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Well, where was it? He's not an American if he doesn't wear that pin, didn't you pay attention a few months ago?!?! HE HATES HIS COUNTRY AND REFUSES TO WEAR IT BECAUSE HE HATES US. But wait, maybe his 5,000 dollar costing makeup artist decided it clashed with his 400 dollar straight-from-italy shoes.
Keep smokin'! :jointsmile:
there is a big difference:
mccain never had a policy not to wear the flag pin....obama did:
ABC News: Obama Dropped Flag Pin in War Statement
In case I'm being interpreted as calling McCain out or something, I'm really just making fun of the fact that it's really, really, really retarded to think that a stupid little pin is actually an issue of patriotism in a campaign that is as serious as a freaking heart attack (which if McCain has, BTW, would put a seriously un-ready VP into the main slot of power in America :cursing: ) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
I cant believe theres a thread about this.....
McCain and Palin are secretly Islamic terrorists. They hate this country. They are going to make this a religious state by declaring marshall law the day after inauguration . RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!
"If one of the biggest concerns this election for you is whether or not Obama wears a tiny flag on his chest, then maybe you need to take a look at the bigger picture."
- i admired obama's principled stand against the patriotic puffery and jingoism behind the flag waving for war
"It doesn't matter if Obama wears a little flag on his chest"
- it mattered to obama because he abandoned his principles and put the pin back on...little sell outs like that make him look weak...selling out his pastor...selling out his plan to end the cuba embargo...selling out the decriminalization of marijuana...the repubs know they can push him around...i think mccain in the white house would be a disaster for the world, but it would also be a disappointment to have another 'bill clinton' who caves into republicans and corporate interests...obama sure seems like the best thing going, but he's just one guy who can't even stick to a pin decision
stick...pin...see what i did there?
sure it's a sell out...there was a principle behind not wearing the pin (true patriotism), and when the rightwingnuts accused him of being anti-american (false patriotism), obama opted for the false patriotism...it's the same tactic used to bully people into supporting the same war he refused to wear the pin for
it makes me wonder what he going to do when he's accused of being a socialist for ensuring everyone has access to health care, or when he's accused of being a soft-on-crime drugpusher to kids for legalizing medical marijuana...dem dum dems have been letting us down
DISCLAIMER: obama can't do whatever his principles dictate because he fears the consequences of his principles
I'm sorry but u dont seem to live in the practical world.Quote:
Originally Posted by maladroit
Obama needs to win the nation, not the liberal leaning crowd only. they are already supporting him and have no other choice but to avoid vote which will in either case work against their ideas.
UNDECIDED voters are at stake.
and without flexibility to shut up critics (no matter how stupid the criticism, its shown that it so works on a lot of americans) in the eyes of dumb crowd who believe what they see and hear without even analyzing it, he aint gonna get the votes he needs.
Yes, this is politics and its a game and u sure do have to play the game or u will be a nobody in politics.
u cant risk and u cant let small things drag u down. look @ mccain, even he has had to change some of his words and policies. so imo this is the nature of this process especially when stakes are high like now. expect more flip flops to show up and far more serious ones from both sides.
i doubt it. its not a provable claim. its just your opinion.Quote:
DISCLAIMER: obama can't do whatever his principles dictate because he fears the consequences of his principles
and in real world its called compromise. u put a flag pin up, just so u avoid negative comments thrown @ ya. it wont hurt wearing the pin and no1 has defined it in any way and its not a principle issue... idk why such small things are made into big deals.... its the anti-obama crowd who start these things and now that they are over it u start it off again...
this whole thing is just pointless
Through my research I've only found one thing disturbing about him. And thats who paid for all his college? It appears a Saudi rich man paid for it but its still unclear. He's supposed to be islamic. Which isn't that big of deal. He had connections with Khalid Al-Mansour.
Newsmax.com â?? Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age
Don't know that it really means anything but there were definitely people behind Obama that led to him being a fast riser.
Percy Sutton, who revealed information about Obama on NY1 TV cable news, is a name very familiar to anybody who lived in New York City during the 1960's through 1980's. He was elected Manhattan Borough President in 1965, ran for nomination of mayoral candidate of NYC, legally represented Malcolm X, owned NYC radio station WLIB, produced Showtime at the Apollo, and was a significant force in Harlem politics for many years. He is a very reliable source in this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug[/youtube]
"idk why such small things are made into big deals....its the anti-obama crowd who start these things and now that they are over it u start it off again... "
- i didn't start this thread...it was started by one of the pro-obama crowd...why don't you ask him why he started this up again to make small things into big deals?
