HELP! look at the pics help me out here please!!

i may have been over nuting or not enough of a certain one but check these out

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E-soil
E-B'Cuzz hydromix hp
E-bottled water
E-Source water 6.4
E-3 weeks
E-dnf gro for seedlings and cuttings
E-400w hps 3 ft from plant
E-day 30 deg and 50 humidity , night 24 40 humidity
E-18/6
E-air purifier and ocsilating fan and 465 cfm fan blowing through light box for 400w hps outside , no fresh air except when door open and air purifiers
E= media was claimed to be pre nutrianted

there about 8 inches tall showing reddish stalks stem is green and starting to flake and leaves are curling down and the bushy one is curling up a little dark green in the middle of leafs and turning yellowish on the outside except the bushy one what could be happening ?? over nute not enough of the right kind , and suggestions for the room or ideas how to fix it up or the plants

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I got lost between the hydro and the soil.......obviously you are in soil but the word hydro was mentioned in your post somewhere.

That looks like a straight up ph issue.....check your soil runoff which should be between 6.2-6.8......i'm betting yours is off. Looks like it's locking out all your nutes.

it was low ph like 6.2 so were gunna get some dolomite lime and see if we can level it out to 7, what should it be at? so was water my problem?

6.2 is within your limits.......you mentioned you are using bottled water? It may be a touch low but your plants look like they definitely have issues.

If you are not using tap water, perhaps you should try it. Check the ph and when you water try to keep ph up a bit (about 6.7) to compensate for the low runoff. I know Stinky doesn't like using bottled water but I can't quite remember why......lots of salt in bottled water or missing certain micro nutes or maybe both.

Another thought is to completely transplant them all into a good quality soil like Fox Farms or something. New good quality soil and a transplant can fix a lot of issues!

i think bottled water needs some cal mag

yeah i was thinking of finding lime to raise ph but i dont need to ? think if i use tap water instead they might wake back up, and the soil i have is top a the line stuff fromthe hydroponic shop ahah any ideas what shouod i do

I see your thermostat is using Centigrade, is that right? 30 degrees C is about 90F, much to hot for that plant.

yeah i know eh its an enclosed room with no outdoors acess any ideas on how to cool down? or bring the plants back to life? i fixed the waters ph im going to use on them to 7..... so if i water them normally with this should they perk back up after a bit??

just notices leaf tips are starting to burn a lil and turn kinda brown

I consider 7 too high. You need to get your room temps down....90F is too high for good health with cannabis.

Where's Stinky when you need her? She's the soil expert.

It just looks to me like EVERYTHING is off on those plants. I'd use tap water at 6.8 and .......again......consider transplanting to quality soil which will solve much of your problems.

what kind of soil, and its goin out of season its hard to find , buddy said at the store this stuffs the best..

ahh there dyin fast what do i do guys

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i may have been over nuting or not enough of a certain one but check these out

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Why are you using bottled water? If it's drinking water then often times it has sodium in it to account for human taste. If you use store bought water then you want to use distilled; however There is, TYPICALLY, nothing wrong with tap water. Tap water has Calcium and Magnesium in it, something that bottled water does not have and you would have to add through a supplement like CalMag. Calcium/Magnesium is essential for plant life/health.

Switch to tap water unless you are running water from a well and you know your water is bad, otherwise be sure to use DISTILLED water with CALMAG.

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You said your soil runoff is 6.2? That's still within your threshold however you want to try to be at about 6.8. Adding dolemite lime is a pain and would have to be added as a tea. Even then it would wash away. Water your plants with water ph'd at 6.8 - 7.0. This should bring your runoff ph closer to 6.5 which is much more ideal.

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You're a bit early, but I would check the plants for root bound conditions. While the soil is moist (not wet.. but just moist) gentle put your palm around the stalk and turn the pot upside down and wiggle it out of the pot. Check for root bound symptoms.

If you are root bound then now is the time to transplant. This would also address any ph issues you may be encountering.

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E-dnf gro for seedlings and cuttings

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How long have you been applying this? This is a hydroponics nutrient line.. not a soil based one. Which will really screw up your plants if you are dosing the hydroponic solution for your soil plants.

