Procyon 100 Grow Log Step By Step By Need ALL INPUT!1st L.E.D Grow!

Hi I just Bought a Procyon 100 using it in a 2x2x4'7 Secret Jardin Enclosdure With the Procyon 100. oct 25th seeds sprouted had the light 12 inches from top of plants.Leaves started to turn up a little moved the light to 13 1/2 inches You think that will help?When should I start mt light cycle Please Help Heres some Pics!

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:

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Agreed! I go from 1 gals : 2 gals : 5 gals! lots of work but worth it!

How did you post pics w/o 50 posts?

Start in red/blue solo cups...then 1-2 gals..then 5 gal to finish with soil ;)

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:

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Thanks Sns will move light up a little bit to 16" for another week They have been on 24/0 until yesterday started a 18/6 for my veggie stage.Cool will add a incadesent at flowering just a regular bulb?One day L.e.d. will take over!lol

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

sorry, are those trash cans?you can start in big pots but youll get better growth and less soil issues if you transplant (smaller to larger as they gow) on a reg schedule. problem is you have alot of soil in that can with no roots in them to pull out moisture, soil needs to dry out so roots can breath and stop bugs and other issues,

db:smokin:

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Yeah they Trash cans about 6"x9"inch by 10" tall about 1 gallon or less I got them from work there for infeciuos needles (They Were new)I drilled out the bottoms and a couple holes about 5"inches up on the can.I think It should be ok What ya Think?

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Originally Posted by theforthdrive

Agreed! I go from 1 gals : 2 gals : 5 gals! lots of work but worth it!

How did you post pics w/o 50 posts?

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Cool Will do These are about 1 gallon or so not sure how I posted Pics just started a thread and said add or manage attachments and added Thanks Will keep you posted and freeda Thanks for the input Pics to come

Lookin good nate! Snsstealth and I will keep poppin in on ya. Make sure its goin ok....
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Hit the Go Advanced button below the quote box to post pics w/out 50 post.. Worked for me.

How in the hell you get a avatar or pic on your profile uploaded a pic to my album but stuck from there

Moved cycle back to 24/0 until day 14 then i will change to 18/6 did this for even numbers easier to determine nov 7th will be 2 weeks.

Heres a couple updated pics day 9 of sprout Whatcha think?They lookin good one has purple leaves starting one lime green :-)

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Originally Posted by N8palm420

Heres a couple updated pics day 9 of sprout Whatcha think?They lookin good one has purple leaves starting one lime green :-)

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Aloha, Nate:)

In a word?

Nifty!

Regards,
Weezard

Thanx weezard Appreciated

I am adding a floro to the mix to change it up Let me know what you think its a 6500k

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Originally Posted by N8palm420

I am adding a floro to the mix to change it up Let me know what you think its a 6500k

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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

good idea, is that floro open all the way around? If so you could hang it low between the plants when they get a bit sturdier. that should be plenty of light for now.

if funds are available($20 maybe and a timer), when going to flower add 2 100w or 60w incandescents and 2 60w incandescent "blacklight party bulbs", 2 for 6 bucks at wally world i think. the 2 white bulbs would run all day and the blacklights run for a half hour after dark, a 12/:30/11:30 schedule.

I know it sounds a bit much, but ive seen or done testing with both methods directly involving the procyon and the results were better with each method separately. its got to do with far red energy the plants need to ...ummm....be ready for the next day's light( really technical debate in another forum with symbols and formulas, trust me, its not worth the looooong explanation). and switch the floro to 2700k if you keep it. that would be ideal for your two plants. IMO

db:smokin:

Cool SNS U the MAN Thanks for the info the floro is only open 1/2 way around and just got my Jamaican Bat Guano today will be adding it on my next watering

Babys are doing good added another floro to the mix 2 Total 1 for the underneath and one vertical.Now a 6500k and a 4200k I believe.one is 2" one is 1.5" let me know what ya Think heres a couple pics:)

thank you for making the sacrafice to buy the proycon. i was looking into it heavy but was discuraged by all the negetive blogs, thanks

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Originally Posted by ryan3009

thank you for making the sacrafice to buy the proycon. i was looking into it heavy but was discuraged by all the negetive blogs, thanks

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LOL...negative procyon blogs? take a look in my or Snsstealths (heh) signature. Those are all procyon logs. I have not seen a single negative procyon log. Show them to me. I wanna see.
Keep at it N8...shits lookin good. Careful on feeding, low heat/low transpiration means plants uptake slower. Be gentle at first. Skim through our logs if ya got time, you can see the errors we made, so you dont have to!
happy growing
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyTango

LOL...negative procyon blogs? take a look in my or Snsstealths (heh) signature. Those are all procyon logs. I have not seen a single negative procyon log. Show them to me. I wanna see.
Keep at it N8...shits lookin good. Careful on feeding, low heat/low transpiration means plants uptake slower. Be gentle at first. Skim through our logs if ya got time, you can see the errors we made, so you dont have to!
happy growing
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Cool Just Feed yesterday for first time will chill for awhile then see what happens yeah i been looking at ALL the threads dam been reading for days.I appreciate all the advice Keep checkin in on me ill keep ya posted:jointsmile:

Heres a update on my babys Looking ok I believe one has little droopy leaves but I thunk thats ok Whatcha Think my friends?

