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Well, I am so fed up with Torog's lies I am making this, rant and rage, hate and dis all conservative lies and agenda. Gays are nice people in general, they dont give us STD's, they dont make us turn gay. They are born that way. They want us to accept them. Conservatives want to hate, ban, forbid them because of their christian alliances. We are a nation based on freedom, controlled by an evil dictating party of will. I am this close to leaving my business, friends, and life behind and moving to canada where I can do what I feel is right. Gays can marry there and there is less STDs there. Cuz they are smart and dont fuck every other person they meet like the crazy ass American teens do.
Iraq was agenda, we wanted to invade them before 9/11 and took it when it come, no wmds
Islam is a fine and good religion
America is not the best nation in the world, rather the second to worse 1st world nation (next to china)
I am so pissed at the ignorance and hate of conservatives that I make this thread in memory of american freedom; may it some day come back to us.

have a nice trip,dont let the border gates hit you on the way out!

i have.funny stuff.

Link.

This may to appeal to conservatives and liberals alike. But for different reasons.

I'm personally sick of Torog's biased posts.

yes, I have read Michael moores books, and sadly they seem true :(

Torog hasn't posted in politics for a couple days now...

Tired of being proven wrong?

Or selected as chief advisor to the Bush white house? :(

Althought I don't agree with your choice of words, I agree that Islam is essentially a peaceful religion (although, in my opinion, religion in itself breeds hate).. Homosexuality is not wrong and not a 'sin'. Iraq was on the agenda for a long time. And America (in my opinion) is not the greatest nation in the world... in my opinion, all 'nations' are equal, any other opinion would be racism. Perhaps if you specified something like "America is the most technologically advanced" or "America is the richest" etc etc, then there would be some truth to it, but technology and money dont equal greatness.. in fact, quite the opposite. sorry, im stoned, i dont even know if im making sense

No Ghost, you made total sense. Good post. :)

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Originally Posted by llamaman666

Well, I am so fed up with Torog's lies I am making this, rant and rage, hate and dis all conservative lies and agenda. Gays are nice people in general, they dont give us STD's, they dont make us turn gay. They are born that way. They want us to accept them. Conservatives want to hate, ban, forbid them because of their christian alliances. We are a nation based on freedom, controlled by an evil dictating party of will. I am this close to leaving my business, friends, and life behind and moving to canada where I can do what I feel is right. Gays can marry there and there is less STDs there. Cuz they are smart and dont f*ck every other person they meet like the crazy ass American teens do.
Iraq was agenda, we wanted to invade them before 9/11 and took it when it come, no wmds
Islam is a fine and good religion
America is not the best nation in the world, rather the second to worse 1st world nation (next to china)
I am so pissed at the ignorance and hate of conservatives that I make this thread in memory of american freedom; may it some day come back to us.

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Howdy llamaman,

Daggum..I reckon that I must have pissed in your cornflakes..for you to be this riled up at me-because of my opinions. It is my opinion and religious belief,that homosexuality,is a sin..I am entitled to my opinions and beliefs,just like you and everyone else,I ain't sure how old you are,but adults agree to disagree..children throw hissy fits. Btw,homosexuality,carries a death sentence,in fundy Islamic countries like Saudi..why don't you gripe about that ?

As for Iraq,you're right,there was an agenda,and that was to enforce existing,numerous,UN resolutions,regarding Iraq. All members of the Security Council,agreed that force could be used to make saddam and sons,to comply with UN resolutions. Also,our pilots ha been under continous attack,in the no-fly zones..that alone,constitutes an act of war against the US.

Islam,is the one religion,besides satanism,that requires it's followers to kill those who are not muslim. All muslims,are instructed,to lie in wait,for the moment to rise up and slay all infidels,like you and I,like communism,Islam also demands that the entire world,be converted to an Islamic State(Darfur?). I lived in Saudi,and I experienced first-hand,what it 's like,to live in a fundy islamic country..have you ? Everyday,at the crack of dawn,I had to listen to some muslim feller,make the call to prayer,during those times,5 times a day,we were restricted to our villa,and were not allowed outside of it,during prayer. Why you may ask ? Because our lives would be in danger-from so-called,"peaceful muslims"..who would be outraged,at Christians walking the street,during prayer.

I tell you what-if you hate America so much..why don't you leave ? There's probably a Canadian immigration workshop,near where you live. Do America a favor,and don't have a dual citizenship..please,by all means,denounce the country of your birth and your citizenship.

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Althought I don't agree with your choice of words, I agree that Islam is essentially a peaceful religion (although, in my opinion, religion in itself breeds hate).. Homosexuality is not wrong and not a 'sin'. Iraq was on the agenda for a long time. And America (in my opinion) is not the greatest nation in the world... in my opinion, all 'nations' are equal, any other opinion would be racism. Perhaps if you specified something like "America is the most technologically advanced" or "America is the richest" etc etc, then there would be some truth to it, but technology and money dont equal greatness.. in fact, quite the opposite. sorry, im stoned, i dont even know if im making sense

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Howdy Ghosttoker,

Until Islam drops the requirement for muslims to slay infidels,it cannot be considered a peaceful religion. Unless a nation,guarantees and respects,the rights of the individual,they will not be equal to America,or any other nation,that does. That's not racism,it's plain , simple fact.

