwhatever from Holland. Your first post may be your last. Dude, you know you can't sell Hash here.......Peace.

His moods go from the kid I used to know which I have only seen twice to this hyped person I dont reconize. = sounds like he is " growing up". people do change...

changing subjects constently = high

and is parinoid about things = not rare at all!

and obsessed with making money = maybe just maybe he wants to buy more weed?

He says when he was normal he is trying to wein off himself and if it doesnt work is going into rehab. = maybe he gets a little too weed happy?

Problem is when hes hyped up he wants nothing to do with this idea. = who wants to go to rehab for weed when they are high?

What can I do to help? = teach him moderation, or punch him in the face every time he smokes, maybe he wont want to smoke anymore from the punching. Good luck!

Honestly, it doesnt sound like your grandson knows what crack is.:thumbsup: he does smoke that wacky tobaccy tho :rastasmoke: enjoy!

I'm fairly sure I've seen this post before somewhere.
Honestly what Grandpa calls himself crackersgrampa

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Originally Posted by leadmagnet

Gosh, jangle. I hate to be the one to tell you this but cocaine and methampehtamine are only psychologically addicting too.

You might want to do your homework before you climb atop your soapbox next time.

Thanks.

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Please post a link to this new discovery that coke and meth are not addictive substances. I'll climb down from my soapbox too, anything for a propper education. If this is indeed fact than myself and every person I know has been grosely mis-informed.

No one laces weed with crack...

That doesn't even sound like side effects of smoking crack.

He's right, they are psychologically addicting; they're just a lot more psychologically addicting than pot because they are much more euphoric. There isn't much physical withdrawal from either, unlike, say, alcohol or heroin, which are physically addictive also. This is accepted medical knowledge; just do a little research.

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He's right, they are psychologically addicting; they're just a lot more psychologically addicting than pot because they are much more euphoric. There isn't much physical withdrawal from either, unlike, say, alcohol or heroin, which are physically addictive also. This is accepted medical knowledge; just do a little research.

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Are you people fucking kidding me!! ONLY PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTING!!! DO A LITTLE RESEARCH!!! ISN'T MUCH PHYSICAL WITHDRAWL SYMPTOMS! Ok, in 5 sec search I discovered the same info we all learned in grade school, at least some of us.Cocaine dependence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There is a slew of references listed at bottom of each page not to mention related links. Also, not one piece of info on this subject was based on oppinion, all scources were from Medical journals and research studies. Now if somehow I am completely incorrect, then one of you people disputing this please LIST A LINK!!

32 years ago man and boy I was 18. A buddy laced a swag joint with PCP. Let me tell you that stuff made my head feel like a pumpkin for hours. Never did that again. I had a short time with coke never had crack.

From what you describe, either it's some tippy ass weed or coke or amphedamines. Sorry for my spelling it's the drugs.

Anyway he is a teenager and has completely lost his brains. Slap him in his head and put a live time GPS traker on him. You need to know, where , when and how. I just ordered a passive Gps tracker for my 20 something year old nephew that wants to be Jay and his buddy silent Bob. Will not get a job just wants to hang out. Some phone services offer Gps tracking too. Oh check with phone company for text message log. It will tell you who and what they talk about.

Passive Gps is going into my mothers car he drives and boy what a surprise he is going to get when we show him he has been tracked for a week. Passive unit you leave in the car and take it out plug into computer and it tell all, even the speeds you were driving.

Live GPS you can trake on computer in real time. Fleets like ups use them. Live tracker can save your life too by alerts of accidents.

He just needs guidance and a good roll model. Plenty of time to get high once you got your life in order.

Big brother is here to stay might as well use it to save a young kid from going bad.


Just a side note, a few ladies want to know if hubby is cheating. We will find out soon. Big Brother don't lie.

I just have to chime in, Weed cannot be laced with cocaine!!!!! That is why crack is made so you can smoke cocaine. If you put coke in a joint or a bowl the heat would make the cocaine evaporate before you could even inhale it. I'm not trying to sound like a know it all but at 29 years old I have done pretty much every drug you can think of. I'm not proud of this but that's life. If your grandson smoked weed laced with something chances are he knew, hard drugs are really expensive and as a former addict I can tell you I never got drugs for free or gave them away. Meaning, if you didn't have cash to throw in you weren't getting high. My guess is that your grandson is lying to you. He's probably been using hard drugs for awhile. After 3 years of abusing cocaine I was finally so fucked up that I decided to quit. Its not fun anymore when you just stare out your front window waiting for the cops to come(paranoia). Unfortunately I suffer from many side effects from my previous drug use and I hope you can help your grandson so he doesn't go down that path. I was lucky enough to have the help of my family when dealing with my addictions and it seems your grandson does too.

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Big brother is here to stay might as well use it to save a young kid from going bad.

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What better way to straighten your children out than to let them know you don't trust them any further than you can see them..

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Please post a link to this new discovery that coke and meth are not addictive substances. I'll climb down from my soapbox too, anything for a propper education. If this is indeed fact than myself and every person I know has been grosely mis-informed.

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I'm sorry for my late response but I just noticed my ban had been lifted.

I'm somewhat puzzled by your response. Nowhere have I stated nor have I implied that cocaine or methamphetamines do not have addictive potential. Please pay closer attention to what is actually written.

We were discussing physiological vs. psychological addiction. While it is generally understood by experts in the field that both components may exist it is also recognized there is a stronger potential for physical withdraw symptoms from cessation of use for the users of certain drugs more than other drugs.

A good example would be opiates and alcohol cessation compared to cocaine and methamphetamines cessation as it relates to the withdraw symptoms experienced by the addicted user.

If you're interested in the topic you might want to read a little from Dr. Stanton Peele. He's one of my favorites...

About Stanton Peele

Lead

Ya'll this dude posted once on Nov 2 08. He obviously is not coming back here to check on advice given to handling his grandson.

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Originally Posted by leadmagnet

Gosh, jangle. I hate to be the one to tell you this but cocaine and methampehtamine are only psychologically addicting too.

You might want to do your homework before you climb atop your soapbox next time.

Thanks.

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Ok, dude...what part of this statement am I confusing? The part where you say that they both are "ONLY PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTING TOO" or the part where you say " NOWHERE HAVE I STATED OR IMPLIED THAT COKE OR METH DO NOT HAVE ADDICTIVE POTENTIAL"??? I have tried to "pay closer attention to what is written" and I'm pretty sure that your statements are clearly contradictory. Your back step to "addictive potential" does not fit either since the "FACTS" have long since been established that they are both psysiological and psychologically addictive, more so the longer you use them, as Jangle CORRECTLY stated. We are all well aware that some drugs have a stronger pull than others, that still doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. I also need to state that we should not even be talking about this shit, I just had to respond to this....sorry mods, especially FBR since we already spoke of this rule before.