White Widow and Hindu Kush grow with Amazon system

Hello.
With the White Widow coco grow finished and drying it is now time to start my next project.
This time I will grow using an aeroponics system called Nutriculture Amazon.
It will be a 16 plant SoG in my Darkroom 1*1m tent.
Hesi nutes
600W HPS in cooltube
280 kubic metre/hour exhaust fan sucking charcoal scrubbed air out.
2 fans moving the air around in the tent
Passive intake.

I have put 8 WW clones and 8 Hindu Kush clones in the system. The clones are not super strong and I know a few might not make it, I tried a new way to clone and it haven't gone perfect but we'll see how it goes.

The 16 plants are as of now in the system and under the HPS after having stood 2 weeks under a 125W LE.
They are getting low dose veg nutes and full dose rootcomplex for now until I see healthy roots.

Schematic pic of the Amazon system:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/ff8e00c5.jpg

Picture from my tent:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/DSCI0663.jpg

So here we are, new start.
I will use this grow as a learning experience and don't expect too much yet. The clones are not very strong and I am new to aeroponics but I have read up a lot and am in contact with some european growers using the same system so I hope the clones that develop healthy roots will make it through well.

Also another thing. I only had 2 Hindu Kush seeds and one of them showed sex a long time ago and was male. The one that is left I did a mother from but still 4 weeks later I am not 100% it is female so I am playing the odds here. It should be female but it is not confirmed yet.

I grow for the fun of it so I don't mind that much if I run into problem and just try to learn from it and hope I come out a better grower in the other end.

Welcome to my new log guys.

Puffzter

looks great so far. cant wate to see how this turns out.

This is gonna be a fun one for sure.
One of the biggest problems with handwatering as I did last grow was the extreme workload, sure only 5 plants but to haul water every 12-14 hours for 10 weeks (without a missed day ever) in a wheelchair was a bit tough.

There are other problems with this natrually like keeping pH on an even level it jumps around all the time and the biggest problem will be to keep the reservoar temperature low enough for healthy roots.
The Amazon system is very nice but it is made of black plastic which sucks a bit. I should buy some more mylar to cover it in.
I know many growers had problems with that and solved it with mylar or mounted cooling fans in the reservoar (or both).
Still, I can leave my home for a few days this time around. :D

Puffzter

Hey Puff nice to see you using aeroponics, if you have any questions Ill try to help you out, I actually throw ice in my reservoir now and then to keep the temperatures cool, that seems to work without the jerking the ph around too bad, also make sure no light is getting to your reservoir AT ALL, the smallest light leaks can lead to algae. Also as your roots get bigger you may want to lower reservoir level a little bit to give roots more room in the air, you dont want all the roots submerged all the time, u want them in air getting sprayed. Humidity may also be a problem because of your reservoir and the sprays going so watch for that. You system is black, that will block light really good from getting into your reservoir but it will probably get hot. Also make sure your water pump is secure so it doesnt slip away and cause your sprinklers to go dry, that happened to me before. Other then that, they say to flush your reservoir often, i flush mine every 2 weeks about, and I'll add fresh water and nutes. If the inside of your reservoir gets feels slippery anywhere then you might be developing algae, you may want to scrub out your reservoir every time you flush it.

I think youre going to love aeroponics, most important is keep an eye on your water, you want to monitor your res water frequently. Other then that get ready for rapid growth and super thriving plants.

Thanks man, appreciate it. :)

The roots can never reach the water by the way. The root chambre and the water reservoir are devided by a wall. The floor in the rootchambre drains into the reservoir at it's lowest point.
I've seen people using ice also and I will as well but that will be a way to get temps down if they are way too high as it is such a temporary fix. I'll modify my growroom or my system until I have a stable solution concerning that.
The waterpump is anchored to the floor of the reservoir chambre so it can never move. It is pressed down by the solid pipes.

I read quite a lot of Amazon logs and most of the guys have only actually changed the water once, when they shift to 12/12 or one time in the middle of bloom. I was thinking every 2-3 weeks or if I get into trouble.

No light leaks by the way, I held up the lid with the plants in it to the HPS and cant see a beam of light get through anywhere. :D

So far so good.