It's not possible,for you to make sense,as long as you subscribe to the illogic and insanity of the liberal mind-set,a mind-set,that carries with it,an inherent impulse,towards self-destruction. Why else,would the Left,be so hell-bent on aiding and abbetting,the enemies of Freedom ?

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Originally Posted by Torog

I tell you what-if you hate America so much..why don't you leave ? There's probably a Canadian immigration workshop,near where you live. Do America a favor,and don't have a dual citizenship..please,by all means,denounce the country of your birth and your citizenship...........

.............Until Islam drops the requirement for muslims to slay infidels,it cannot be considered a peaceful religion. Unless a nation,guarantees and respects,the rights of the individual,they will not be equal to America,or any other nation,that does. That's not racism,it's plain , simple fact.

It's not possible,for you to make sense,as long as you subscribe to the illogic and insanity of the liberal mind-set,a mind-set,that carries with it,an inherent impulse,towards self-destruction. Why else,would the Left,be so hell-bent on aiding and abbetting,the enemies of Freedom?

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And if they don't agree with you they are an enemy combatant?
I don't think Ghost wants to aid and abet anyone but lovely young ladies!

I just love how you decide what other people believe.:rolleyes:

Do you believe in slaying all homosexuals just because your Lord commands it in your Bible?

If so, Until you and Christianity drop the requirement for Christians to slay homosexuals, Christianity cannot be considered a peaceful religion. Unless a religion guarantees and respects the rights of the individual, blah, blah, blah.....plain simple fact.

If not, shut the fuck up.:p

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Originally Posted by Sinsemilla Jones

And if they don't agree with you they are an enemy combatant?
I don't think Ghost wants to aid and abet anyone but lovely young ladies!

I just love how you decide what other people believe.:rolleyes:

Do you believe in slaying all homosexuals just because your Lord commands it in your Bible?

If so, Until you and Christianity drop the requirement for Christians to slay homosexuals, Christianity cannot be considered a peaceful religion. Unless a religion guarantees and respects the rights of the individual, blah, blah, blah.....plain simple fact.

If not, shut the f*ck up.:p

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Howdy Sinse,

There ain't no call for killing homosexuals in the Bible.. Christians are required to love the sinner..and hate the sin..there's no need for killing homosexuals,but as a Christian,I hope that I can lead them to Christ..and they can repent of their sins and be saved..it is Islam,that calls for the death of homosexuals-not Christianity.

You proclaim:"If not, shut the f*ck up" ...I say-ain't it a daggum shame,that I have sworn an oath,to protect your freedom of speech..and you seek to deny me mine. I think that you're just another spoiled,un-grateful youngun..that expects everything to be handed to ya-on a silver platter. Are you even grateful..for the basics of food,shelter and Life ? Many folks,don't even have those simple blessings..yet you probably take them for granted.

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Originally Posted by Torog

There ain't no call for killing homosexuals in the Bible.

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If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
-Leviticus 20:13

Death is also called for sorcery (Ex. 22:18), adultery (Lev. 20:10), cursing one's parents (Ex. 21:17), and sacrificing to another god (Ex. 22:20) among other offenses.

So, will Christianity (and Judaism) cut that stuff out of the Bible, or will you SHUT THE FUCK UP about some crap in the Quoran that most sensible Muslims don't believe?

Torog, I dont know where you got that from, but I in no way "subscribe to the illogic and insanity of the liberal mind-set,a mind-set,that carries with it,an inherent impulse,towards self-destruction."

I have my own mindset. I'll summarize it for you.

I detest violence of any sort, whether it be a fight in a bar, or war.

I hate racism and prejudism. This includes hating homosexuals, hating Christianity, hating Muslims, etc.

I hate all organized religions. Just as you 'love the sinner, hate the sin', I dont hate religious people, just the religion itself, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc etc. I am not prejudist against these religions, I just despise organized religion as a whole.

Now, maybe it does say in the Quoran or whatever that Muslims have to kill anybody who is not Islamic. But like Sinsemilla said, it also says in the bible that homosexuality is punishable by death. Now, %99.9 of Christians would not kill a homosexual just because of their sexual orientation, but im sure there are some who would, just as there were groups of Christians who took part in killing African-Americans in the past just because of their skin colour. Now, because some Christians partake - or would like to - in this kind of thing, it doesnt mean that the Christianity of today is a violent religion, because most people ignore the violent parts (like homosexuality being punishable by death, as I just said). This is the same for Islam. Most normal, law-abiding, average Muslim people do not go around killing anybody who is not of the same religion, even though they may be 'instructed' to. They dont, they just ignore it and live peacefully.