Simply Hydroponics - DNF

Flush your plants right away with ph 6.8 water, 3 times the pots size in volume of water (ie: 1 gallon pot = 3 gallons of water ph'd at 6.8 slowly and gently poured into the pots allowing it to drain very well.) then give a very very very light feeding (1/4 dose or 1/8 dose) of a good soil based nutrient line. Fox farms is a good place to start. Many people here like it and will attest to it's quality.

E-400w hps 3 ft from plant

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30 degrees? YIKES!! That is way too hot. Photosynthesis is optimal between 72 and 78 degrees F (22-26C). For every degree over 78 photosynthesis drastically declines until you hit 85 degrees where it nearly comes to a halt completely.

You need to cool your plants better. What is your ventilation setup like? you need to have an exhaust with a passive intake. I'll get to that later.

What is the size of your grow environment? Also I noticed you're using mylar. Mylar will create hotspots. You will want to rip that down and paint your walls FLAT WHITE.

Again, what is the size of your grow environment? This is a very important question in relation to the lighting you're using.

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Your air purifier is probably just wasting space. I would remove it. Heat will occupy a space until that space reaches the same temperature as the radiant heat source or higher. At which point heat can no longer effectively move anywhere and just builds hotter and hotter.

What this means is that any space you can free up is beneficial in a small grow area as it will help, slightly, reduce heat.

In addition your 465cfm fan.. is that an inline fan? If so you want to have it set to exhausting your room. Using it as an intake is just blowing hot air around. Your goal is to exhaust all the cubic feet of air in your grow environment in 5 minutes. I personally like to exhaust all the air in the room in 1 minute.

Are you running a cool tube or air cooled hood or anything of the sort to isolate the radiant heat coming off your light?

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This is a HUGE nono.. You want your plants to be in a non nuted media to begin with. Try using peat pucks next time or running a very good flush on your media before you use it.

Seeing as how it's too late for that now just be sure to follow the steps I listed above for flushing the plant.

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there about 8 inches tall showing reddish stalks stem is green and starting to flake and leaves are curling down and the bushy one is curling up a little dark green in the middle of leafs and turning yellowish on the outside except the bushy one what could be happening ?? over nute not enough of the right kind , and suggestions for the room or ideas how to fix it up or the plants

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You're doing a multitude of things wrong. Read everything I wrote and apply it to your grow. They can recover.

In order of importance:

Reduce heat
Change your water source or add CalMag
Flush your plants
Change Nutrients

Anything else I listed comes after that.

Good luck.

I take back what I said about transplanting. You are already in pots that are too big for your plant. If you try to transplant now you will just shock the hell out of the plant and it will get worse. Follow the flushing guidelines.

Be sure to drill additional holes into the sides of your pot to help with drainage and aeration. This will ensure your roots don't drown.

Also I still can't tell if that's an air cooled hood or not. Either way you need to be exhausting the room.

wow thanks alot for the info , yeah its a cool tube for the 400w hps and its an enclosed room so no new air but might be able to exhauset the room

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what is the ambient temperature outside the room? You want to set your fan to exhaust your cool tube.. not blow into it

If you can get another inline fan or squirrel cage fan to exhaust the room that would be best. Set it up at the highest point possible to draw the hot air up and away from the plants.

If you do not have an extra fan then uncap the passive intake side of your cool tube (this is after you flip your fan from intake and make it an exhaust.) and have it draw in air from the room so that get's exhausted out also.

Again.. what is the size of your grow area.. this is detrimental in relation to your 400 watt light.

you want your cool tube setup as follows:

passive intake ----> Air Cooled Hood -----> Exhaust going OUT OF THE ROOM

There is no reason your temps should be 90 degrees with your light 3ft above the canopy.

I'm also going to take a wild guess since you haven't responded to my question regarding the size of the grow area and say that you are probably growing in a space that is too small for a 400 watt hps.

yeah my room is about 8ft tall flat white walls concrete ceiling only one way for exhaust out of the room no new air available, its about 5 by 5 ft floorwith a foot of shelfs in the back, from the pics does the fan and hood look setup right

intake from the room exhaust going into tubeing then hood then tube then out of room

and there in lies your problem..