I'll be watching this log. There are a few benefits of doing hydro/aeroponics that I would like to take advantage of; but I'm worried about some things that a medium will take care of for you. Such as the temperature of the root area; natural buffering, and PH control.

I'm wary of hydro mostly because of the level of detail you have to pay attention to your resevoir. Granted probably checking the res once a day would be enough; but I'd be worried I'd screw something up.

In either case I'm going to stay tuned to see how well it turns out. If it looks like it's going well then I may bite the bullet. It would be nice to get rid of the cost of a substrate. In addition to being able to accurately tell how much your plants are eating (PPM in res) and the accelerated growth involved in hydro.

Subscribed. :thumbsup:

I added ice to my resrvoir almost a week ago and the water has been cool ever since. I think ill throw a bunch of ice in whenever it gets warm. And when it comes to hydro/aero, checking your water is really simple. If you think your gonna have problems all you have to do is add regular water. When you know what your doing and begin trusting yourself you can add nutes and all that.

Oh.
Well I'll try here as well later on then.
Now I first have the problem of a few plants not rooting properly while most grow roots at an insane rate.
I knew a few clones were weak but put them into the system anyway to see what happened.
If I don't see change very soon I'll make a few more clones to fill up the system with. I won't switch 12/12 until I have 16 solid plants to grow.

Puffzter

Ok, I made some clones the good old way to cover for the ones that don't seem to root. I went a bit experemential on the last clone and lost a few it seems.

7 White Widow clones, 4 Hindu Kush Clones and 2 Bonzai mothers:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/DSCI0671.jpg

Amazon 8 WWs and 8 HKs:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/DSCI0672.jpg

Inside Amazon:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/DSCI0674.jpg

As soon as I have 16 good clones in the system rooted, healthy and about 8-10 inches tall I am switching to 12/12.

Puffzter

Great genetics and looks like a fine set up too. :thumbsup:

I have been looking at the closet like yours. New to growing inside. Thinking of buying a supercloset made in San Fracisco, CA. I love to grow organic, but I have been ripped off so I am thinking of purchasing a grow closet. Does anyone have any suggestions?

That looks so easy!!

So easy even a caveman couuld do it!!! LOL.. I am pretty much hooked on this thread. Keeping a close eye on it.

Question: Can you move the plants around from spot to spot.. IE: rotate them around so they all get their fair share of the most intense light? It looks like once their in their spot and rooted.. that is pretty much it. No moving around after that.

Also do you anticipate having problems as far as root space is concerned? The system looks a little small for 16 plants... I've never flowered from clone and definitely never done aeroponics so I'm not sure but to me the root space looks minimal.

I guess I'll find out if I stay tuned all the way through to your harvest date. I'd like to run a 16 plant setup also if it works well for you.

krayKat:
A growtent is a really easy way to get a grow room in which you can direct airflow as you please etc so it's money well spent. Out of the ones I have used nothing matches the Secret Jardin Darkroom tents by the way. Mylar coated, sturdy and easy accessible.
Air can be directed in numerous ways as well.

Daihashi:
Hehe, ye seems like an easy ride but I am sure I will run into a few bumps.
The space for roots is no problems, and 16 clone plants easilly fits in this system. There is a 32 plant version even and I have seen people fill them.
The worst mess I ever saw however was an english grower who grew 16 plants in an Amazon 16 from seeds. He vegged to 14 inches lol. It was a damn mess all of it but he made it to harvest.
Plants can be turned and changed between positions with no problems. With a lot of rootmass a lot of care natrually has to be taken but I read that it is done.

If you are interested to check out the results some growers have gotten with this system there are quite a few logs on forms like UK420.com .
I haven't seen any american logs using the Amazon so maybe they are not sold on that side of the pond yet.

Puffzter

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Originally Posted by Puffzter

Daihashi:
Hehe, ye seems like an easy ride but I am sure I will run into a few bumps.
The space for roots is no problems, and 16 clone plants easilly fits in this system. There is a 32 plant version even and I have seen people fill them.
The worst mess I ever saw however was an english grower who grew 16 plants in an Amazon 16 from seeds. He vegged to 14 inches lol. It was a damn mess all of it but he made it to harvest.
Plants can be turned and changed between positions with no problems. With a lot of rootmass a lot of care natrually has to be taken but I read that it is done.