So, if both Christians and Muslims are ordered by their religions to be violent, but most Christians and Muslims ignore these commands and live a peaceful life, then you can't differentiate between the two. Either they are both violent, because the religious text they live by commands them to be, or neither of them are violent, because the majority of the population of both religions ignores these violent commands. Which is it to be? A violent Christianity, or a peaceful Islam?

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Originally Posted by Sinsemilla Jones

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
-Leviticus 20:13

Death is also called for sorcery (Ex. 22:18), adultery (Lev. 20:10), cursing one's parents (Ex. 21:17), and sacrificing to another god (Ex. 22:20) among other offenses.

So, will Christianity (and Judaism) cut that stuff out of the Bible, or will you SHUT THE F*CK UP about some crap in the Quoran that most sensible Muslims don't believe?

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Howdy Sinse,

If Jesus doesn't call for it..and He don't..the Ten Commandments,are what I'm supposed to uphold.."Thou Shalt not kill",is why Christians don't follow the edicts of the Old Testament..and are now followers of Christ and the New Testament.

All muslims are instructed to lie and to decieve infidels..if acting "sensible" is a part of that charade..then that's exactly what they will do..until the moment to slay them-presents it's self. Islam,is actively murdering infidels..last time I checked,homosexuality,is not a capitol offense in this country-like it is in Saudi.

I will continue to express my beliefs and opinions..and if you don't like it-you're welcome to come on down to Texas..and try and shut me up :D

Like Clint Eastwood said.."feelin lucky punk ? Go ahead-make my day !"

Howdy Ghost,

You say:" So, if both Christians and Muslims are ordered by their religions to be violent, but most Christians and Muslims ignore these commands and live a peaceful life, then you can't differentiate between the two."

I most certainly can distinguish between the two-Islam is based on the ravings of a terrorist pedophile..a mere mortal,characterized as a prophet,whereas my Faith,is with Jesus Christ,the Son of God.



" Either they are both violent, because the religious text they live by commands them to be, or neither of them are violent, because the majority of the population of both religions ignores these violent commands. Which is it to be? A violent Christianity, or a peaceful Islam? "

Since Jesus Christ came down from Heaven..Christianity changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament..Islam has made no such changes and is becoming the 'religion',that draws every deluded,violent nut on the planet and gives them justification for using violence of the most brutal nature..like beheading of infidels,a cherished and honored practice of muslims,since the inception of Islam.

You know what I find funny and weird ? The way that liberals hate to be called liberals..heck-I don't mind being called a conservative..y'all can even call me a redneck hick..it ain't gonna git my panties in a wad,like it does yours.

Why don't you be a man and define where you stand politically ? It's pretty obvious,that you ain't conservative..there's a Left,Middle and Right..which are you ? I took a political test one time,and I found out that I'm in the middle of the authoratative Right.

Have a good one....

Yo Torog. I've been tempted to reply to a lot of your racist/homophobic/generally insulting posts and threads but usually bail out in the end, simply because it's not my place to judge your views. Particularly in the fact we are of different countries and cultures. I also notice a lot of your views are based on your religion and thus again, I don't wish to impose (I was christened as a baby, but obviously didn't make the choice).
In England, homosexuality is embraced and accepted as a totally natural thing and everyone is indeed treated equal. We have a growing muslim/hindi culture that is also widely accepted, obviously we get the occasional prick that refuses to live with it but then what country doesn't?
My point is you obviously love your country and (like most Americans) express your pride in the fact it is (much like ours) a free country. What I don't understand is if America is supposed to be the land of freedom (or however you want to put it), why do Americans like you, rich in discriminating opinions, refuse to accept gays or muslims and actively put them down as if they are the enemy?
A free country (like the UK for example) does what it says on the tin, everyone is treated equally and if they're not, it IS racist and it IS homophobic and shit gets done to sort it out. I'll make the assumption you've never even set foot on European soil recreationally, were you to come to England and experience this authentic, equal society, would you be disgusted or offended by it? Because in your eyes, it's exactly what your supposed to have back home.
I'm aware your religion opposes gays, doesn't that mean your just contradicting yourself. If your a man that loves freedom, you believe in freedom for everyone.

It's a straightforward question, no insults attached. Will you answer it, or does the opinion of a "euroweenie" matter not to your American ego?

