Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State

Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State



this was a great video on a speach obama did. great common sense. too many of our polititions and even leaders are running around saying "god told me to do it" god this god that. its digusting on how these people push their views on you

Video: Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State

So you're saying that if you talk about something you are pushing a view on someone? So Obama is pushing his view on everyone by simply talking about it right? Having an opinion or belief isn't necessarily pushing a view on someone....

Nope. Watched the video, and that's not what Obama said. Looking at Texas Grass's message, and that's not what he said either. So in anwer to your question.... Nope.

The cliff's notes of Obama's speech:

Democracy requires logical debate and logical decisions based on a plurality of beliefs. "Because my god says so" is not a rational argument, and is not acceptable to the democratic process.

In other words, it isn't a matter of whether someone is pushing their belief - no matter how many times a speaker brings up his god(s), he isn't going to suddenly make me start believing in his god(s). At most, it is just irritating - HOWEVER, if he uses his god(s) as a basis for policy discussion, if he uses his religious beliefs as a justification for legislation that effects us all - then we have a serious problem. We become a theocracy by proxy rather than a Democracy.

One's personal religious beliefs are a private matter, they have every right to practice and believe in any religion they want. However, when an elected official steps onto the floor of congress, they have a different roll. Their decisions, and their arguments should be confined to concrete reality, their goals should be for the best interest of their constituants both near and long term. Their positions must be backed by fact, and must stand logical analysis and debate - scripture cannot be debated, for those who believe in a religious edict, it is set in stone. For those that don't, it is irrelivant fantasy. Either way, it has no business being discussed in congress, and cannot be used as a basis for policy in a Democratic society.

You have to say Obama is one of the best speakers that have come along in a long time. And he always preaches tolerance. I still don't like dems but this man has the tools to be a great leader if he doesn't get too manipulated.

We should not even have to talk about this topic!!!

This country was founded on the principal of separation of church and state and the freedom of religion.

Just the point that we need to discuss this says there is something fundamentally wrong in government.
If you want Tarot Cards or Seances in the oval office, or even have the Devil Cast out of you, that's you.

Just don't be going to WAR because God told you to, that involves us all, and I may have a peaceful GOD.

That's what I like about Obama. His policies are all common sense. Just too bad a lot of people don't seem to have common sense.

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Originally Posted by JaySin

That's what I like about Obama. His policies are all common sense. Just too bad a lot of people don't seem to have common sense.

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+ A Trillion!!!

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Nope. Watched the video, and that's not what Obama said. Looking at Texas Grass's message, and that's not what he said either. So in anwer to your question.... Nope.

The cliff's notes of Obama's speech:

Democracy requires logical debate and logical decisions based on a plurality of beliefs. "Because my god says so" is not a rational argument, and is not acceptable to the democratic process.

In other words, it isn't a matter of whether someone is pushing their belief - no matter how many times a speaker brings up his god(s), he isn't going to suddenly make me start believing in his god(s). At most, it is just irritating - HOWEVER, if he uses his god(s) as a basis for policy discussion, if he uses his religious beliefs as a justification for legislation that effects us all - then we have a serious problem. We become a theocracy by proxy rather than a Democracy.

One's personal religious beliefs are a private matter, they have every right to practice and believe in any religion they want. However, when an elected official steps onto the floor of congress, they have a different roll. Their decisions, and their arguments should be confined to concrete reality, their goals should be for the best interest of their constituants both near and long term. Their positions must be backed by fact, and must stand logical analysis and debate - scripture cannot be debated, for those who believe in a religious edict, it is set in stone. For those that don't, it is irrelivant fantasy. Either way, it has no business being discussed in congress, and cannot be used as a basis for policy in a Democratic society.

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Good summary and very well said! And I agree with this policy 100%.

Simply speaking about something is not pushing a view on somoene. If anything it may be exposing them to a certain perspective but, not craming it down thier throat. There is a big difference.

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Originally Posted by apocolips31

Simply speaking about something is not pushing a view on somoene. If anything it may be exposing them to a certain perspective but, not craming it down thier throat. There is a big difference.

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the way bush and palin talk they push it down our thoats, especially when on public stage our president told national television that god told him to go to war, ect.


i guarantee if a catholic, musilim, or a buddhist, put as much religious speech on american tv, we would have all the evangelicals/southern baptist up in arms crying about how they are pushing their beliefs on us.

So you're saying that if someone is speaking about what they believe as a religion that all the sudden that is pushing their view on you? Religion just like everything else is a opinion and everyone has the right to tell their opinion. I don't see how just speaking your mind and what you believe is in anyway forcing someone to believe that way as well. If that is the case then you will agree Obama was pushing his beliefs on everyone by simply giving a speech about some of his ideas(beliefs)? Unless of course there is a double standard?

Using the podium of elected office to sell religious opinion is not the correct venue, and is at counter purposes to the job outline for that office.
Great thread, great posts.

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Originally Posted by texas grass

the way bush and palin talk they push it down our thoats, especially when on public stage our president told national television that god told him to go to war, ect.

i guarantee if a catholic, musilim, or a buddhist, put as much religious speech on american tv, we would have all the evangelicals/southern baptist up in arms crying about how they are pushing their beliefs on us.

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Originally Posted by texas grass

the way bush and palin talk they push it down our thoats, especially when on public stage our president told national television that god told him to go to war, ect.


i guarantee if a catholic, musilim, or a buddhist, put as much religious speech on american tv, we would have all the evangelicals/southern baptist up in arms crying about how they are pushing their beliefs on us.

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and we do have the counter story: COUNTRIES THAT HATE US, religions that hate us, we keep hearing this about islam and muslims. their extremist people are simply following their ultra conservative and extremist interpretation of their religion. same way bush says god told me to go to war, they say god tells us to kill the infidels... same shit on either side, just 2 different religions and beliefs, same formula though.