Finding a reliable doc - who will stand by you in court?

Hi all,
I've read so much on docs in So. Cal who will write you a rec with little to no proof/documentation of your existing health condition, which many people get excited about, not realizing that if they're ever in serious trouble with the law they could be left holding a worthless piece of paper with no physician back-up.

How does one go about finding a doctor who will write a recommendation - and who will stand by his/her patients in court? I've heard conflicting stories about MediCann (for example) standing up with their patients, and equal stories of them not offering assistance of any kind in court. It seems perplexing, and honestly, scary. I have no interest in a recommendation if it won't hold up in court. I of course know one's own medical paper trail will assist in a legal bind, but having your doc's office who wrote the rec assist with the process is vital.

I have medicann and I assumed they would since they are a huge collective of doctors now but I guess it differs from doctor to doctor?:wtf:

sorry.....double post.

Looking at it from the Drs point of view.....why should he/she risk years of medical training etc so that you can smoke dope when you want? The doctor I went to offered to stand by me (she's now in JAIL btw) and gave me a paper saying court time cost US approximately $1000/day for her to testify but also that she WOULD testify for us if it came to that (as long as we paid of course).

Yes those doctors are out there........but you'd better have a pretty big wallet.

Weedhound why is she in jail, is it in any way related to medical marijuana?

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Originally Posted by seattlesmoke247

Weedhound why is she in jail, is it in any way related to medical marijuana?

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Yes it is. There are two sides to the story (of course.....) but she said she was giving clones to patients and the prosecution said she was selling. At the time the hubby and I went to see her ALL this information was given to both of us before we saw the doctor......the fact that they had been found guilty of several things. One charge was listed that they had over 100 plants growing. The trick of this is that it only added up to 100 plants over a period of about 3 busts.....approx 30 plants each time. The prosecution was allowed to go ahead and charge with the 100 plant charge and that is what made things a felony with mandatory jail time.

google Dr Marion "Mollie" Fry. There's tons of info on the case.

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

Yes it is. There are two sides to the story (of course.....) but she said she was giving clones to patients and the prosecution said she was selling. At the time the hubby and I went to see her ALL this information was given to both of us before we saw the doctor......the fact that they had been found guilty of several things. One charge was listed that they had over 100 plants growing. The trick of this is that it only added up to 100 plants over a period of about 3 busts.....approx 30 plants each time. The prosecution was allowed to go ahead and charge with the 100 plant charge and that is what made things a felony with mandatory jail time.

google Dr Marion "Mollie" Fry. There's tons of info on the case.

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reminds me of the court process in Chicago 8... all that drama was overturned within years.

I'm thought the appeals process is still ongoing?!?!?!

she was sentenced to 5 years in prison early march 2008, by end of march she was released on bail pending appeals
Fry and Shafer Released on Bail Pending Appeal : Indybay
DEA crows about busting medical marijuana doctor | NORML's Daily Audio Stash

Can we get back on topic please? How can we, as patients, be assured our rec will keep us free from prosecution?

There have been stories of patients who have received recs from "recommendation mills" only to be left high (no pun intended) and dry without legal support or backup from the doctor who prescribed the recommendation - meaning essentially, a worthless piece of paper and possible incrimination / incarceration. Serious problems. There doesn't seem to exist a "post-police review system" of recommendations to be able to guage the effectiveness of a doc's recommendation and its ability to hold up in court.

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Originally Posted by Neko150

Can we get back on topic please? How can we, as patients, be assured our rec will keep us free from prosecution?

There have been stories of patients who have received recs from "recommendation mills" only to be left high (no pun intended) and dry without legal support or backup from the doctor who prescribed the recommendation - meaning essentially, a worthless piece of paper and possible incrimination / incarceration. Serious problems. There doesn't seem to exist a "post-police review system" of recommendations to be able to guage the effectiveness of a doc's recommendation and its ability to hold up in court.

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Actually i listed the point already. You ready to pay for that guarantee? Then start calling around and asking the 215 docs. If you want to be DAMN sure.....go get info yourself and don't ask strangers on an internet cannabis forum. :wtf:

Flying......yes, they appealed but lost....and are now in jail for the five year minimum sentence.

my Doctor said he would testify, if necessary, as to the reasons I qualify, and need, Medical Marijuana ... fortunately, I haven't had to put him to the test ... a friend ignored my recommendations, and went to a 'pot permit wholesaler' (a money-hungry 'Dr.' that basically sells recommendations) ... I've warned him, that the local and County cops pretty much know which Doctors' recommendations to respect, and which are likely to be bogus, but he paid no heed ... yes, if a cop thinks your recommendation may be unwarranted, he's likely to bust you, and let the Judge decide ... after all, what's he got to lose ? ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

my Doctor said he would testify, if necessary, as to the reasons I qualify, and need, Medical Marijuana ... fortunately, I haven't had to put him to the test ... a friend ignored my recommendations, and went to a 'pot permit wholesaler' (a money-hungry 'Dr.' that basically sells recommendations) ... I've warned him, that the local and County cops pretty much know which Doctors' recommendations to respect, and which are likely to be bogus, but he paid no heed ... yes, if a cop thinks your recommendation may be unwarranted, he's likely to bust you, and let the Judge decide ... after all, what's he got to lose ? ... :smokin:

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It's still legal if it's a legal doctor. They can bust whomever they please....legal or otherwise. Remember the feds? My point is this to Neko.....if he wants to know FOR SURE he should NOT be asking people he doesn't even know; he should be researching the doctors himself.

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

If you want to be DAMN sure.....go get info yourself and don't ask strangers on an internet cannabis forum. :wtf:

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Forums exist largely for advice, which is what I created the thread for. Every doc I've called all say they'll stick by you - what better way to research what the docs will actually do than to ask existing patients online? :wtf:

The price of the rec, to me, isn't nearly as important as the peace of mind knowing it will hold up in court. It's difficult to discern which docs on the NORML site will and won't hold up. Searching these forums, the marijuana.com and 420magazine.com forums haven't warranted any solid doc recommendations either. I've got all of my medical records ready to go to visit a doctor, I just want to make sure I'm visiting the most legitimate doctor I can find.

So far, MediCann and Pacific Support Services both seem rather... eager... to give recommendations.

THATs the problem......who knows what will hold up in court?

And am I to assume that everyone on an interet forum tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Enough to base my freedom on? I personally wait for at LEAST three or four of the same opinion on the internet before I start to even THINK it MAY be true but that's just me.

Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Neko150

Can we get back on topic please? How can we, as patients, be assured our rec will keep us free from prosecution?

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Shrink the size of the federal government so that they're afraid of us rather than us being afraid of them:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

THATs the problem......who knows what will hold up in court?

And am I to assume that everyone on an interet forum tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Enough to base my freedom on? I personally wait for at LEAST three or four of the same opinion on the internet before I start to even THINK it MAY be true but that's just me.

Anyway, I hope you find what you are looking for. Good luck.

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I'm waiting for multiple opinions before moving forward. Thanks.

From what I've learned on marijuana.com forums, apparently any rec (as long as it is a legitimate rec from a legitimate CA physician) will hold up in court... Hrm. Combined with the state issued card, I suppose I would have nothing to really worry about. Assuming everything went well :wtf:

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