Israelis kill 1010 children in 8 years

Israelis kill 1010 children in 8 years
Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:36:25 GMT
Israeli forces have killed 1010 Palestinian kids during the last 8 years, a report by the Palestinian Liberation Organization says.

At least ,1010 children along with 340 women, 664 school students and 11 journalists were among 5526 Palestinians who were martyred by Israeli forces in the last 8 years, the Palestinian Liberation Organization's (PLO) Department of Arab International Relations said Monday.

Nearly 32,000 Palestinian citizens were also wounded by Israeli raids on the occupied territories. According to the report 7500 were disabled, 3,600 of whom were left with permanent disabilities.

Also, 247 Palestinian patients have died while waiting to cross the Gaza borders for further treatment abroad. Another 33,000 Palestinians suffered from tear gas inhalation.

The report also said that 8300 Palestinian houses were demolished by Israeli troops.

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Incredibly made-up bullshit, of course, but what's more interesting to me is: what's the motive here? Why is someone posting verifiably false information about Israel on this site, over and over again? Why is someone posting false stories about the number of children "Israel" <subtext>Jews</subtext> has supposedly killed, and not, say, Jordan or Lebanon or Lybia or Iran or... or... or...

People like me who think the state of Israel has the right to exist are always told we don't want to hear criticism about Israel. But that's not it. Please, criticize Israel -- it is a democracy, after all. But why do you ignore everyone else? What is the motive there?

Middle East politics are very complex. You can't trust news propaganda from the PLO. Most of the information they release is biased, at best.

im sorry but the only legitimate body to say how many deaths there were in the palistinian occupied territory are the Palestinian government


i for one believe this because how many raids they do on civillian territorys to kill 1 bad guy. you see it all the time

and yes there is israeli children and women deaths but israel is far worse a commiter of that that palastine ever has been


so if palistine/ is bias then where do you get news about palistine if its not from them or the middleeast. do you get it from israel?

and i do post stuff and get news from israeli hawkish right wing, debka file,
i get my news from both sides waht about you

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Originally Posted by texas grass

im sorry but the only legitimate body to say how many deaths there were in the palistinian occupied territory are the Palestinian government


i for one believe this because how many raids they do on civillian territorys to kill 1 bad guy. you see it all the time

and yes there is israeli children and women deaths but israel is far worse a commiter of that that palastine ever has been

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this is just like the Democrats using a Viet Cong prison guard to call John
McCain a liar. consider the source. the PLO is a known terrorist organization.

if palastine is terrorist and lie about their news then who has a legitament news in the middle east and about palastine


and im not a dem and im not voting for barrack or mccain

Any news reporting agency is subject to critisizm. They all lie either intentionally or because of propaganda fed to them from "unamed" sources. But like all countries I'm sure Israel has killed lots of civilians. Not as many as the US but I'm sure alot. That amount actually seems like its probably low. The US has killed over 100,000 man women and children in Iraq. So i guess statistacally 1000 does'nt mean much.

really? The U.S killed 100,000 Woman and Children in the last 8 years? I don't know if I can believe that but if you show me a credible source, I'll stfu. Anyway I don't see how its so hard to believe Isreal killed 1000 some odd children in the last 8 years. Thats a considerably low number and given the instability there, it would hardly surprise me if from time to time a child was shot. I really don't understand why there is so much support for Isreal though. The only good thing I could possibly say about that country is that they will become a very important ally to us in the coming future. Other than that the Isreali government and the Palestinian government are both pieces of shit.

Like I said in my prior post, there are no "reliable" sources but you can find all kinds of estimates like this one.
Iraq Body Count

Why is Israel picked out of all the countries in the world to have everything, aid, nukes? am I missing something?

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Why is Israel picked out of all the countries in the world to have everything, aid, nukes? am I missing something?

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Because people don't want to seem like they hate Jews anymore. I swear on my life that people support Israel for the simple fact that if they don't, people will call them an anti-semite. Personally I dont give a shit if people call me that. I don't hate Jews, straight up, but I don't like Israel one bit either. I don't feel that Israel has really done anything to deserve stealing land from native Arabs, with our support. Israel, the whoooooole area, especially Jerusalem, has really done nothing good for the world so far. God knows if they had just leveled that damn city a thousand years ago we would have saved the human race a hell of a lot of grief.

