Drooping leaves, Yellow fans.

E-indoor or outdoor - Indoor
E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic - Soil
CSL-Soil type/brand - ProMix Bx, and Perlite - 2:1
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil - nope
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH - unknown
E-Water source - tap
E-Source water pH - unknown
E-Age of plant - Clipped a month ago, been in soil for 2-3 weeks
E-Type of fertilizer - none
E-Rate of application - na
E-Lighting source and distance from plant - 3 CFL's, 14 watts each, 5500k. 5-6 inches away
E-Air temperature - 65-75 F
E-Air % Relative humidity - Dont know. I live in teh northeast so its pretty dry this time of year
E-Lighting schedule - 24
E-Type of ventilation your room has - a 3.5" fan blowing out. Box volume is just over 1 cubic foot

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In the past week ive been noticing kind of poor performance from my plant. The leaves have always been sort of droopy, but I think theyre worse than usual. Lately the bigger fan leaves are turning yellow, and 1 or 2 of them have a little bit of tip burn. Other than that, the plant is ok. Tons of new growth every day, healthy looking stems, good color etc.. I wait til the soil is pretty much dry before I water, and at that point I water until i start to see runoff coming out. Thats approximately 2.5 days. And I empty my catch tray about 10 minutes after I water her, no stagnant water sitting around.

Worth mentioning - I havent tested the ph at all. I bought a house and moved in a couple months ago and I cant find my ph tester anywhere. I havent bought a new one yet because I know if I do the old one will turn up the next day. If it looks like a ph issue to you guys, i'll go out and buy another one immediatley.

Here is my grow: http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-3-leafer.html

img tags dont work here for some reason?

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Originally Posted by 420F4i

E-Source water pH - unknown

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If you mean you live in the north east of England your tap water should be around 7.1 to 7.4

Any Aquariums will sell ph testing kits both liquid and digital. It costs more but I'd recommend a digital one as you get a prescise reading. The colour liquid indicators are good but if you've added ferts to water or testing the runoff the water isn't always clear in color so the results can be decieving.

The pic looks like theres a N deficiency which would be sorted by a mild nuterient solution... however without knowing the ph I wouldn't add anything.

You're using promix which should contain enough nutrients to sustain the plant for a while. How old is the plant? If the ph is out, the nutrients might be in the soil but unavailable to the plant as they are locked out.

I'm guessing NEW England! :D
I see a couple issues:
Overwatering
Underfeeding

Time to re-pot into a larger pot with nice drain holes, and start your plant on a 1/4 strength complete Grow fert. If you're in the Northeast, you probably have a Liquid Sun location around you somewhere- they are the only East Coast Canna dealer and I am starting to feel like a Canna salesman lately since I am so completely in love with that stuff!

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW HOUSE!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Wobster

Any Aquariums will sell ph testing kits both liquid and digital. It costs more but I'd recommend a digital one as you get a prescise reading. The colour liquid indicators are good but if you've added ferts to water or testing the runoff the water isn't always clear in color so the results can be decieving.

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ok i'll try to get a digital one today

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Originally Posted by Wobster

The pic looks like theres a N deficiency which would be sorted by a mild nuterient solution... however without knowing the ph I wouldn't add anything.

You're using promix which should contain enough nutrients to sustain the plant for a while. How old is the plant? If the ph is out, the nutrients might be in the soil but unavailable to the plant as they are locked out.

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shes a few weeks old

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

I'm guessing NEW England! :D
I see a couple issues:
Overwatering
Underfeeding

Time to re-pot into a larger pot with nice drain holes, and start your plant on a 1/4 strength complete Grow fert. If you're in the Northeast, you probably have a Liquid Sun location around you somewhere- they are the only East Coast Canna dealer and I am starting to feel like a Canna salesman lately since I am so completely in love with that stuff!

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Pretty close, im about 20 miles away from new england.

Less water - ok, i figured i was drying her pretty well, but less is more.
Feeding - Ive never used any nutes before, im a little intimidated by them honestly lol. But its time to step it up, my last crop did come out kinda weak.
And tonight we'll move to a 6" pot.

I havent heard of liquid sun around here. I googled it but only found greasy looking people with spray on tans. No luck googling Canna either, just came up with stuff about lillys.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE NEW HOUSE!!!!!!

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THANKS!!!!

Go for liquid pH drops- a cheap pH meter is often a worse deal overall than a $7 bottle of drops, especially for a soil person.

Can you get your hands on some Pure Blend Pro then?

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Go for liquid pH drops- a cheap pH meter is often a worse deal overall than a $7 bottle of drops, especially for a soil person.

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i have a test kit for my pool that uses drops, would that work?

probably on the tap water, but the runoff water is brown.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Can you get your hands on some Pure Blend Pro then?

