always been a looker til now 72sqft any suggestions

never really a reason to post BUT ,,,we have just purchased a home with a hidden rm that is roughly 72 sq ft with 7.5ft ceilings ,been an outdoor grower for yrs but now I have the indoor space I have always wanted/needed but what is the best way to maximize the room and get the most out of it ,I am a dirt grower as opposed to hydro (just always done it outside ) anyone have any pics or anything I am more of a visual learner as opposed to reading. its probably the weed and the ADHD

would like to do some blueberry and my lady is still looking for what she wants LOL

Im thinking 2 400 watt MH and 2 of the same HPS
thanks wanna get this started asap

Well, I think I'd start by putting in a cabinet perhaps 2 or 3 ft deep along one wall, with shelves and doors. That would become my vegging area, and if there's room left, storage of supplies. The wall I'd pick would depend on where I would get fresh air and where I would exhaust. You don't need really need the MH's, and so I would use florescent lights for vegging. The rest of the room would be flowering. You need more space for flowering than you do for vegging, because the plants get bigger as the mature. depending on the room, I would prolly get 2 600W HPS for flowering. It would be nice if you had running water there and a way to pump water/nutes out to waste. You must also make sure you have an abundant source of fresh air, as well as a good way to clean and exhaust the used air.

good luck!

I can do all of those things you say for sure I have 3- 6inch ceramic holes its an old sistern thats perfectly sealed for holding water ,Its a huge room 9x8(maybe bigger) ft with 7+ft ceilings I wanna get as much outta this space as possible I really dont wanna use a hydro setup would like a half lb or more every 2/3 months or less

oh and not to worried about my exhaust scent

get urself 2 homeboxs http://www.plantahydro.com/catalog/i...o20homebox.jpg

one for veg and one for flowering... get ur self 1 400W MH lamp and 1 600 HPS lamp... if u go to the right place they have combo deals... also for the flower tent. get urself a nice canfan and carbon filter like in the picture, ur going to need it to keep the HPS cool. this will run u a quick 1200. you can always go half that and get one tent, one 600w hps lamp.. a fan and filter

This place gives u a good deals(packages), but u might want to go and pick it up, im pretty sure things get expensive when they get heavy. the ballast is atleast 40lbs, the lamp is another 10-20lbs. the tent is like 30-40lbs, and they charge per lb/mile or some chit like that.

i actually saw one website that has an entire package of all the shit u need from ph tester, to food, tent, lights, fans, for a decent price... maybe someone else can help me remember where that was.

I was thinking I should be able to keep the cost of setting the whole room up for 1000 ,and probably still have spent to much
the rooms measuments are exactly 7x10 I dont need a tent ,I will build a cabinet for the veggies and give the rest of the space to budding ,I seen a setup on youtube he had 27 plants of k2 anyways his room is about half the size of what I wanna set up I will look for the link and post it (if I can find it again)
but need to keeep it as cheap as possible and get the most out of that room

IF I may.....
I suggest a living wall that would maximize your grow spave big time. For about 150 you could have 30 to 50 plants and only take up 3' of horizontal space. Place lights vertical to the growing plane rather then horizontal as with most grows. If you r interested I will explain my plans for you to try in as much detail as possible

I would be very interested in what you have to say can we do it through PM's or you just gonna post it up here ,,,thanks

I as well would be interested in hearing about this method.

heres the link i was talking about earlier but man that air setup seems pricey

forgot the link
YouTube - HOW TO GROW CANNABIS PART II

this guys good to but claims only a qp every 2 months

YouTube - how to grow cannabis mr green #1

Get yourself two light movers on rails...use 2 - 1000 watt hortilux HPS bulbs for flowering and use high quality 1000 MH bulbs for vegging with digital ballasts which are all instantly switchable from HPS/MH, run very cool, and are more energy efficient than the old magnetic ballasts. Run the lights on the opposite sides of the room from each other so there is always coverage of light on the entire garden, get the best reflector you can afford also to maximize your light output...you can flower the whole room this way with excellent light levels and yield 3-4 pounds pounds per cycle..maybe much more with big plants. You could also do three 600 HPS not on movers which would be more efficient total light output wise and provide even better coverage but would have a higher initial startup cost. This would be one way to "maximize the room" Big plants in 5 gallon buckets will do it in this case.