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if palastine is terrorist and lie about their news then who has a legitament news in the middle east and about palastine


and im not a dem and im not voting for barrack or mccain

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I don't think ANY of the major parties(Republicans, democrats, Libertarians, Independents, whatever) would want someone who spreads slander like this in their rankings. It would be horrible PR.

Your obvious bias against Israel and the fact your getting your info from sources that take the words from Palestine(a country that wants Israel completely off the map) seriously when it comes to such a situation as this it shows that this inofrmation you are posting seems to be askew. You have to look at both sides, the Israelis don't just air raid villages for the hell of it.

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Because people don't want to seem like they hate Jews anymore. I swear on my life that people support Israel for the simple fact that if they don't, people will call them an anti-semite. Personally I dont give a shit if people call me that. I don't hate Jews, straight up, but I don't like Israel one bit either. I don't feel that Israel has really done anything to deserve stealing land from native Arabs, with our support. Israel, the whoooooole area, especially Jerusalem, has really done nothing good for the world so far. God knows if they had just leveled that damn city a thousand years ago we would have saved the human race a hell of a lot of grief.

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Although I do not care for any religions, it's undeniable that the Jews have done a lot of good for the world, and they've been in the Middle East for a very long time. I don't happen to think that it's a very good idea to be surrounded by people that hate you, for religious reasons, but they've been through worse.

America, and much of Western Europe, feels that Israel is an ally in this region - and after the historic treatment that the Jews have had over the centuries, including the Holocaust and other genocide in places other than Israel, I can't blame them for taking advantage of the support and opportunities.

The big three monotheistic religions represent the greatest threat to the future of the human race, but radical Islam is by far the most dangerous at this point in history.

I believe that there would still be major problems with radical Islam, whether Israel was located in the Middle East or not.

It is almost impossible for any long-lasting peace to come about when believers in these faiths are at each other's throats, but Israel is far more rational, and inclined toward humanistic behavior, than the PLO and others like them.

i will say 1 more time

where do you get your so truthful news about the middle east, asia or south america, or anywhere else

you call me bias, but everyone but israel in the middle east lies, i give info about the middle east on both sides, and 1 of my major news sources is a israeli site. can you say that much? how am i bias if i take in all the news, and its getting alittle rediculous about all these republican leaning people always attacking news organizations if its not hard core right wing stuff. look in the mirror people

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everyone but israel in the middle east lies

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See, thats just your opinion. I dont think you can prove that any more than people can prove that all the info you get from the PLO is bullshit. I'm sure theres a nugget of truth in the PLO's website, and I'm sure Israel has done its share of lying, including trying to hide its nuclear arsenal.

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See, thats just your opinion. I dont think you can prove that any more than people can prove that all the info you get from the PLO is bullshit. I'm sure theres a nugget of truth in the PLO's website, and I'm sure Israel has done its share of lying, including trying to hide its nuclear arsenal.

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i think you missed the point of the whole post,
and in the post i was trying to say that israel was the only truthful ones(jokingly)

palastine has the most legitament news for palastine
israel has the most legitament news for israel
iran has the most legitament news for iran
so on and so on,

im getting called bias for listening to all sides
i try and read most news organizations throughout the world not just american fox cnn msnbc ect


yeah i might post alot about israel, but most all the news we get from american news is bias towards muslims, and people need to hear the other side of things

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I don't think ANY of the major parties(Republicans, democrats, Libertarians, Independents, whatever) would want someone who spreads slander like this in their rankings. It would be horrible PR.

Your obvious bias against Israel and the fact your getting your info from sources that take the words from Palestine(a country that wants Israel completely off the map) seriously when it comes to such a situation as this it shows that this inofrmation you are posting seems to be askew. You have to look at both sides, the Israelis don't just air raid villages for the hell of it.

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sadly that is no true slander. Israel is not the entity receiving bodies and injured, in fact they have security checkpoints that many times prevent ambulances from passing or delay them

our media will never report about the daily clashes there at all... there used to be daily and heavier missile firings by these so called terrorists into israel and i remember a few years back seeing reports of the daily killings (2nd intifaza)

State of israel was created by UN, so it should not hold anymore legitimacy as any other UN thing that we seem to hate so much when its not working for us...