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Yo Torog. I've been tempted to reply to a lot of your racist/homophobic/generally insulting posts and threads but usually bail out in the end, simply because it's not my place to judge your views. Particularly in the fact we are of different countries and cultures. I also notice a lot of your views are based on your religion and thus again, I don't wish to impose (I was christened as a baby, but obviously didn't make the choice).
In England, homosexuality is embraced and accepted as a totally natural thing and everyone is indeed treated equal. We have a growing muslim/hindi culture that is also widely accepted, obviously we get the occasional prick that refuses to live with it but then what country doesn't?
My point is you obviously love your country and (like most Americans) express your pride in the fact it is (much like ours) a free country. What I don't understand is if America is supposed to be the land of freedom (or however you want to put it), why do Americans like you, rich in discriminating opinions, refuse to accept gays or muslims and actively put them down as if they are the enemy?
A free country (like the UK for example) does what it says on the tin, everyone is treated equally and if they're not, it IS racist and it IS homophobic and shit gets done to sort it out. I'll make the assumption you've never even set foot on European soil recreationally, were you to come to England and experience this authentic, equal society, would you be disgusted or offended by it? Because in your eyes, it's exactly what your supposed to have back home.
I'm aware your religion opposes gays, doesn't that mean your just contradicting yourself. If your a man that loves freedom, you believe in freedom for everyone.

It's a straightforward question, no insults attached. Will you answer it, or does the opinion of a "euroweenie" matter not to your American ego?

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Howdy Button Basher,

First off,let's git one thing straight-I have no fear of gays..but I do fear the harm that they do to society and the traditional family,and the confusion that they instill in young minds in order to advance their agenda of equality,for a lifestyle that's counter to the natural human cycle.

I am concerned for England,they recently declared,that they are no longer a Christian nation,and such is reflected by no longer viewing homosexuality as a sin,even going so far,as to silence Christians with threat of penalty and arrest-if they dare voice their opinion in public..that ain't a free society.

England,is in danger of becoming an Islamic state,because y'all are "embracing "the rights of muslims,even above those of your own citizens..y'all can't critisize muslims in public any more,but you allow them to hold public gatherings,where they call for the violent overthrow of the British goverment.

You ask: "I'll make the assumption you've never even set foot on European soil recreationally, were you to come to England and experience this authentic, equal society, would you be disgusted or offended by it? "

Nope..I haven't been to England,I do have some distant relatives there,but I doubt that I'll ever go and visit them. Well..I reckon,that I would be disgusted,if saw 2 fellers holding hands or kissing,and I would be offended that I can't say anything about it in public,I reckon,that I'd be disgusted and offended,if British folks were supporting the muslim jihadists and cheering over 9/11. I reckon,that a Texan like me,would be treated badly for who I am and where I come from,and my conservative Christian views,would land me in hot water-real quick. I'm about as politically incorrect as you can git-and England,is all about political correctness..yup-I don't reckon that I'd be treated equal at all. But I'd try and give y'all the benefit of the doubt.

Have a good one...

I dunno, sounds like an Old Testament, Jehovah type of thing.;)

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Originally Posted by Torog

All muslims are instructed to lie and to decieve infidels.

Islam is based on the ravings of a terrorist pedophile.

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ALL Muslims, ALL, every last one, you've spoken to ALL Muslims to confirm this?
And who does this instructing?
And if all Muslims lie to infidels, wouldn't the Muslims who disclosed this be lying?


I guess if one wanted to twist things, you could say,
"America is based on the ravings of a slave holding sexual predator."

But you could quite accurately say,
"America is based on the genocide of the American Indian and the enslavement of the African American."

Does that make America inherently evil?

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Originally Posted by Jesus

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Let you who are without sin cast the first stone.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Seek ye the truth and the truth shall set you free.

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Yes, I can see the great influence Jesus has had on you.
:rolleyes:

"First off,let's git one thing straight-I have no fear of gays..but I do fear the harm that they do to society and the traditional family,and the confusion that they instill in young minds in order to advance their agenda of equality,for a lifestyle that's counter to the natural human cycle."

You say it like it's some evil plan they're plotting, but I guess the important things is where your priorities lie.

"I am concerned for England,they recently declared,that they are no longer a Christian nation,and such is reflected by no longer viewing homosexuality as a sin,even going so far,as to silence Christians with threat of penalty and arrest-if they dare voice their opinion in public..that ain't a free society."

Because there is no balanced opinion opposing gays. Yours is an extreme religious view and your entitled to it, but the fact that gays do little to harm anyone means there is simply no need to take action against them. If some Christian prick knocks a homosexual to the ground and calls him a fag, he deserves to be arrested. Tradition changes, learn to live with it.

"England,is in danger of becoming an Islamic state,because y'all are "embracing "the rights of muslims,even above those of your own citizens..y'all can't critisize muslims in public any more,but you allow them to hold public gatherings,where they call for the violent overthrow of the British goverment."

England will never become an Islamic nation, it's simply not possible, unless your fantasy of Muslims swarming the streets and forcing everyone to convert should ever happen (which it won't, that's also impossible). It all amounts to the same conclusion: British Muslims do not cause any trouble or harm, they are hard working and respected by the majority. To openly criticise an Muslim for their religion is racism, pure and simple. If we, as a country, allowed this stuff to happen we'd be a pretty fucked up place. Racism is not tolerated, and that's the way we British like it. Any racist fuck that thinks he can badmouth the good Muslim folk of Britain deserves to get bummed in the showers of British prisons. You do make a good point about Muslim extremists and their hateful public gatherings and take it from me, none of us want it. We want the pricks out, but the government insists it's alright. What's a man to do?

