The world seems to prefer one candidate.
If the world could vote?
It looks like McCain has some friends in Macedonia and Venezuela. LOL :rastasmoke:
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The world seems to prefer one candidate.
If the world could vote?
It looks like McCain has some friends in Macedonia and Venezuela. LOL :rastasmoke:
it shows over 80% of americans voting for barack obama
that can't be right!
I think McCain should run for office in Macedonia. They seem to like him there.:smokin:
You forgot about Albania!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chong Version 2.0
It's an active poll, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
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Originally Posted by JakeMartinez
Looks pretty fucking active to me mate!
I have seen some gaps between polls but that is laughable.
You know what I think,
I read the title,
"If the world could vote..."
I thought,
"Well fuck them they can't vote."
:D:thumbsup::D:jointsmile:
And that's all I got.
LOL if the poll for the USA is off that much I doubt the other countries are correct either. Next time post a accurate poll please....
the poll isn't accurate, but obama is a lot more popular outside the usa than he is inside the usa...that much is true
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Originally Posted by maladroit
THis is true, of course.
NOw let me lay this out.
I wonder how many posts, literally have been made just here at c dot about how "The rest of the world HATES America".
Probably more than can be counted, this has been a dogma from the left forever and ever.
Hmmmm....
So let's see, the world HATES America, they BLAME America first, they want to see America FAIL, and whom now does the world favor as the next leader of the nation that they so despise and have for so long as been taught to us by the left....................
And then my next question is, "why do you think the world does support Obama soo much?"
Golly? I wonder? Apparently the world disagrees with the left in the USA on the fact that Obama and his policies would do more harm to America than good, they support him because he serves their intrests which is to undermine the core fundamental values of this nation.
Wake up people.
That or they see him as someone that will end Americas tirade on the the planet. Someone that will bring good instead of bad. Someone that well, I think you see where I'm going with this.
It works both ways, it's not like we can just say what they think. We are not them after all.
This is one thing I've always wondered. How does the rest of the world view our election and why? It would be nice if we could get input from people from all around the world like that, not just speculate as to why they support one candidate over the other.
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Originally Posted by JaySin
You're absolutely right, it could go either way as far as why the support for him internationally. (IMO, I'm right and you're not though!:D:D)
This is one of those questions I don't believe we will truly ever know the answer to, but it is a good conversation to have. You could easily make an argument for either side.:jointsmile:
Hi All !!!! :thumbsup:
Great Post !!!
Looks Accurate to me :D
3 more days and we will know.
:hippy:
I can say that foreigners, at least my fellow Europeans, do not hate America. Instead, they hate Bush, and the war in Iraq, and the major American Corporations that invade their towns with McDonald's restaurants.
I have watched some documentaries here in Finland that are about the U.S., but could never be shown in the U.S., because the lawyers of the big corps would bankrupt anyone who tried to by taking them to court.
I've never been to Finland, but I've seen some very bad misleading information about the U.S. in other European cities, including Amsterdam.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopsfinn
As far as the documentaries that you mentioned, there must be clips of some kind available on youtube or elsewhere. They would be interesting to view.
I understand the disgust with McDonalds, but if people in the towns where they are didn't patronize this business, they'd be forced to close. This is what happened to many Starbucks franchises in Australia, and elsewhere.
"I wonder how many posts, literally have been made just here at c dot about how "The rest of the world HATES America". "
- can you show me some of those posts from the dogmatic left here that the world HATES america and they want to see america FAIL? i did a search and couldn't find a single one
I would be glad to, as long as you have been a member I find it hard to believe that you don't recall them?
Try copy and paste this to your google search.
I didn't go through the 300+ hits, but I have personally read many many posts pertaining to what we are discussing.
world hate america site://boards.cannabis.com
Anyone, liberal or conservative, that has been posting or reading in the politics forum this last year surely could concede that in fact there are many many posts that speak about how the world hates America, as well as many many posts about how some Americans hate America.:D
i already spent a long time using the search function on this site looking for any posts containing 'hate' and 'america' and 'united states'...i went all the way back to december 2007 and you were one of the only members i found talking about hating america
perhaps you often perceive hatred where there is only criticism...i am certain there are people who really do hate america, but it isn't standard liberal dogma...after obama is president, some right wing ideologues will be whining about how obama and the democrats are ruining america...does that mean they hate america? of course not!