Arabs got pissed at the fact that some world war totally irrelevant to them in europe and east asia was finished and UN was created by allies and this UN says that u know what... "WE" (perhaps europeans) want to reimburse jews for what they went thru... how about this they said to arabs:

"WE" give "THEM" "YOUR" land, after all it is "their ancestral land", jews are entitled to it...

so lets say we were not the super power we are and UN would show up and say u know what we give texas to mexico to reimburse them for whatever reason hypothetically speaking... it was their original land after all wasnt it? it was spanish territory at first too...

on this basis... Iran should now include more than 10 countries surrounding it, after all they were all part of the great persian empire 2000 years ago
in fact israel and palestine were babylon and jews were freed by Cyrus the Iranian king and im sure this is mentioned in their holy book as well

this whole thing was the wrong solution to a terrible problem. and a situation that was taken advantage of to the best of it by extremist jews who wanted to own a religious government and country of their own as they thought muslims have theirs, christians have theirs and other religions have their own respective religious countries or states.... why shouldnt we... and indeed they were brutally hurt during WW II and used just those sufferings as an excuse for such a plan

remember not all jews are zionists, nor all jews live in israel (when they sure can, israel in fact pays to have jews immigrate to israel and accommodates them in different ways to encourage more jews joining the country)

in fact there are people inside israel... israilis talking against their government for these civilian casualties...

we have taken their land... fine UN and world backed us... we fought a couple wars and mostly in defense, they sucked ass and lost bady to us, so we occupied their land... now we have had an illegal land grab by building settlements and inviting people to go live there on the occupied land

what would u think those arabs will do... they can only be more pissed than they were before!!!!

there are ISRAELI human rights groups who are exposing their government's actions

my problem is this: BOTH sides have done their nasty share of these crimes, however, one side never gets blamed at all... and when its blamed its reacted against just like this.

there is not even 1 binding UN resolution against Israel when indeed they messed up and foolishly killed civilians numerous times (GRAPHIC CONTENT: Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)...

at best they were only "condemned" for what they did... while UN sanctions nations and US attacks them preemptively for what has not even been nearly proven!!! (WMDs of Iraq and Nuclear Program of Iran)


so these people start fighting israel with any method possible... hatred spreads cuz israel fails to respect intl law and avoid giving these people more excuses by saying that it wont matter... they hate us and nothing will stop them from doing so... kinda like the same no-talk strategy that US does with enemies (global terrorists!!)

and guess what... we start getting the same hated after decades of unilateral support and vetoing every single piece of binding UN word against Israel

this is exactly why muslim world and arabs hate us... we have far supported their enemy blindly without even considering that they are all equal humans and capable of misjudgment and they have done it many times on both sides... but we only blame one side

its like an idiot republican who wants to blame all the mess bush left behind on clinton... sayin he didnt go after b laden, he signed laws regarding this financial mess.. etc
and an idiot democrat blaming ALL of this mess on Bush... while factually its way more than just 1 person's fault that we are in this mess... sure bush may or may not get the largest part of blame but that doesnt mean he is the only one to point towards when question is asked who is at fault

remember, after WW II down to the lowest levels of leadership in the Nazi army's were prosecuted and held accountable for their share of crimes although some may have had no authority or control whatsoever over massive killings... but they served the system that carried on those acts and indirectly helped with such actions... so as much as that, they are guilty

look at things factually, leave your emotions behind the door... things will work out much better if we were to hold moderate and factual stances...

First time for any1 looking at a large map of what is now israel and what is considered palestinian land will certainly tell u somethin aint right... u cant have a country in middle of another, dividing the other country into 2 pieces...

created by non-natives and accepted only by non-natives of that region as a country.... no arab neighbor of israel recognized it for a very long time and even now only 1 or 2 arab states have official relations with israel, the rest insist israel is in violation of intl law by occupying syrian land and there is an issue for them called COUNTRY OF PALESTINE, it does not exist... so i think israel has already done to them what they have been dreaming to do to israel... they are officially wiped off the map as palestine... there is no such country known as palestine... its pieces of dispersed land owned and controlled by different and not recognized entities, ghaza strip under Hamas control and the other part under PLO which is the supposed accepted representative of palestinians globally.

but u gotta know the history to truly understand wtf is up

here are a couple of useful links if u really want to know more about why this whole mid-east problem exists and continues to exist