"Nope..I haven't been to England,I do have some distant relatives there,but I doubt that I'll ever go and visit them. Well..I reckon,that I would be disgusted,if saw 2 fellers holding hands or kissing,and I would be offended that I can't say anything about it in public"

Do you not see where i'm coming from though? I'll admit, the sight of two guys liplocked turns my stomach :p , but it's not my place to say it's wrong. Love is love, and the last thing we do as a free country is ban certain groups of people for being different, aye Torog? Is it so hard to just accept that people are like that without having to tell them in the most hateful way possible?

"I reckon,that I'd be disgusted and offended,if British folks were supporting the muslim jihadists and cheering over 9/11."

Well we don't, so chill yourself.

"I reckon,that a Texan like me,would be treated badly for who I am and where I come from,and my conservative Christian views,would land me in hot water-real quick."

Not at all, unless of course you kicked the in the door of a gay club and started shooting your mouth off. You wouldn't be hated for being a conservative Christian, you'd be hated for being a loud mouth prick (which is pretty much the case on these forums).

"I'm about as politically incorrect as you can git-and England,is all about political correctness..yup-I don't reckon that I'd be treated equal at all. But I'd try and give y'all the benefit of the doubt."

It's all a matter of your respect for other people. You can be a conservative American in Britain and noone will smite you for it. People may not approve, but that's politics and the majority would keep their mouth shut (i'm sure you'd appreciate that). You probably have some perfectly logical views in conjunction with your religion/personal experiences/etc Torog, the fact you choose to share them in the way you do doesn't make you seem like the nicest guy. Know what I mean?

Have a good one yourself.

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Howdy Button Basher,

First off,let's git one thing straight-I have no fear of gays..but I do fear the harm that they do to society and the traditional family,and the confusion that they instill in young minds in order to advance their agenda of equality,for a lifestyle that's counter to the natural human cycle.

I am concerned for England,they recently declared,that they are no longer a Christian nation,and such is reflected by no longer viewing homosexuality as a sin,even going so far,as to silence Christians with threat of penalty and arrest-if they dare voice their opinion in public..that ain't a free society.

England,is in danger of becoming an Islamic state,because y'all are "embracing "the rights of muslims,even above those of your own citizens..y'all can't critisize muslims in public any more,but you allow them to hold public gatherings,where they call for the violent overthrow of the British goverment.

You ask: "I'll make the assumption you've never even set foot on European soil recreationally, were you to come to England and experience this authentic, equal society, would you be disgusted or offended by it? "

Nope..I haven't been to England,I do have some distant relatives there,but I doubt that I'll ever go and visit them. Well..I reckon,that I would be disgusted,if saw 2 fellers holding hands or kissing,and I would be offended that I can't say anything about it in public,I reckon,that I'd be disgusted and offended,if British folks were supporting the muslim jihadists and cheering over 9/11. I reckon,that a Texan like me,would be treated badly for who I am and where I come from,and my conservative Christian views,would land me in hot water-real quick. I'm about as politically incorrect as you can git-and England,is all about political correctness..yup-I don't reckon that I'd be treated equal at all. But I'd try and give y'all the benefit of the doubt.

Have a good one...

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ahh yes, and through substitution you fear gays. They are not trying to hurt your traditional families, but just be excepted. I am 29, served as a interpreter for the military for four years. Born ins louisiana. so dont say I dont know what all of this shit is. My family left the south because we got crosses spray painted all over our house. :(
not cool. all muslims aint bad, all christians aint good.

"You know what I find funny and weird ? The way that liberals hate to be called liberals..heck-I don't mind being called a conservative..y'all can even call me a redneck hick..it ain't gonna git my panties in a wad,like it does yours"

You know what I find funny and weird? The way you label everyone a 'Liberal' just because they don't condone war, hate Muslims, hate homosexuals, and love Bush. If, in your opinion, that is the definition of a Liberal, then i'm proud to be one. At the end of the day, i'm the one who's going to be able to live happily in a multicultural society, and focus my attention on things that are important such as Peace, Love, Unity and Understanding, as opposed to hate, violence, and prejudism.

One more point on this whole Liberal thing; I don't call myself a Liberal simply because I have my own opinions and my own views, and would rather not be pidgeon-holed under one category. But like I said, if that's your definition of a Liberal (somebody who doesn't condone hate, somebody who doesn't hate people just because of their sexual orientation, race or religion), and I had to be classed as one or the other, then I would call myself a Liberal without a doubt.

"Why don't you be a man and define where you stand politically ? It's pretty obvious,that you ain't conservative..there's a Left,Middle and Right..which are you ?"