If you are interested to check out the results some growers have gotten with this system there are quite a few logs on forms like UK420.com .
I haven't seen any american logs using the Amazon so maybe they are not sold on that side of the pond yet.

Puffzter

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Yeah; all the sites I saw that are selling it are from the UK; which is a shame because it looks like a killer system but I'd hate to have to deal with over seas shipping. Maybe our neighbors to the north (canada) has the Amazon.

Or if I'm lucky by the time you finish your log it will be available in America! :hippy:

That looks like a nice neat little system. I bet you could reproduce it if your a bit of a jack of all trades and diy'er. Its something I definately wouldnt mind trying to make if I could get some more details of function or even a good cut away photo. Lookin forward to this one Puff. You and me are kinda in the same boat as far as growing. Im going to have plenty from this first grow for a long time, but its addictingly fun to try different ways so I'll be growing again as soon as I can. I just wish I could go ahead and get another strain to try. Im still pretty nervous about ordering seeds online.

Just order those seeds man. The risk is minimal. Just don't order them to the adress where you have your grow op running. ;)
I order my seeds straight to my home adress but in sweden seeds are perfectly legal, only the above ground parts of the cannabis plants are illegal here. :)

About the system it is a 14-17 gallon tank on which the root/sprinkler chambre is standing. There are 4 sprinklers in that chambre. The lid come in 8-16-32 plant versions. That's pretty much it. The first post in this thread has a cut away picture.
It sells for about US$320 in europe.

Puffzter

Looks good puff.

About ordering seeds. Seeds is legit in almost every country on the globe, its the germination and cultivation of the seeds which is illegal.

If nothing else just buy a baggie from the most devious drugdealer you can find and its almost certain to contain seeds.????

Anyways... Puff glad to see you got space... i have mine going till its done and then im waiting for a new appartment before i can get setup again :( so im enjoying the show you put up for me ...

Looks like I am fucked.
My Hindu Kush is no Hindu Kush, that I am damn sure of. I think it is industrial grade hemp to be honest.
These seeds were ordered in bulk by a guy to try out a really cheap seedbank and we knew it might be a bbit too good to be true but the seeds were visibly very different from eachother, we ordered Jack Herer and Hindu Kush, so we calmed down a bit after that.
I've had my suspicions for a while but now I am sure it is not HK, what it is I don't know though but I would be surprised if its any good and in the end I don't wanna grow even the best weed in the world if I don't know what it is.
Fuck! I put months into making a bonzai mother and clone and shit. I'll replace as many of the HKs as I can whith WW clones I have going but I wont be able to replace them all.
This is where they are from. MARIJUANA SEEDS, 20 $20, Ã?£10 €12 FEMINIZED $30 Ã?£15 €18 Still up and running and it does look a bit too good even now. I'll stick with Dutch Passion in the future, them I know I can trust. Money doesn't matter really but all time to find out something like this.

A Hindu Kush has short fat leaves just like the true indica it is but these are just wrong. It sets these multiple VERY long thin leaves and stretches very fast up even in very much light. It's either a scam or they mixed up the order and I am in fact growing Jack Herer. Never the less I will cut back on as many HKs as I can cover with WW clones as soon as they are rooted.

False Hindu Kush say smiile:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/43048752.jpg

Roots. Most are rooting even the ones I was sure wouldn't make it. Still a couple though.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...8/DSCI0685.jpg

Puffzter

tough break man. Those definitely look very sativa influenced. Have you tried contacting the seed bank to see if maybe they sent you all 1 strain instead of 2 like you asked?

Or maybe the guy who did the bulk buy got his seeds mixed up?

I wouldn't toss them out. I would investigate a little first to see if maybe somehow you could still determine the strain through some social networking. :hippy:

I will save one or two to grow depending on how many WW clones I can get to replace them fast.
I do not wanna grow shit that I am not 100% sure what it is. That gives me nothing.
This truly sucks.