You need to find a source of FRESH COOL air. You also still need to flip your fan to be an exhaust going out of the room instead of being an intake.

You do not need an active intake for the room, but you do need to find a way to draw air in from a place outside of the grow area. Without that your temps will just continue to rise.

What type of bottled water is it? What is the pH AFTER adding nutes? Do you adjust it to 6.7 before use, and do you even have a runoff pH number available to gauge that?

temp outside room is 24, so the intake part of the blower hoooks into the hood maybe open one hole up to take in more air from outside the hood and blow the exhaust outside

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temp outside room is 24, so the intake part of the blower hoooks into the hood maybe open one hole up to take in more air from outside the hood and blow the exhaust outside

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Yes. You need to draw in air from outside the room.. and you need to exhaust outside the room.

Set your exhaust high and set your passive intake low. If you're using 6" ducting then have at least 1 6" hole at the bottom of your grow area as a passive intake, but it may be likely that you will need 1-2 holes.

After you get your heat issue addressed then you need to address your water/nutrient issue.

Honestly I would suggest you stop using bottled water all together and just use the water out of your tap. Be sure to PH the water to about 6.5 and that your run off is coming out between 6.3 - 6.8.

This is of course after you flush your plants as I explained in my first reply.

There are a few things you need to do to get these babies back on track. Address your heat issue first (3ft above the canopy and still 30C temps is ridiculous) then address the other things I outlined.

i changed the fan , working much better thanks a ton man, runn off is 6.2 i think i said it was im using tap water now or should i use distilled water that i put ph up in to get to 7.0 and no there inst really a way to get cool air in , any other ideas??

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i changed the fan , working much better thanks a ton man, runn off is 6.2 i think i said it was im using tap water now or should i use distilled water that i put ph up in to get to 7.0 and no there inst really a way to get cool air in , any other ideas??

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7.0 is out of your range.

Just use tap water that you use PH up or PH down to get it to 6.5. That is the middle of the line of your acceptable PH range for soil.

When you use distilled you have to use calmag which is just another added cost. Stick with tapwater and ph adjust it.

It takes much of the guess work out of it.

Surely there must be a way to get cool air into the room. You are obviously getting to the room some how so it's not sealed off completely. Is there a door or some sheet rock you can cut through? Maybe run some large PVC through the walls to pull in cool air from another room?

Without cool air coming in you will have problems.

theres no issue of over watering when flushing?? ive basically gatherd that but 3 gallons of water into the pot after slicing more hoels into it?il go back and read ur flushing thing and look abit more on the net and try that, how do closet grows work there must be a different way this room has a bathroom in the way of the bedroomwich has the window.... i got the exhaust all fixed il check tmep here ina min it should reduce huge... for cool air ... any ideas? and il get reading on fliushing because ive been using hydroponic nutes and schedule for a soil setup so i spose flush is definite .... thanks for the help guys looking for the feedback

for cool air i could go the hoel as exhaust above the bathroom into the bedroom closet behind the bed out the window with a small inline fann and tubing .... how big of a fan and tub would be needed for the area /light/plants ratios

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theres no issue of over watering when flushing?? ive basically gatherd that but 3 gallons of water into the pot after slicing more hoels into it?il go back and read ur flushing thing and look abit more on the net and try that, how do closet grows work there must be a different way this room has a bathroom in the way of the bedroomwich has the window.... i got the exhaust all fixed il check tmep here ina min it should reduce huge... for cool air ... any ideas? and il get reading on fliushing because ive been using hydroponic nutes and schedule for a soil setup so i spose flush is definite .... thanks for the help guys looking for the feedback

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Well.. it's 3 times the volume of the pot with PH'd water after you've drilled additional holes into the sides of the pot. So if you have 2 gallon pots, you will need to flush with 6 gallons of water.

Closet grows are usually a PITA unless you can cut holes into walls for your air exhaust and air supply. Can't you just pull in cool air from the bathroom?