Ok?:wtf:
Well then don't look at the link I posted I guess?
I am not saying every result is one, but many many of them are. If you prefer I guess I could post every result, but the point is, they are there.
I don't use the search function on this site. Ever. For anything. The site specific google search is much much better. If you are ever searching for something specific here at this site anyway.
Other intresting related searches you could look at that are related.
fuck america site://boards.cannabis.com\
Again, over 300 results.
So yeah, there is plenty o America bashing.
you didn't post a link
when someone makes a claim, the burden of proof lies on them to prove it...if you don't want to step up then i guess there wasn't really much to step on in the first place
i went through the first page of google results for fuck america site://boards.cannabis.com\
besides being YEARS old, they were criticisms of the american government...there: i did your work for you
It is the belief of the majority outside of the US that McCain represents everything America has stood for thus far on the world stage: Warmongering, close-mindedness, religion before politics, elitism, etc, etc.
Obama, the first black person to make such an impact in US politics, as well as making such intriguing promises to the rest of the world for a brighter, better, less-asshole America, is naturally the obvious choice for those on the outside. Thankfully, we are unable to share the divisive, self-righteous mindframe of "patriotic" Americans that choose to think about themselves first and the wider world second and therefore would consider voting in someone that would vouch for Sarah Palin to take over if the worst should happen. Sarah Palin of all people, yet somehow she remains a strong role model for many Americans.
Though I don't think he's as useless as George Bush, McCain is simply more of the same. It's not a popularity contest, it's history being made. We can't rely on you guys to make the right decision.
My personal view is that it doesn't matter who wins. It'll only decide who takes the blame for the worlds woes for the next four years (recession, war, etc). The bigger issues of the world are out of the US governments hands. Recession is inevitable and the Iraq and Afghan wars ain't stopping any time soon. If Obama wins, bitter republicans will slate him for everything. If McCain wins, it'll be bitter liberals. At the very least, a win for Obama would symbolise an evolution in the American public to recognise a good leader. That's the least we can hope for.
But it won't happen.
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Oh! OK! Geez so sorry. Actually I DID just post 2 links, you need to cut and paste them, but if that is the only thing holding you back, then here you go I guess?
Click Me IF YOU DARE!!! DIRECT "CLICKABLE" LINK TO THE FIRST SEARCH RESULTS!!
THIS IS THE SECOND LINK TO RESULTS FROM THE SECOND SET OF SEARCH OF "FUCK AMERICA".
Sorry if that's time too time consuming or too much trouble for you. I don't have to go in and pick every one out that is an example of what I am talking about, they are there. I have read them. And the ones I have read have been with in the last year. Again, I believe I have proven my point, but if I have to, I will post individual threads for you and THEN maybe you will get what I am saying. Let me know if it's too much trouble to look through the google results.:D
That's fair-dos right there man, but don't be an extremist and disregard the entire wider world for the overblown statements of a few wet-blouses, and don't let it cloud your judgement either or your just as bad as those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
cool logic: lemme try it out
liberals hate america...it's true because i read it on the internet somewhere...go look it up if you don't believe me
what? you couldn't find it? too bad...i am not going to dig around google to prove it to you...someone said fuck america 3 years ago, therefore these forums are riddled with countless examples of liberal anti-american dogma
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Originally Posted by maladroit
Wow buddy!
Anyway, we were talking specifically about examples from this site of the "hate america/ world hates america dogma". That is exactly what I gave as examples.
You are the one that is trying to sidetrack the conversation at this point by trying to say that now we are talking about how I think that liberals hate america based on the posts on the forum. That's not what I was talking about, nor anyone else actually. You kind of just pulled that out of your ass.:thumbsup:
Again, what we were, or at least what I was talking about before you got all in a hussy was that there is and has been a very popular belief that has been perpetuated endlessly that the world "hates America". There are many examples just here on this forum.
Here is your last post again. You should read it aloud.
You asked a direct question about my post, I provided the info and now you don't want to accept it. YOU ASKED FOR IT! WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
I dunno what you want I guess. Just don't ever acknowledge the information I gave you I guess and then it's like it doesn't exist!:D
"You are the one that is trying to sidetrack the conversation at this point by trying to say that now we are talking about how I think that liberals hate america based on the posts on the forum. That's not what I was talking about, nor anyone else actually. You kind of just pulled that out of your ass."