Because politics disgusts me. Firstly because %99 of politicians are greedy, self-centered and selfish, or at least appear to be so. Secondly, because I will never vote for a government that spends more on Defence and the Armed Forces than it does on things such as the Health Systems, fighting homelessness, education, etc.

I know where I stand politically - as far away as possible.

I took a political test one time,and I found out that I'm in the middle of the authoratative Right"

What a surprise.

Howdy GhostToker,

You say:" Because politics disgusts me. Firstly because %99 of politicians are greedy, self-centered and selfish, or at least appear to be so. Secondly, because I will never vote for a government that spends more on Defence and the Armed Forces than it does on things such as the Health Systems, fighting homelessness, education, etc. "

What y'all liberals don't seem to understand,is that there is no need to spend money on social programs..if our country is laid waste..because we didn't believe in having a strong military,to defend our Freedom and lives..defense first-social engineering-second..that should be simple enough for anyone to understand.

Someday,when you grow up and have a family,you will want them to be safe-social programs won't do that-only a strong military will..and the certain knowledge--that the Tree of Liberty..must be refreshed..with the blood of tryannts and patriots..from time to time..such ,is the Human condition.

Thank God..the grown-ups are in the White House.

Have a good one...

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ahh yes, and through substitution you fear gays. They are not trying to hurt your traditional families, but just be excepted. I am 29, served as a interpreter for the military for four years. Born ins louisiana. so dont say I dont know what all of this shit is. My family left the south because we got crosses spray painted all over our house. :(
not cool. all muslims aint bad, all christians aint good.

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Howdy llamaman,

Once again..I don't fear gays..I fear the slippery slope of normalizing perveted and abnormal sexual practices..NAMBLA..is chomping at the bit--to git their agenda approved..and much depends on the success of the radical gay agenda.

Why would anyone,paint crosses on your house ?

What language,were you an interpreter for ?

My girlfriend and I,don't go around telling folks,that she's Jewish..because of the folks in this area,who don't like Jews..I can emphasise with you somewhat.

I also agree,that not all muslims are bad and that not all Christians,are good. I want to give muslims the benefit of the doubt, I want to think of muslim-Americans,as simply Americans..working for Peace and democratic freedom,the world over.

Have a good one...

Fuck both parties.
None of this is going to get any better if we keep switching from republican to democrat to republican to democrat and bitching at each other for being republicans or democrats.
Everyone can agree the voting system of the United States needs to be reformed, it wont be if nobody does anything about it.
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/..._important.htm
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20021102/bob8.asp

Secondly, stop using labels, *cough*Torog*cough*.
Go through his posts and you'll see liberal-this and democrat-that and jihad supporter, communist blah blah and the propaganda images got old 50 threads ago.

Torog you seem all about this war on terrorism or muslims or anyone who doesn't agree with you or spreading democracy or whatever...
Did you see all the other wonderful things I noted Bush is doing in another thread?
http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost....9&postcount=16
Of course we don't hear much about these issues, we're too busy paying attention to this 'war'.

After reading this thread I have a sever headache.

However it was interesting.

Torog makes some good points.
The rest of you make some good points.

Its not our place to say what gay people can or can't do.
AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION. That is unarguable. We're the richest, smartest, and can easily kick anyones ass. We got that way because the majority of us work hard to improve ourselves and our country. I say fuck democrats and republicans. Your splitting our country in two.

Republicans theres no point in being close minded ya rich bitches
Democrats your just a buncha poor freeloading bastards
Independants Organize yourselves better and find a good represenitive.

America is the best nation? That's the kind of attitude I hate. Maybe America is the 'best', maybe it's not, but why do you feel the need to say that one nation is better than any other? It's pointless, ridiculous, and does nothing but cause conflict and hate.

P.S. How can a nation be the 'smartest' ?

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

America is the best nation? That's the kind of attitude I hate. Maybe America is the 'best', maybe it's not, but why do you feel the need to say that one nation is better than any other? It's pointless, ridiculous, and does nothing but cause conflict and hate.

P.S. How can a nation be the 'smartest' ?

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Howdy GhostToker,

I'm trying to recall..are you American or British ? If you're American,then your confusion about why America is unique and the best nation,is probably because of self-loathing,America hating,liberal teachers,who have not taught you that America is great-because we were founded on the principle of individual rights.

If your British,then it's easy to understand your confusion,as your country was founded on the superiority of the royal class, over that of the individual. Y'all are expected to git on bended knee,and kiss the Queen's royal behind. I realize that that the royalty,is mostly just a symbol,these days..still-the implication is clear-that royalty is superior to that of the commoner.

Have a good one...

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homosexuality,carries a death sentence,in fundy Islamic countries like Saudi

Islam,is the one religion,besides satanism,that requires it's followers to kill those who are not muslim

All muslims,are instructed,to lie in wait,for the moment to rise up and slay all infidels,like you and I,like communism,Islam also demands that the entire world,be converted to an Islamic State

the illogic and insanity of the liberal mind-set,a mind-set,that carries with it,an inherent impulse,towards self-destruction. Why else,would the Left,be so hell-bent on aiding and abbetting,the enemies of Freedom ?