and just have the cabinet for the clones seperate in the corner ,can I sustain a mother plant on florescent tube lights like 6 or 8 of em

and as far as quantity your talking every 2/3months can I get those kind of results with the blueberry I mentioned I wanna to try and grow (but man those seeds are steep)

wanna grow something that when my buddies say homegrown ,I can say shut the fuck up

have'em so hi they cant stand

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heres the link i was talking about earlier but man that air setup seems pricey

forgot the link
YouTube - HOW TO GROW CANNABIS PART II

this guys good to but claims only a qp every 2 months

YouTube - how to grow cannabis mr green #1

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Yeah but he only does 4 SOG (sea of green) plants, you could easily get 16 under that light with a little less per plant but overall way more... 8-10 oz's

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Originally Posted by intruder

heres the link i was talking about earlier but man that air setup seems pricey

forgot the link
YouTube - HOW TO GROW CANNABIS PART II

this guys good to but claims only a qp every 2 months

YouTube - how to grow cannabis mr green #1

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Yeah but he only does 4 SOG (sea of green) plants, you could easily get 16 under that light with a little less per plant but overall way more... 8-10 oz's

Well...you have to start from seed first unless you already have clones so I am assuming you will have approx a 50/50 male & female ratio to begin with, so the first cycle you are going to want to isolate the best mothers and get rid of those males (unless you want to make more seeds)..the best way to do this is to veg the seeds to maturity and find the males & females...some strains indicate well before flowering at like 4 or 5 weeks of growth under HPS lights like Sweet Tooth from Spice of Life seeds which indicates sex under constant 24 hours of light and is very high yielding and a blueberry cross x sweet pink grapefruit (NL#1) cross. Some strains do not and you will have to wait until flowering starts before you know what is what and this can cause hermies sometimes on the clones if you take them from a flowering plant and then try to switch them back into veg under constant light, but some strains are not bothered by this at all..it just depends.

So when you do figure out which ones are females take a few clones of each female plant and try to look for the ones that have the most branches & potential bud sites and have the darkest green & most healthy compact squat plant structure. Look for things like thick stems and the most desirable smell also. Try to take clones from at least 5 different females minimum for a total of say 20 - 25 clones or so which will become small potential mothers while the other plants they were taken from are flowering. Grow these under a small MH light or under a few CFL's or even a bank of good full spectrum flouro's...plants don't need a ton of light to veg from clone and you want to give them low levels of light while growing roots because young clones are very tender. You also don't want them to get too big while you are waiting for the first plants to be done.

So when the first cycle of seed grown plants are half-way or further through flowering you will probably be able to start to determine the best female plants based on the results you are seeing in that first crop. Now of course you have your clones and originals marked so you know what is what as far as matching back clones to the plants they were taken from. You are basically looking to isolate the best mothers so you can continue to grow them out and use them for a steady supply of clones.

When the first crop is done you can use the plants that were not the most desireable for a second crop since you know they are all females and you won't be keeping them all as mothers. Grow out & flower these for a second batch and from then on you should be able to cut and grow clones from those select mother plants for future cycles.

This is of course assuming you are not acting in conflict with the law and live somewhere that growing MJ is perfectly legal, otherwise disregard this advice! :)

For blueberry strains I was looking at Legends Seeds under the "DJ Short" section and found these...for the blueberry lover in you!

Sweet Blue
(with Spice of Life)
PRICE: $80 Cdn
$70 US

A Joint Project with Spice of Life, DJ Short provided the Blueberry pollen to Spice of Lifes f1. The f1 came from the first extremely popular Spice of Life Seeds release from 1994, a Sweet Skunk. The f1 selections from those seeds netted two very sativa specimens. They truly stood out from the rest of the pack; almost hazy but with a different sweetness. One of those sativa expressions was shared, it was pick #10. Eleven years later it is still grown widely as a choice strain for the connoisseur. Now crossed with DJ Shorts Blueberry they hope you will find some unique deliciousness within. Enjoy

Grow Location: Indoor / Outdoor
Flowering: 8 weeks / mid October
Yield: Above Average

Sweet Tooth 1.1
Click Here For Photo
(with Spice of Life)
PRICE: $80 Cdn
$70 US

A decade of Sweet Tooth. For the tenth anniversary edition Spice of life along with DJ Short have prepared a very special release. The 1.1 the new original. They have taken the same classic Sweet Pink Grapefruit and hit her with DJ Shorts Blueberry pollen, in the last Blueberry family production round. This Joint Project release contains 50%SPG/50% Blueberry just like the original f1. This f1 will provide the grower with fruity, colourful buds, and an extremely pleasant buzz.