Israel Wars Maps & History
List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Myths and Facts: Israel's Stance on a Palestinian State
Question of Palestine at the United Nations
Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quotes of jewish rabbis regarding zionism and state of sirael
Words of the Rabbis Opposing Zionism

Jews Not Zionists
jewish_anti-zionism - Jews Against Zionism

Check the pictures, these are not arabs, these are outright orthodox jews!!!!
Jews against Zionism

hell, even our own cia does not use the word palestine for "a country"
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/we.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/gz.html



so please refine your knowledge before jumping out saying this is "slander" and palestine is a country who wants to wipe israel off the map... palestine has already been wiped off the map by state of israel, period.

not that i support any such stupid ideas of wiping a country off the map, no, not at all.. but i tend to agree that zionism and extreme judaism are just as bad as extreme islam and jihadist terrorism...

they are just both on the verge falling down from the end of extremism scale... thats how extreme they are and sadly our country, government and media supports one extremism over the other one... this whole involvement of US is nonsense... jews were fine in amreica in WWII, we didnt hurt them in any way... so why are WE involved in this mess i have no clue... why is it not britain thats paying millions of dollars of direct cash help to israel... why is it us from our tax money who have to support this extremist movement over the other ones.... britain used to rule this vast area in mid-east.... they left and left a mess behind here as well as in kashmir... they ought to pay for this, not america or any other irrelevant country to the issue

world piece will be a reality once governments quit acting like children or bullies and people start getting the true facts... until then, we are all fed what we are allowed to feed on by our system...

im sure u can go ahead and find civilian casualties of both sides throughout the history and compare and think... i have no more words

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i think you missed the point of the whole post,
and in the post i was trying to say that israel was the only truthful ones(jokingly)

palastine has the most legitament news for palastine
israel has the most legitament news for israel
iran has the most legitament news for iran
so on and so on,

im getting called bias for listening to all sides
i try and read most news organizations throughout the world not just american fox cnn msnbc ect


yeah i might post alot about israel, but most all the news we get from american news is bias towards muslims, and people need to hear the other side of things

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My bad.

What would help a lot is just for Israel to get its settlers back in its borders. But things will never be calmed down over there till either the jews or the islamics are dead. Or until the public in those countries have had enough of this religious nonsense.

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What would help a lot is just for Israel to get its settlers back in its borders. But things will never be calmed down over there till either the jews or the islamics are dead. Or until the public in those countries have had enough of this religious nonsense.

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Fuckin' A man, lets just take all the fuckers out of there and make it a standard metropolitan city. People might hate it for the next 50 years, but when people realize how bullshit religion is in the future, they'll thank us for it. I'd level Jerusalem in a heart beat if I had the chance. It's basically a huge cancer cell on humanity.

[quote=Breukelen advocaat]Although I do not care for any religions, it's undeniable that the Jews have done a lot of good for the world, and they've been in the Middle East for a very long time. I don't happen to think that it's a very good idea to be surrounded by people that hate you, for religious reasons, but they've been through worse.

America, and much of Western Europe, feels that Israel is an ally in this region - and after the historic treatment that the Jews have had over the centuries, including the Holocaust and other genocide in places other than Israel, I can't blame them for taking advantage of the support and opportunities.


I agree...The surrounding 22 Arab countries are 640 times larger than our ally,Israel...Israel must have our support to defend itself from people whose favorite lines are "death to Israel","death to America",and "God is great"...
My father(RIP),believed in Israel's right to exist...He donated a Luger he brought back from WWII to Israel during their struggle to become or remain a state...He was from Breukelen also...
The Israeli's irrigated a sandy desert and turned it into paradise...

It is slander and bias because it is only one side of the story Flyingiman.

The author of this thread posts about Israel and how they "martyred" all of these Palestinians as if all of these Palestinians were just babes in the woods. What about all the Israelis who were "martyred" from suicide bombers and all that jazz from their Palestinian (and other) Arab neighbors?

Like I said in my first post, the Israelis don't just air raid villages for the hell of it.

America has, does and will continue to kill COUNTLESS people.

Religion has, does and will continue to condone killing, and continue to divide us.

Money has, does and ALWAYS will continue to be a driving force behind killing.

Consumerisim has, does and will continue to be the driving force of money.

