US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
By BBC News
Republished from BBC News Online
Beware the children
Children as young as 11 years old were held at Abu Ghraib, the Iraqi prison at the centre of the US prisoner abuse scandal, official documents reveal.
Brig Gen Janis Karpinski, formerly in charge of the jail, gave details of young people and women held there.
Her assertion was among documents obtained via legal action by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
The Pentagon has admitted juveniles were among the detainees, but said no child was subject to any abuse.
Brig Gen Karpinski made her remarks in an interview with a general investigating the abuses at the prison.
??Innocent civilians??
The transcript of her May 2004 interview was among hundreds of pages of papers obtained by the ACLU through the Freedom of Information Act.
In one case, witness statements among the released documents allege that four drunken Americans took a 17-year-old female prisoner from her cell and forced her to expose her breasts and kissed her.
In another documented incident, troops are alleged to have smeared mud on the detained 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general and forced his father to watch him shiver in the cold.
Brig Gen Karpinski, who was in charge at Abu Ghraib from July to November 2003, said she often visited the prison??s youngest inmates.
She said in her interview that she thought one boy ??looked like he was eight years old?.
??He told me he was almost 12,? she said. ??He told me his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying.?
She said the military began holding children and women at Abu Ghraib from mid-2003. She did not say what the youngsters had been locked up for.
In her interview with Maj Gen George Fay, she also said intelligence officers had worked out an agreement to hold detainees without keeping records.
The Pentagon has acknowledged holding so-called ??ghost detainees? on the basis that they were enemy combatants and therefore not entitled to prisoner of war protections.
Brig Gen Karpinski said US commanders were reluctant to release detainees, an attitude she called ??releasophobia?.
In her interview, she said Maj Gen Walter Wodjakowski, then the second most senior army general in Iraq, told her in the summer of 2003 not to release more prisoners, even if they were innocent.
??I don??t care if we??re holding 15,000 innocent civilians,? she said Maj Gen Wodjakowski told her. ??We??re winning the war.?
The ACLU has sued US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on behalf of four Iraqis and four Afghans who say they were tortured in US facilities.
Mr Rumsfeld has stated that neither he nor his aides ever condoned or authorised abuses.
Seven soldiers have been convicted by US courts martial in connection with the scandal at Abu Ghraib. Two others are still on trial.
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US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
you meant to say...
US 'liberates' youngsters at abu ghraib...didn't you?
you leftist america hating terrorist sympathizer liberal saddam loving communist!
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you meant to say...
US 'liberates' youngsters at abu ghraib...didn't you?
Oh yeah.....shit! how stupid of me.
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US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
who cares if they are young??no one.
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
and as for the lawsuit,it is almost as funny and irrevalant as the aclu itself.
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who cares if they are young??no one
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Originally Posted by amsterdam
who cares if they are young??no one.
you mean who has absolutely no sense of decency, thats right YOU. how can a person say its ok to lock an 11 year old up in a place were they hold legitimatly dangerous terrorists, he should be in some kinda foster care or something not locked up like an animal. you disgust me amsterdam, i seriously wanna rip the hair out of my head and gauge my eyes out of sheer anger at your lack of humanity.
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
He goes with what his mainstream republican news sources tell him and then calls the rest of us gullible sheep.
I prefer him over muslim-jihad-conspiracist-christian Torog though.
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
i don't watch the news at all?i am a blogger who gets his news from iraqi bloggers,american bloggers,egyption bloggers,lebonese bloggers.i never watch the news ever.and most are a far cry from republicans.the daily kos sure isnt and i read that everyday.
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
your a good guy to nullific!and i still dont care how old they are.the youngest is 15.
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i still dont care how old they are
your ignorance speaks for itself.
By saying things like that you get alot of people thinking stupid americans (my friend just said it as i was reading this), i dont take that view, there are stupid people everywhere but can you see what I mean?
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US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
I'm not sure its so much ignorance, so much as its sociopathy or perhaps just desensitized. Complete lack of sympathy or empathy for ones fellow man. Still, i guess no one can help it, everyones different.
I'm stoned... later.
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I'm not sure its so much ignorance, so much as its sociopathy or perhaps just desensitized. Complete lack of sympathy or empathy for ones fellow man. Still, i guess no one can help it, everyones different
I get what you mean but I still think he is just ignorant unless it jumps out at him. For someone who claims he's so well travelled and has never come across any anti americanism......he must be ignorant. When I go to london or amsterdam or in fact any where else in europe that has alot of young travellers all the canadians wear a canadian flag badge on their bag...when ever i have asked them why they do this they say its so people dont confuse us with people from the states, accompanied with statements such as you get a lot of hostility if people think thats where your from.......
Like I said b4 i dont take this view but alot of people do, i met some really cool americans and some assholes (including some whom when they were talking about london all they kept going on about was how big the burger king was....lol) but yeah trust me the anti american feeling is there.
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Originally Posted by Herbaholic00
I get what you mean but I still think he is just ignorant unless it jumps out at him. For someone who claims he's so well travelled and has never come across any anti americanism......he must be ignorant. When I go to london or amsterdam or in fact any where else in europe that has alot of young travellers all the canadians wear a canadian flag badge on their bag...when ever i have asked them why they do this they say its so people dont confuse us with people from the states, accompanied with statements such as you get a lot of hostility if people think thats where your from.......
Like I said b4 i dont take this view but alot of people do, i met some really cool americans and some assholes (including some whom when they were talking about london all they kept going on about was how big the burger king was....lol) but yeah trust me the anti american feeling is there.
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I go to Europe very often, and what you say is completely true... But when I go, I just tell people I'm Italian, so I'm cool :D
US detains youngsters at Abu Ghraib
then your a pussy.you must associate with chumps.and believe me,i dont just claim i am well traveled.you say your italian,yea right,and i just know they believe you.thats the dumbest shit i have ever heard.what a pussy.never in all my time in the MIDDLE EAST DID I EVER GET A DIRTY LOOK.EVER AND I HAD THE GUTS TO BE WHO I AM.