Heres a couple pics of my dads grow in seattle let me Know what you think!

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

high nate,

congrats on starting a grow.:thumbsup:

I'd suggest: light 16" for two weeks. its a bit intense for seedlings but after that drop back down to 10" or so.

9 days in your light cycle is already started, leave it a 24/0 if thats what it is now.

only other LED specific issue is to add a incandescent or two during flowering. sorry, but that will help alot.

and lots of perilite and drain holes due to less transpiration.

db:smokin:

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Why an incandescent bulb?

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

Why an incandescent bulb?

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Helps with the right wavelengths for flowering im sure.

Im about to buy a 16" by 16" by 4 feet tall for seedlings and going to buy a glowpanel45 whatcha guys think?

forgot thinkin of lowryder 2 supposed to do a full cycle in 9 weeks

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Originally Posted by N8palm420

Helps with the right wavelengths for flowering im sure.

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how about a 'warm' CFL, the kind that has more red/orange

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

how about a 'warm' CFL, the kind that has more red/orange

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I just got a 2700 k 18" grow light from home depot with a 4200k same thing 18" floro

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

Why an incandescent bulb?

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Hey rev,

short answer: incandescents have alot of energy in the 700-800nm range. MJ needs 730nm light to convert parts of the plant(phytochromes) back to a 660nm acceptable state. its a cycle. a better plan would be to use the incan's all day, then run incandescent black light party bulbs for 20-30 min after lights out. these bulbs have only 700nm and up and a small bump at 400nm w/ the rest blocked out. we did some testing on this and saw some better results.

long answer: theres a raging debate going on in the perfect LED thread with talks of all red "martian" nights and all sorts of other ideas. many have great merit and require much testing.

lol guess the long and short are backwards....:upsidedow

db:smokin:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

Hey rev,

short answer: incandescents have alot of energy in the 700-800nm range. MJ needs 730nm light to convert parts of the plant(phytochromes) back to a 660nm acceptable state. its a cycle. a better plan would be to use the incan's all day, then run incandescent black light party bulbs for 20-30 min after lights out. these bulbs have only 700nm and up and a small bump at 400nm w/ the rest blocked out. we did some testing on this and saw some better results.

long answer: theres a raging debate going on in the perfect LED thread with talks of all red "martian" nights and all sorts of other ideas. many have great merit and require much testing.

lol guess the long and short are backwards....:upsidedow
db:smokin:

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so would a fluoro work? adding the incandescent seems like it would offset the Watt benefits of a Procyon

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Originally Posted by Revanche21

so would a fluoro work? adding the incandescent seems like it would offset the Watt benefits of a Procyon

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no, fluoros dont go that high as a rule, maybe hort. flouros. yeah I know it throws it out the window, but even with just the two 60w party bulbs for :30 min after will help alot and not add much at all to your usage.

weve been finding theres no simple answer but were still looking:thumbsup:

db:smokin:

Well Heres a little update I rearranged the setup better ideas coming so now I have the Procyon 17" from top of tallest plant One 4200k 18' floro and one 2700k Floro as vertical Lighting cycle is Procyon and fan 18/6 and the 2 floros 17 3/4on 6 1/4 off leaving the procyon on 15 minutes longer then the rest Just to chill the plants out before bed time Whatcha Think Heres some pics

looks good n8. but since you asked...lol, go get two 6500k bulbs for veg and youll be much happier come harvest time.:thumbsup:

once they get three sets of leaves you can prob. move flouros up to the edge of the pot.

db:smokin:

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

looks good n8. but since you asked...lol, go get two 6500k bulbs for veg and youll be much happier come harvest time.:thumbsup:

once they get three sets of leaves you can prob. move flouros up to the edge of the pot.

db:smokin:

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Sns U the man Should I just add or take one light out Thanks for the info!!!

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by ryan3009

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:

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Not sure this is my first grow with procyon buts theres a couple post by sns about his grow hes on my log check it out!

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Originally Posted by ryan3009

im new to forums, so i really dont see anything else led related, sorry. just had a question about yield for LED's, yields per watt, or for 100watts. is the proycon or LEDs truly 4times more efficient HID:jointsmile:

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for 100W, maybe an ounce...:( there are too many factors that could take that up or drastically down, but in general if yield is your goal then you may want to hold off for a year or so. there are many brilliant minds searching and testing right now.

db:smokin:

p.s. type procyon or leds in the search tab at top of page and youll get lots of led threads.

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Originally Posted by SnSstealth

for 100W, maybe an ounce...:( there are too many factors that could take that up or drastically down, but in general if yield is your goal then you may want to hold off for a year or so. there are many brilliant minds searching and testing right now.

db:smokin:

p.s. type procyon or leds in the search tab at top of page and youll get lots of led threads.

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Hey Sns Im going to move my procyon to 1 seed chamber for my seedlings and get a 250 watt hps and metal halide bulb with a lumatek digital ballast is that enough light? 2x2 so 4 sq feet at 250watts is 62.5 watts a sq ft should be good enough ?

Heres a couple updated pics just watered plants today