Christians are required to love the sinner..and hate the sin

I think that you're just another spoiled,un-grateful youngun

All muslims are instructed to lie and to decieve infidels

Islam is based on the ravings of a terrorist pedophile

Islam has made no such changes and is becoming the 'religion',that draws every deluded,violent nut on the planet and gives them justification for using violence of the most brutal nature

but I do fear the harm that they do to society and the traditional family,and the confusion that they instill in young minds in order to advance their agenda of equality,for a lifestyle that's counter to the natural human cycle.

I am concerned for England,they recently declared,that they are no longer a Christian nation,and such is reflected by no longer viewing homosexuality as a sin,even going so far,as to silence Christians with threat of penalty and arrest

England,is in danger of becoming an Islamic state,because y'all are "embracing "the rights of muslims,even above those of your own citizens..y'all can't critisize muslims in public any more,but you allow them to hold public gatherings,where they call for the violent overthrow of the British goverment.

What y'all liberals don't seem to understand,is that there is no need to spend money on social programs

defense first-social engineering-second..that should be simple enough for anyone to understand.

Someday,when you grow up and have a family,you will want them to be safe-social programs won't do that-only a strong military will..and the certain knowledge--that the Tree of Liberty..must be refreshed..with the blood of tryannts and patriots..from time to time..such ,is the Human condition.

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This is a collection of Torogian quotes that I have gathered from the first page of this topic alone, yet it's the same crap that appears daily in his rantings. Of course, I didn't even add all the stupid labels that people must belong to. According to him, each and every one of us has to display our colors on our sleeves, or else we're weenies. Liberal, Dims, democrappers, jihadist, self-loathing liberal, homosexual agenda, communist, socialist, etc. etc. etc.....

He says that the English are required to kiss the queens ass, fact is no one's done that since queen Victoria, but that doesn't matter, you have a queen, you have to kiss her ass....

However, he doesn't realize the irony that the only person here kissing his political leader's ass is himself. But that doesn't matter, cause he's right (pun intended) and everyone else is wrong.

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AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION. That is unarguable. We're the richest, smartest, and can easily kick anyones ass

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Actually, a lot of studies show that your beloved America has one of the worst schooling systems in the developped world, and that all the kids that emerge out of it are a lot dumber than kids from other countries.

As for the rest of the crap you wrote, it's like saying my dad can kick your dad's butt. Wow. It's been, what, almost 4 years since 9/11, and you still can't find Osama... You successfully invaded Iraq... What a feat, what a demonstration of the amazing force that is the American army!

That's the kind of stupid arrogance that led to the brilliant Vietnam war... defeated by a country a fraction of the size of yours.. Tsk tsk, what a shame...

Well when I said this nation is the smartest I was obiously reffering to the people here, we have a good educational system..almost too good (its basically now a requirement to go to college if you want a decent job) Japan may be up there as well, but their all into the entertainment aspect of things, and focus very little on practical needs. Look at all the great things that have came out of this country, Cars, Internet, Electricity..etc.

When I say we're the best I'm not trying to put down other nations, rather expressing my love for the nation I love in..Maybe that makes me an ass.. but at least I'm not an ingreatful spoiled bitch.

Just because we can kick anyones ass, doesnt mean we should..yeah the vietnam war was hella lame.

Btw, Your all smarter then me anyways, you prolly watch CNN and all that shit, I could care less.. don't try and argue with me im 16.. and naive.

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This is a collection of Torogian quotes that I have gathered from the first page of this topic alone, yet it's the same crap that appears daily in his rantings. Of course, I didn't even add all the stupid labels that people must belong to. According to him, each and every one of us has to display our colors on our sleeves, or else we're weenies. Liberal, Dims, democrappers, jihadist, self-loathing liberal, homosexual agenda, communist, socialist, etc. etc. etc.....

He says that the English are required to kiss the queens ass, fact is no one's done that since queen Victoria, but that doesn't matter, you have a queen, you have to kiss her ass....

However, he doesn't realize the irony that the only person here kissing his political leader's ass is himself. But that doesn't matter, cause he's right (pun intended) and everyone else is wrong.

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Howdy FLESH,

Hey man-at least I'm consistant..as for Bush..I don't approve of everything he does..but at least he understands-that we can only achieve Peace..through strength and spreading the flames of Freedom..already,it's resulted in a major change in the middle-east,women can now vote in Iraq and Afghanistan,and little girls and women,no longer have to fear the rape rooms of saddam and sons,anymore. Can't you at least acknowledge that much progress ?

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Well when I said this nation is the smartest I was obiously reffering to the people here, we have a good educational system..almost too good (its basically now a requirement to go to college if you want a decent job) Japan may be up there as well, but their all into the entertainment aspect of things, and focus very little on practical needs. Look at all the great things that have came out of this country, Cars, Internet, Electricity..etc.