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i'll check today

Put the runoff water through a rinsed coffee filter or let it settle. Check the flushing sticky at top of 'problems' for info.

Pool DROPS are fine but the pH adjusting chemicals will kill your plants.

I went to a bunch of gardening shops today, none of them have heard of canna, or fox farms, or any of the other brands that are highly recommended on here. I think Im just gonna buy some of whatever they have, as long as its organic, and not MG. What numbers should I be aiming for? Mostly nitrogen?


Also not having much luck with my ph research. I used the pool drops to test my tap water. Looks to be 6.8-7 but i cant really tell because of the inaccuracy of this testing method. I tried filtering the runoff with a coffee filter, but it didnt make it any less brown. I also let the runoff water sit in a cup overnight, to see if it would "settle" It didnt, which means the color isnt due to particle suspension, and explains why filtering it didnt do anything.

Today at lunch I drove around to a few aquarium/fish stores in search of a digital ph meter. Only 1 of the places even had a digital one, and it was $110 plus tax. Maybe one day when I win the lottery, untill then its gonna have to be a 20-30 dollar model off ebay. As much as Id prefer to support a local merchant, im not gonna scarifice my kids christmas presents to do so.
How much should I be looking to pay for a digital one?

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=420F4i;1936830]I went to a bunch of gardening shops today, none of them have heard of canna, or fox farms, or any of the other brands that are highly recommended on here.

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Over here in the UK you can only get canna and most stuff for growing tha herb in hydro shops, the normal gardening stores do not sell it.

Hey f4i don't worry about that yellow color- you don't need to be DEAD ON PERFECT in dirt. Your runoff will look yellow if it's got lots of crud in it that you are going to actually want to flush out anyway. Did you read that flushing thread at the top of problems? It shows pics and everything!

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Hey f4i don't worry about that yellow color- you don't need to be DEAD ON PERFECT in dirt. Your runoff will look yellow if it's got lots of crud in it that you are going to actually want to flush out anyway. Did you read that flushing thread at the top of problems? It shows pics and everything!

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Ive been putting that off until watering time, and just did it now. I wanted to wait til it was bone dry, +12 hours or so. I digress.. the runoff was yellowish of course, but once i poured it into the little vile in the test kit, the yellow was barely noticeable. It looks to be in the high 6's coming out, so thats good. Im still getting a digi, but this'll do for now.

And now for some pics.. A couple of the leaves that have been yellow the longest are developing brown spots. I gotta look that up when i get home from work today, im already late.

Dood... you gotta transplant into a bigger cup. The plant is too big.
That is calcium deficiency. The soil is running out of lime! Transplant!
Looks like you would be best in about a 6-8" pot (around a half gallon size), full of FRESH soil, and then start feeding with a complete grow fert with micronutirents. Also if you have some calmag handy that would be helpful, but the fresh soil WILL provide lime.

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Dood... you gotta transplant into a bigger cup. The plant is too big.
That is calcium deficiency. The soil is running out of lime! Transplant!
Looks like you would be best in about a 6-8" pot (around a half gallon size), full of FRESH soil, and then start feeding with a complete grow fert with micronutirents. Also if you have some calmag handy that would be helpful, but the fresh soil WILL provide lime.

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I actually JUST transplanted an hour ago. First time ive had more than 3 minutes without my kids around. Still havent got a ph meter or any nutes yet :(

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Originally Posted by 420F4i

Still havent got a ph meter or any nutes yet :(

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Those items are a must have when growing.:)
And like Stinkyattic said cheap ones are not good.

Don't bother with the meter- you're in dirt- drops are FINE FINE FINE.
Spend the $$ on a really good fert. Heck, if you lived closer I'd come over there with some juice and be all, DOO IIIIT ROOKIE!!!! You need fertilizer! Or rather, your PLANTS need fertilizer. You probably need a cup of coffee and some bacon. Is there ANYTHING bacon can't fix? ;)

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Shes doing great in the bigger pot. It wasnt rootbound in the cup, so I guess it was more about that soil being used up. Since transplanting all the new growth is nice and green and not drooping. I picked up some Schultz 10-15-10, it was either that or miracle grow, so I went with the schultz. Watering time isnt for another day or 2 so I wont get to try it yet.

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Shes doing great in the bigger pot. It wasnt rootbound in the cup, so I guess it was more about that soil being used up. Since transplanting all the new growth is nice and green and not drooping. I picked up some Schultz 10-15-10, it was either that or miracle grow, so I went with the schultz. Watering time isnt for another day or 2 so I wont get to try it yet.

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Its good to hear it's all OK.:jointsmile:

Still havent watered. The weight feels close, but not quite light enough.

Took a clipping yesterday too.

It looks hella better.

I think its about time to move into the next box

Oh damn, that was a REALLY fast turnaround. Nice pics showing the same plant progressively improving!