:S2::S2::S2:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
IDK about this, but it's intresting. What about that dirt bag from Iran meeting with the "leader" of code pink, whom is a top bundler for the Obama campaign. THis is what I heard, I haven't confirmed it with my own two eyes, nor done any research, just heard it on the radio. Anyone have any more info on that? Did it really happen? Is this a rumor? If I could spell that fuckers name all kush'd out, then I would do a google search, but....:stoned::S5::S5::S5::smokebong::smokebong:: smokebong:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Couple that stuff with that Kadafi charecter threatening to NOT give him his full support! How fucking funny is that! He gave some speech recently claiming that Obama IS REALLY a muslim.:S2::S2::S2:
I am not making this up I promise, nor am I saying he is correct, it's just funny as hell!
Oh, and then Biden too!
Code Pink Lady
Biden
Wright
Ayers
Kadafi
All the people that are going to hurt him the most are his biggest supporters just because they can't shut the fuck up! Even if the mainstream media ignores it, people will know anyway! It's kinda sad, but not really since I don't want to live in a...um..more socialist state I guess.:mad:
FUCK!:mad::gunfighter2::gunfighter2::chainsaw::cha insaw:
Holy shit this is crazy haha.
A flag pin shouldn't matter regardless of the candidate. We should be caring about shit that matters like, I dunno, actual conversations of political importance.
This thread is so biased from both sides and way off the real point.
But looking at it from a "political bullshit" stand point I could see that since McCain is seen as very pro-American and Obama has had some trouble getting the White 18-60 Middle America crowd (for all sorts of ridiculous reasons besides his actual politics). Whatever thats fine.
These Middle America people are looking for any reason to make hun look bad to begin with so when they notice he's not wearing a pin they leap on his ass about it. They think the pin reflects his patriotism and by not wearing it proves to them that he in fact, doesn't love America like they do.
The people who actually believe this are stupid. These are the same people who watch the news and take it face as. They read urban legends from strangers online and believe them as fact (hey did you know you only use 5% of your brain or about the rapists in the backseats of your car, these gems) and they are the same people who flip the switch all Democrat or Republican because "gosh, my family is Democrat/Republican and thats how they raised me".
The point is is that this whole thread is pointless. It's a non-issue.
mccain wasn't trying to make a point by not wearing a flag pin...obama tried to make a political point by not wearing one, and then tried to make another political point by wearing one, and scored two points for mccain in the process
mccain is going to lose on big points, not little flag points...he's on an anger campaign now, pandering to the voters that his campaign advisor (phil gramm) recently dismissed as whiners...i think obama and the dems in general need to cowboy up and stand firm...they should stop letting the repubs push them around with petty accusations about sexism, lacking patriotism, not supporting the troops and being a secret muslim that teaches five year olds how to have anal sex with a homosexual
looks like obama got a little bump from the debate:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama
And this thread is still alive. If it makes it to two pages I'll just be a sad panda.
Wear the pin, don't wear the pin, just run the country for the benefit of the people!
Ha ha!
I think the original poster's point was that the whole lapel pin "controversy" is a load of bullshit and always was. It's totally meaningless, and yet McCain supporters had made a HUGE deal over the fact the Obama did not always wear one. (Fact is sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't, but when he doesn't, it is not meant as a statement).
The fact that McCain didn't wear one at the debate is meaningless too, except for the fact that he and his supporters had made such a big deal in the past about Obama not wearing his all the time.
The point in bringing it up is not about whether McCain's patriotism is really in question because he didn't wear his pin --- of course not --- it's about the irony of him showing up without it, and the hypocrisy of the whole meaningless controversy that McCain supporters raised in the first place.
Ha ha! I think it is hillarious that he didn't have the pin on, because his own BS has now bit him in the ass.
I bet you he somehow just forgot to put it on, and as soon as he walked out on stage, there were probably about a dozen of his staffers running around in a panic backstage "Oh my God! HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS PIN!!!!!" They were probably trying to figure out if they could somehow sneak it out to him! Maybe toss it to him while Obama was talking! They would probably be less mortified if he was standing on stage with his dick hanging out his fly!!!!
And the other hillarious thing is that there are probably a segment of true dumbasses out there who were supporting him before who will take the pin screwup seriously and ACTUALLY NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I love seeing the self-righteous burned with their own hypocrisy!
Ha, this is starting to sound like an episode of Seinfeld :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
That 5% stuff is crap.
But people believe it.
Its hard to believe that anyone would actually believe that we only use a portion of our brain. Anyone who has ever taken a biology or psych course would know that.