When I say we're the best I'm not trying to put down other nations, rather expressing my love for the nation I love in..Maybe that makes me an ass.. but at least I'm not an ingreatful spoiled bitch.

Just because we can kick anyones ass, doesnt mean we should..yeah the vietnam war was hella lame.

Btw, Your all smarter then me anyways, you prolly watch CNN and all that shit, I could care less.. don't try and argue with me im 16.. and naive.

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Howdy keinmehrkreig,

Don't you worry..you have a good head on your shoulders..don't let the hatetriots git ya down..keep on believeing in America.

They may be more informed than you..but not as wise. You should check out these younguns http://hq.protestwarrior.com/index.php . If you find yourself surrounded by self-hating,cowardly,anti-American,hate-filled younguns at your school..these guys can help.

Here's one of there protest signs below..that talks of the contributions of western society.

Have a good one !

This thread is so frustrating. I was simply saying that it isn't healthy to be nationalistic. You'll never hear me going around saying that my country is better than any other country, because I don't believe it be so.. I also don't believe that any country is better than any other country.

"If your British,then it's easy to understand your confusion,as your country was founded on the superiority of the royal class, over that of the individual. Y'all are expected to git on bended knee,and kiss the Queen's royal behind. I realize that that the royalty,is mostly just a symbol,these days..still-the implication is clear-that royalty is superior to that of the commoner."

That is ridiculous. Yes, maybe that was what our country was founded on. Your country was founded on slavery. What's your point? Your country does not believe in slavery any more than my country believes in the sanctity or divinity of the royal family. To most of the country, the royal family is meaningless - they are simply nothing more than tradition. Maybe the royal family do believe themselves to be superior to everyone else, but I guarantee you that George Bush does, too.

The reason why you brought the royal family in to the conversation still eludes me. I was stating that I don't believe nationalism is right, and that people should not claim any country (or race, sexuality, colour or religion either) is better than any other country, because this kind of attitude breeds hate and conflict. Surely you can't disagree with that? And even if you disagree, what do the royal family have to do with anything?

While I will agree that pride is unhealthy, loving the land you were born and raised in should be natural if it is a free an open society. IMHO America is the most free and open society of the modern world.

All societies have their positives and negatives but obviously the American model is working. Just because you disagree with the personality of one individual doesn't meen you should turn your nose up at the whole enchilada, because it works.

Love it or leave it, people have been dying because they beleive in it for two hundred+ years to include today. The sacrifices of those individuals allows people to have the freedoms they enjoy today.

I don't agree with everything this particular government stands for (legalize pot), but I am not going to be a little bitch and criticise them every step of the way.

Howdy GhostToker,

You ponder:"The reason why you brought the royal family in to the conversation still eludes me. I was stating that I don't believe nationalism is right, and that people should not claim any country (or race, sexuality, colour or religion either) is better than any other country, because this kind of attitude breeds hate and conflict. Surely you can't disagree with that? And even if you disagree, what do the royal family have to do with anything?"

I brought royalty into the question,because if you believe that they are superior to you or if you git on bended knee,before them..then you are not suitable material for being an American. When you say that nationalism is wrong,it makes me think that you have no resolve to defend your country and fellow citizens,from those who desire to take away your freedom.

I apologize to all of those from the UK,no one likes being told,that they are kissing someone's behind,and I was wrong for saying that..I'll try and be more mindful in the future.

Have a good one...

I have to say i'm impressed with your sudden compassion and respect in argument Torog. I was offended by your royal family comment (the queen can kiss MY behind for all I care) but seeing as you apologised, it's all good mate! :)

Keep it up!

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Originally posted by keinmehrkreigLook at all the great things that have came out of this country, Cars, Internet, Electricity..etc.

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That is a beautiful, WONDERFUL point right there...
But then again America was among the last 'civilized' nations to abolish slavery, and even after that we passed the 'Black Codes' in 1865...which basically was the 'Slave Codes' with the word 'slave' replaced with 'freedman', this controled every part of ex-slaves lives.
All those great, brilliant minds we had and have working in America...well news flash many of them were/are foreigners. One of the most prestigious Institutes of Technolgy, well, it is located in India and after the students graduate most of them get jobs in America. American Engineers...nine of ten were trained in another country.
In 2004 the United States were ranked third of countries able to access and absorb information and information technology, Denmark number one and Sweden number two.
All this aside we must also note Germany during World War II especially made numerous advances in things from medicine to war. They were among the first to use computers (go IBM!), synthetic oil, better radar, methamphetamine, heroin and aspirin (Bayer pharms), a gun that could be shot around corners.
You say Americans invented cars? Germans invented the first practicle internal combustion engine, motorcycle. They also designed the first freely programmable computer.
For you to give America and america alone such credit is absurd, all technological advancements were the result of many nations, many minds of different countries and even more who helped to improve what those before them started.

Don't take too literal lol.