Nationalisim has, does and will always set the stage for war.

Warfare will continue to kill us, driven by all of the above and more.
















so whats the point of reporting on killing?
Fundementally we are all just killing ourselves anyways right?















whats the point?

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It is slander and bias because it is only one side of the story Flyingiman.

The author of this thread posts about Israel and how they "martyred" all of these Palestinians as if all of these Palestinians were just babes in the woods. What about all the Israelis who were "martyred" from suicide bombers and all that jazz from their Palestinian (and other) Arab neighbors?

Like I said in my first post, the Israelis don't just air raid villages for the hell of it.

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i believe this is a misunderstanding.... to best of my knowledge the OP "copied" the text from a news source which i believe is biased towards Israel and its actions.

This is how most middle eastern press talk about the issue and martyrdom as u may have noticed already, holds a very special place in islamic world... now being taken advantage in brainwashings of these suicide bombers killing unarmed civilians... u may see, the trend is not just against jews or israelis, in iraq, they "martyr" themselves to kill innocent iraqis just so they have caused chaos for whatever reason that may serve those people ordering these bombings on top's interest.

That is why I always like to see articles with sources so they can weighed fairly...


The fact that both sides have had senseless casualties is not acceptable to me. It's not about martyrdom, but i betcha its hard for any westerner to find unbiased news articles regarding israel vs. palestine from their source who wont use the words like "martyrs"

This is where my problem is with public view on this issue...

NO ONE EVER GOES BACK TO THE ROOT CAUSES, THEY JUST DONT!
why does this whole issue is an issue in the first place and truly in the first place not by just viewing the history from the point where UN was formed... thats not the beginning of history!

i bet a lot of people supporting Israel dont even know the true factual history of creation of state of Israel and thus just view all those opposing israel in any way as anti-Semites

really, why don't we ever hear about how many civilians die in a missile attack that was aimed to kill 1 suspected militant, the same way we hear about 1 mad man running a bulldozer in streets of some israeli city to kill civilians

u see, bias exists all over the place... its just pointed towards different directions... so i really dont mind and dont care for that matter for the rhetoric of the articles in a serious way... sure i may get offended by some or have my own feelings, but as long as the game is played this way with everyone propagandizing their own bias and agendas, i see it as fair game

we (or Israelis or NATO in Afghanistan) kill 1 or 2 militants along with buncha unavoidable civilian deaths and we say "US military or IDF killed 8 jihadists or insurgents or suspects"

i would not be surprised if in the same manner we or israelis are all called infidels and the Arab/Muslim side casualties are all called martyrs by the non-western media... its just media & propaganda wars serving different audiences... similar to what we see in liberal & conservative news about candidates here... some just say BS crap about their hated candidate and some keep using certain words and keep repeating them to reinforce their subliminal messaging... still we hear that Obama is a Muslim which only speaks to how limited some people's news sources are

refuting the sources of information one doesn't like, will only play against one's very own intellect and analytical power. then "others" will make the decision for them by feeding them one way propaganda as "news" or "information" while it is all selected and sometimes even fake info

we just never hear the opposite side around here so we get surprised when we see such articles... while our foxnews and cnns and abcs are broadcasting in all 5 continents

anyways, I would like to see the source of this article while i already guess its from Iran's english only state news agency called presstv judging by the rhetoric... or it could be other middle eastern networks

none of this biased rhetoric will change the facts that children and civilians are dying on both sides and most of the time Palestinians are sympathized with by non-American media than Israelis due to the definitely more advanced & protected situation of Israelis

dont doubt that killing "an Israeli" for any1 from outside this state is way way harder than killing 100 Palestinians by Israel from 500 miles away, and thats a contributing reason to why Palestinian casualties are sympathized with in such a rhetoric because they are literally defenseless whether at personal, local or greater levels

I do not condone any of these civilian killings as they are done out of desperation and revenge and rage on both sides. regardless of what u call them, terrorists or martyrs depending on your agenda... a lot of these people who die are just civilians... both sides' extremists view all of their opposite side people as enemies of god and humanity and terrorists that must be killed

which only highlights why more people to the middle are needed in politics of both sides and including supporters of them (Like US & Iran)

mediation can do wonders if done in a proper way, but i see that many people just tend to stick with one extreme or another to associate themselves with a "side"