- actually i pulled it directly out of your post in this thread where you wrote:
'I wonder how many posts, literally have been made just here at c dot about how "The rest of the world HATES America".
Probably more than can be counted, this has been a dogma from the left forever and ever.'
i disagree with your claims...i don't believe hating america is a liberal dogma, and i don't believe that liberals want america to fail, and i don't believe it's even a common sentiment on these forums...i went to your link, and read the posts, and they were criticisms of the US government that were years old, and at least two of them were made by americans
lemme ask you: do you love the american war on drugs? no? why do you hate america so much? it doesn't work like that
look at iran...you would think iranians totally hate america but they don't...they wear american clothes and eat american food and watch hours and hours of american tv/movies...iranians admire american democracy and american freedoms...but they don't like american government policies...it's like that in most of the rest of the world too...america is a great country with a not-so-great government:
USATODAY.com - 'America' no longer a dirty word in Iran
To be fair, I know tons of people that nurture the whole 'aah yeah, fuck America. America sucks, myaaah, myaaaah'.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Actually it takes all forms. You get the condescending abuse ("Americans just don't have a bloody clue do they?"), the not so middle man ("Some Americans are all right, but most of them are FUCKING DICKS!"), and then just the all out hatred ("Fuck America! I fucking hate ALL Americans!") <-- This is one is most found at parties and on the internet.
It's funny how people assume anti-Americanism is restricted to a particular mindset. "Oooh, its liberals trying to bring us down.", "It's jihadists!", "It's nihilists!" Mate, its fucking EVERYONE. Liberal is just a word you toss around. It doesn't take any kind of mindset to judge an asshole. It's a human condition.
Hope that makes both of you feel better :thumbsup: .
you could be a bi-partisan diplomat and sew america back together!
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Wow that's weird, me quoting you quoting me. Anyway, Show me where in that statement is says that liberals hate America.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
It doesn't say that. It says that liberals have put forth the notion that the rest of the world does hate us, and that's what they have been saying forever. So assuming that they are correct, then why would the rest of the world, that according to the left hates us, support 1 candidate over another? If they hate us, you could assume they do not have our best interests at heart.
So again I say that this: you promptly pulled out of your ass the moment that I responded to this.
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Originally Posted by maladroit
So yeah, as soon as I proved my point, you tried to take this converation down that road.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Somehow me answering your posts means that I think liberals hate america. OK fine then. I am satisfied with the points that I have made, and the responses to your posts. I really don't have any more to add, so there ya go I guess.:thumbsup:
Ha, that could be a negative or a positive judgement on my behalf :D . Either way it's true.
I think the more time you guys (ie. you politically divided Americans) argue about who's hating America, your losing ground on what you could be agreeing on or at the least, creating genuine debates out of real issues, silly men. If i'm talking about music or movies, I don't start with "but some people hate rock music/Bond movies". Who gives a fuck? Shouldn't you both be DEFENDING America instead? Don't you think people's judgements go beyond rudderless hate? Perhaps either one of your presidents could do well to curb this problem, don't you think? Who might that be?
I can't believe this is still an issue for you guys. Anti-American? Who the fuck invented the term anyway?
It'd be Obama
I personally don't buy into the "world hates america" crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Basher
It is a broad over generalization, that I just don't buy. Are there people that "hate" america, yes. Does it matter in the big scheme of things, no. Should who in the world likes/dislikes the USA matter, no.:jointsmile::thumbsup:
u know... thats exactly why 9.11 happened, just because of this kind of thinking... what does it take for Americans to understand world and its 7 billion people are not theirsQuote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
People wont just hate us for no reason u know? even al-qaeda doesnt hate us just because we are americans, they sadly do have a basic valid point, I think u should have listened to your party's only hope for presidency earlier: Ron Paul, i think he put it out in the best way possible
Why Ron Paul Is Right About Terrorism: A Letter to the GOP Base by David T. Beito and Scott Horton
u should read more history man, empires far greater and more powerful in relative scale of their time than America have come and reigned their power with the same way of thinking for many many years, and yet none remain in todays world
I refer u to the definition in my signature, that is exactly what u r doing and how u r thinking and i have no problem callin u out on it, with all due respect as a fellow stoner and activist.
one clarification: I dont think the rest of the world hates us, but certainly our actions have lead to a large majority of the world to question America or go further down the way of extremist emotions, "hating" us
i think however, a more considerable portion of the world's people have negative feelings toward us than they had say 15-20 years ago or even 50 years ago
OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
you are entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong.