Puffzter

They possibly could be JH, but I would have to see more pics, and they look a lil too light green to be JH. Sorry for your luck with these guys man....sucks
whiskeytango

That does suck. Dodgy bastards.

I'm glad you've got a good amount of white widow "back up" under these circumstances.

Hey Puff, I have followed your grow logs with interest. I hope your new hydro does even better than the last ,it was an impressive yield. Good luck and i hope the unknown strain isnt hemp! :)

I know it's only been 4 days but any updates? I've decided I probably will be going hydro or aeroponics next grow. Reason being is I also want to move to a 16 plant setup and currently mixing nutes and feeding 7 plants is a pain even for someone not in a wheelchair.

I think I'm going to follow your path and turn to the darkside for my next grow.

:thumbsup:

I replaced all but 3 of the unknown ones with white widow clones now.
It does not feel very fun to grow unknown strains even if the weed turn out just fine. But out of curiosity I will at least find out if it's dope or not.

Puffzter

Ye it is easier that's for sure. Now I check the water and adjust now and then. Refill some water like once a week or so and that's about it when it comes to physical labour at least.

As a handwater coco grower you are bound to your home pretty much and now it's nice to be able to leave home for a day or three without having to worry to much.

Puffzter

ok puff now im starting to think something bad happened
1 week no update :(

Been sick like hell with the flu here and when not I do after all have 10 ounces of weed in my appartment since last harvest so I have indulged a bit as well :rastasmoke:

Amazon grow is going quite well. I am still waiting for a bit better rootsystem on a few plants, when that is cool I will switch 12/12 asap and start updating here as I usually do.
Now I am off to a Halloween party, 3 1g spliffs and 12 beers with me. Should be ok for me + to make some new friends lol.

Later

:D

Hey, whats happening?

Long time, no se :(

Well I have been having some serious problems getting clones to root in small enough RW cubes to fit the super small pots in the amazon and because of that I haven't switched 12/12 yet.

The ones that did root well early on are getting quite big already so I will have to switch to bloom very soon even if all 16 slots in the system are not occupied by rooted plants. :(

Puffzter

just read all your logs and i have to say nice work lookin forward to seeing how they turn out. never have seen aeroponics at work. good luck

Okey, well thats no good news.. Hope you fix it!

I was gonna ask you what pH value you have in the water in your hydro system?

I've read that you had 5.8 i your last Coco grow, why so high?
I always read that 5.2 - 5.5 i recommended...?!

Ryder - Nope, 5.5 - 6.1 is the range with 5.8 being perfect for optimum uptake in hydro mediums. I'm guessing he's using the same pH in his new aero system.

Puff - Great job, man! I just took a read through your coco log... Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

subscribed! looks good!

Yes I keep 5.8 or as close to it as I can because it is pretty much in the middle of the optimal range.
If I have a period when I push really hard on nutes for some reason I might even go up a tad.

Now,
I am having problems with a few things with this grow.

The biggest problem is that it is REALLY hard to clone consistantly into small enough cubes to fit the system. If anyone has any ideas about how to solve this I will keep you red eyed around the clock whenever you get to Stockholm. ;)

I have tried a few ways to clone but I can't seem to get consistant results in small enough cubes.

The other problem being keeping the temperature down in the root chambre but that I can solve quite easilly for next grow and I think that problem is gone as soon as I have an even and dense canopy shading the actual top of the Amazon system.

The plants I have well rooted are very healthy but I am reluctant to switch to 12/12 until I have a decent number rooted.

Puffzter

ok you may have done this already but i always use rockwool in your case a 1inch square would do? in a mini greenhouse im sure you can get theme at most garden stores and cloneX G rooting agent 1\4 strenth flowering nutes
as needed you are skilled so you should figure out how much (not being a smart ass at all) btw i probably wont ever be in sweeden but just hope i can help.

Yeah I have done like that. I just don't get more than about 60% to root.
I think it's because the clones can only be stuck about an inch into the cubes as they are so small.
Before when I cloned directly into coco or into big cubes I never had any problems.

Guess the best thing to do would be to buy a good cloning machine tbh.
I clone in trays now.

Puffzter

Hi Puff!
I don't know how to PM you here, so I sent one on swecan.org
Just so you know... :)

Cheers