Grow Location: Indoor
Flowering: 8 weeks
Yield: Above Average


Mountain Jam (Soulshine X Blueberry)
(with Cannabis Cowboy)
Click Here For Photo
PRICE: $80 Cdn
$70 US

We are very proud to offer you the initial release in the joint projects between Chimera Seeds and DJ Short. The Mountain Jam is a hybrid of the Soulshine and DJ's prized blueberry, blending two colourful and sweet flavored elites for an oustanding performer. The SoulShine has become our flagship sensimilla flower for overall odor, taste, beauty, ease of growth, quality of high and of course yield. It has a multi-angled branching pattern that seems to balance the arms so that the massive tops and tips can almost support their plumpness without assistance. Once turned to a flowering cycle, these beauties will double in size and the arm tops will be ready for a colorful harvest at 53-58 days. With proper techniques, two more harvests 3-5 days apart and you will be amazed at how much ripening will happen on the middles and bottoms, turning the calyxes into little purple candy canes. Pollinated with DJ Shorts selected Blueberry male, should bring a reminiscent smell of grapefruits, overripe mango and wild blueberries when they are ready for harvest.

Flowering: 7 - 9 weeks
Yield: Average


(Again, please do not act in the conflict of any laws where you live.)

Good luck!

but when they say above average yeild whats avg,,I grow outdoor and get a lb a plant so to me thats avg ,but I know that wont be the case indoor
in all honestly if I can pull 2 lbs every 2/3 months I would be very happy and kinda what I wanna go towards trying to acheive

I am still looking for the 2 strains I wanna attemt blueberry is just a personal fav so I figure that and ?I am gonna have more questions in the morning
thanks again for any input I have already gotton ,,,,the hamster wheels are turning and burnin

When you pick your seeds, I think its a good idea of not only picking QUALITY, but also look at how long they take in flowering. If you pick one that finishes in 7 weeks rather than in 9 weeks, the you not oly have a cost of savings of 22% in electricity, but you basically can get 2 more crops in per year. You'll have to figure what that's worth.

I know you get most /all of your resin/heartyness usually in the last 2 weeks so I would rather grow them for the full 9 and try to get the most off everyone of them ,rather than have premature good ,would rather have right on time and GREAT

but from what I have read and seen it takes roughly 5 months before you see any smokable bud and to be able to produce clones to keep the flip alive

how much of what will I need to be able to produce 2lbs every 2 or 3 months

and whats a good strain to do wth the blueberry

PLS remember I am an outdoor grower and understand the plants ,Im an indoor greenie but outdoor I produce giants

Your room is 10 foot long and 7.5 foot high you should get about 35-40 plants and only use 3 to 3.5 foot you can build one on the oposing wall and put your lamps in the center of the room.

you would start with getting 3" or 4 " pvc pipe and snaking it up the wall like pic one shows. The red marks is where the plants are placed in pipes in rockwool.
the green square is the water inlet and the blue square is your water reserviour. and you would run your pump up to the top and let gravity pull your nutes and water down to the water again.
Sorts of like a drip system on steroids.
The yellow streaks are your 4'florescent lights standing up.
Or you can do opposing walls and hang your lights in the middle. and place 2 box fans in opposing ends as well.
maybe total cost 300 us.
plus a good pump that will push water up to the top of the whole thing maybe 5' . you could get easy 35-40 plants. and with 3 or 4" pvc you shouldnt totally clog the pipe unles you have one hell of a root ball.
in the second pic I am using only 1 1/2 unch pvc and its working great. But will clog when they are bigger so i need to build a bigger living wall.
Any questions ask.
I didnt know we had a PM on here.

I see what you mean about it being gravity fed to the bottom but putting the lights on the side and not on top wont the grow sideways or do you run more lights or just angle those lights so 1 end is high and 1 is lower ,,

I thought you used the florescents on them early and switched to HPS for budding I didnt think those lights would be strong enough for them the whole time

oh and I wasnt aware either on the PM's but wasnt sure how you wanted to let me know / share

I dont own a HPS or MH all I have for now is Florescent and CFL.
Yes you could run more lights. A plants natural instinct will be to streatch toward the light. So this would make the plant grow sideways NOT UP.
in therie this would give you a hanging garden effect as well as every branch that came out the side would in therie be a top.
MUCHO GRANDE' NUGGS!
But this all has yet to be tested.
I will have mine built after the new year. I need to take clones first.
Also if your limited in space see my thread called Micro Ebb and FLOW.