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for cool air i could go the hoel as exhaust above the bathroom into the bedroom closet behind the bed out the window with a small inline fann and tubing .... how big of a fan and tub would be needed for the area /light/plants ratios

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You don't have to go all the way out the window. When I said fresh air I meant cool air that comes from outside of your grow environment. You will want a passive intake at least the same size as the ducting you have run in your grow area, which to me looks like 6" diameter ducting.

Technically you're running a big enough exhaust to be able to satisfy your room provided you had an adequate passive intake system; which is where I think you problem lies now.

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Well.. it's 3 times the volume of the pot with PH'd water after you've drilled additional holes into the sides of the pot. So if you have 2 gallon pots, you will need to flush with 6 gallons of water.

Closet grows are usually a PITA unless you can cut holes into walls for your air exhaust and air supply. Can't you just pull in cool air from the bathroom?

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just the air from the bathroom?? it doesnt need to be from outside the building?? yeah i can do that it would be like 22- 24 would that be fine? and shoulod i go to the hydroponic shop i get the stuff at and get nutriants for soil??

and i need another blower or inline fan??

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just the air from the bathroom?? it doesnt need to be from outside the building?? yeah i can do that it would be like 22- 24 would that be fine? and shoulod i go to the hydroponic shop i get the stuff at and get nutriants for soil??

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Yes, the air from the bathroom is fine. You just need cool air from outside your grow area. I would recommend you get some soil based nutes.. Fox Farms is a very popular nutrient line for soil.

In regards to the inline fan. A second inline fan would be beneficial if you set it up to exhaust the room and had your open end of your air cooled hood pulling air from the bathroom as well...

However if this is not possible then there is no need for a second high velocity fan really.

so the open hole inthe hood put duct into the bathroom and it will bring cool air into the hood..... will that be enough for the room?..... pic of the wall i could put a hole in....does it matter if the hole is at the bottom or top of the room

bottom of the room would be best as it would allow the cool air to rise from the bottom of the room and cool as it went up to the air cooled hood.

Putting it at the top wouldn't really cool the bottom of the room very well, and this is where your plants are. You want to create a cool buffer between the canopy and your lights.. which a hole at the bottom would do that much more efficiently than a hole at the top

for veg , would plant prod all perpous fertilizer 20-20-20 be good for soil nutes? and flowering plant prod fertilizer 15 30 15 be good for flowering nutes.... so cut 6 inch hole at bottom and get some kind of fan to suck it into the grow room? or just an open hole for air to pass freely? or am i mis understood on how to maximize the use of my 465 cfm fan already into the hood in pics above......?? my tap water is about 6-6.2 ph should i get lie 9 gal and rais to 6.8 and flush them??? all this should put me back on track righto???????????

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for veg , would plant prod all perpous fertilizer 20-20-20 be good for soil nutes? and flowering plant prod fertilizer 15 30 15 be good for flowering nutes.... so cut 6 inch hole at bottom and get some kind of fan to suck it into the grow room? or just an open hole for air to pass freely? or am i mis understood on how to maximize the use of my 465 cfm fan already into the hood in pics above......?? my tap water is about 6-6.2 ph should i get lie 9 gal and rais to 6.8 and flush them??? all this should put me back on track righto???????????

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Just leave the hole. You would be hurting the intake by putting a fan there. Unless the fan is also blowing in 465 cfm, you are only creating a bottleneck/chokepoint. Passive intakes (just holes with no fans) work best when you have an active exhaust running.

Yes you want to flush your plants out at about 6.8 - 7.0 ph. This will raise your run off ph to about 6.5-6.8 which is where you want to be.

In regards to your plant food.. I am not a fan of the all purpose plant food. It is often times too hot and not very good quality at all. The cheapest soil based nutes at your hydro store are better than the best all purpose nutes you get at your department store.

You should be heading back to the right track.

Out of curiousity what are your temperatures now with the 6" passive inake hole and with the fan running as an exhaust?

i gatta cut the hol il do that now..>>>>>> 6x6 hole?????????????????????

and il start phing the water and get ready for the big flush tongiht with my buddy

and il get back to you in a few hours dude be sure to check back dude