Incorrect, that terrorist attack as well as others around the world have happened because of religious fanatics that do not believe anyone that does not share their world view should live. Plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
Is that Rush Limbaugh in your avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
islamic terrorists are not forcing their world view on us - we are forcing our world view on entire muslim countries, and terrorism is a response to our policies
November 29, 2004
'They hate our policies, not our freedom'
Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.
by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com
Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department confirmed the contents of a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The report had been originally placed on the DSB's website in early November.
'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'
The Pentagon confirmed the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions.
The Defense Science Board, reports Disinfopedia, is "a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense."
'The current Board is authorized to consist of thirty-two members plus seven ex officio members': the chairmen of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Policy, Ballistic Missile Defense Advisory Committee, and Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Committee. 'Members, whose appointed terms range from one to four years, are selected on the basis of their preeminence in the fields of science, technology and its application to military operations, research, engineering, manufacturing and acquisition process.'
man, the religious fanatics were living in peace with the rest of the world (trust me, I know islam aint got no new extremist rules or laws, everything is kinda from hundreds of years ago, all that jihad shit, its been out there since islam was out there) until just about after world war 2 when we created UN, took a piece of muslim/arab land and named it israel and sent jews from all over the world to and to this date we continue our unconditional support for this state, buying hatred of A LOT of other nations for itQuote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
just put yourself in an arab man's shoes and look at things that way to understand whats wrong and why they hate us
how come these religious fanatics were good for America when they were fighting Communists in afghanistan? how come we funded and supplied them then? do u think these people are idiots? did u not listen to the reasons that scumbag bin laden laid out as to why he attacked the towers in new york?
do u not know of our countries coup de tats all over the world? Do u not know of our support and actions in the coup that resulted in fall of the ONLY DEMOCRATIC government in iran in the last 100 years? yes that was due to oil despite what govt claims that IRANIANS wanted it... which iranian wants their new nationalized oil and the PM who achieved it to be overthrown? only the coward Shah of iran and his allies wanted that and they totally achieved it with our help... guess what, such actions led to the damn islamic revolution, and extremism expanded its roots on these actions leading to hostage crisis and shit just took off from there
sure, some of these religious fanatics may have an idea like the one u r describing these days, but remember that not all those who dislike us are religious fanatics, they are a tiny denounced group even by the mainstream muslims. and they have had hundreds of years if they wanted to convert everyone to their way (like christians dont do that, for god sake, we did that to native americans, and we kept slaves while trying to make them christians)
All im saying is this: Our past actions have totally boosted their cause if anything. they were a very very tiny group who have just seen their base expand cause more people are hurt by our arrogance and our carelessness thus choosing them over us... pretty stupid right, but what can u expect when no1 hears ur points or cares about them.
our best ally in the arab world: KSArabia is a total dictatorship, violating a bunch of human rights, even worse than what u hear about Iran, they are those wahhabis who gave rise to Bin laden and his gang, yet we still continue to support them and be cool with them
this is all about oil & $s, at any price, even blood of other nations and even americans
I can say with some certainty that if it were down to the Great Britain vote then Obama would walk it , the majority of Brits I've spoken to just have not taken to McCain at all.
American forign policy is very unpopular in many nations and you aren't going to change thier minds by bombing and invading, you simply add to the list of "enemies".Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Of course if you did honestly feel this way, you wouldn't get so riled up about the discussion :thumbsup: . You might even pass a valuable judgement on an important political matter. :DQuote:
I personally don't buy into the "world hates america" crap.
It is a broad over generalization, that I just don't buy. Are there people that "hate" america, yes. Does it matter in the big scheme of things, no. Should who in the world likes/dislikes the USA matter, no.
Naive statement indeed right there my friend.Quote:
Incorrect, that terrorist attack as well as others around the world have happened because of religious fanatics that do not believe anyone that does not share their world view should live. Plain and simple.
And yet again, 2 completely opposed world view points are on display!:D