Osama's Fannie and Freddie contributions..

NEW YORK â?? Campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made to Barack Obama may backfire if the Democratic presidential hopeful wages an aggressive campaign to cast blame on rival John McCain and the Republicans in Congress for the mortgage-related losses that forced the U.S. Treasury to take over the quasi-governmental mortgage giants.

A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee. Dodd was first elected to the Senate in 1980.

According to OpenSecrets.com, from 1989 to 2008, Dodd received $165,400 in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, including contributions from PACs and individuals, followed by Obama, who received $126,349 in such contributions since being elected to the Senate in 2004.

In contrast, McCain warned of the coming mortgage crisis as he pressed in 2005 for regulatory reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac â?? known as government-sponsored entities or GSEs â?? and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market," McCain said on the floor of the Senate in 2005, speaking in favor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

McCain pointed out Fannie Mae's regulator had stated the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

The bill passed the House but was never brought up for a vote in the Senate, largely because of Democratic opposition to change in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulatory structure that remained in place until the Treasury takeover two weeks ago.

As evidenced by the failure to pass the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, the Democrats in Congress have repeatedly fought back Republican Party efforts to reform the two mortgage banking giants.

[B]Instead, Democrats in Congress have sought to preserve the quasi-governmental status of the mortgage giants, seeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as places to locate former top Democratic Party operatives, where they have earned millions in compensation, despite a continuing series of financial scandals. Enron-like accounting manipulation, for example, boosted earnings to a level at which massive executive bonuses could be paid.

In the aftermath of the U.S. government takeover, attention has focused on three Democrats with close ties to Obama who served as Fannie Mae executives: Franklin Raines, former Clinton administration budget director; James Johnson, former aide to Democratic Vice President Walter Mondale; and Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton administration deputy attorney general.

All three Obama-related executives earned millions in compensation from Fannie Mae.
Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

All three have been involved in mortgage-related financial scandals...

In 1998, according to the Washington Post, Gorelick, as Fannie Mae vice chairman, received a bonus of $779,625, despite a scandal in which employees falsified signatures on accounting transactions to manipulate books to meet 1998 earning targets. The moves, in turn, triggered multi-million-dollar bonuses for top executives.

Gorelick was embroiled in another controversy over an alleged conflict of interest when a 1995 memo she authored as deputy attorney general surfaced while she was a member of the 9/11 commission.

The memo, which became known as the "Gorelick Wall," appeared to establish barriers that barred federal anti-terrorist criminal investigators from accessing various federal records and databases that may have assisted them in their criminal investigations.

According to the Associated Press, Raines and several other Fannie Mae top executives were ordered in a civil lawsuit to pay nearly $31.4 million for manipulating Fannie Mae earnings over a period of six years to trigger their massive bonuses.

Raines was also forced in the settlement to give up Fannie Mae stock options valued at $15.6 million.

Last year, the Securities and Exchange Commission alleged Freddie Mac had engaged in accounting fraud from 2000 to 2002, imposing a $50 million fine on the company and on four executives fines for amounts ranging from $65,000 to $250,000.

Raines currently advises Obama on housing policy.

Johnson was appointed to head Obama's vice presidential selection committee, until a controversy concerning an alleged $7 millions in questionable real estate loans he received on favorable terms from failed sub-prime mortgage lender Countrywide Financial surfaced and forced him to step down.

WND previously reported a panel chaired by Elena Kagan, dean and professor of law at Harvard Law School, speculated at the June two-day meeting of the American Constitution Society that Gorelick was a possible attorney general cabinet appointment if Obama should be elected president.

The decision by the U.S. Treasury to take over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae could end up costing the U.S. taxpayer as much as $100 billion, although the extent of losses at the two giant mortgage companies remains to be determined.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Freddie and Fannie own or guarantee about $5.2 trillion worth of mortgages.

The riskiest loans held by Freddie and Fannie are known as "Alt-A" and sub-prime mortgages, worth about $780 billion, or about 15 percent of the total portfolio.

The federal government takeover of Freddie and Fannie passes to U.S. taxpayers the contingent liability for failures in the entire $5.2 trillion loan portfolio held by the two mortgage giants.

Over the past four quarters, Freddie and Fannie have suffered losses of about $14 billion, as the mortgage market has been hit by a wave of defaults and foreclosures not seen in the U.S. since the 1930s.
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac execs now offering advice to Obama

So tell me again how much of an "agent of change" this lying asshole, B. Hussein Obama is. He hs an ongoing problem with choosing those to surround himself with. Scum attracts scum, I guess.

Obama?

I find this falling under category of insults. Its Obama u illiterate hater!

make fun, joke around with names, but Osama is not one of those names and im damn sure this aint a typo, i have seen a few idiots use this term around here which speaks to their rationales and worldviews

and btw it wont hurt if u could provide other reliable and less unbiased sources for the info u r spreadin around other than WND which is extremely conservative even more than FOXnews.

there have been numerous controversial publications associated with this source, check around b4 u so firmly back your lame claims up by the most conservative news site online!
WorldNetDaily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


what u r claiming to be the truth here, is merely being discussed in more reliable media outlets as a question that has not yet received a confirmed answer

perhaps this tells a better story
Obama's Fannie Mae 'Connection' - Fact Checker

Over n Out!:thumbsup:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Stalin :rasta: See... everyone can do it. HOOOOOORAYYY for intolerance, prejudice, and pointless discrimination :hippy:

HIP HIP.... HOOOOORAYYYY :hippy:

didnt let me edit, gosh!



oh and also since when we use abbreviation for 1st name while focusing on middle name of some1... u see your weakness? thats weak!

thats a radio talk show host's mindset. come up with your own

exploiting something some1 has literally no control over until he wants to change his name which sounds stupid cuz no1 must have to change his name cuz other idiots have distorted perceptions and racist or extremely hateful mindsets.

does it kill u even if he was a muslim (which he obviously is not)?
that is also very disrespectful and only highlights the hatred for muslims around here despite what is being "said" in words that they live in peace as americans here and are decent citizens, it only underlines the hidden prejudice and hatred by certain type of people

No respect will ever be shown from me with regards to barack hussein obama. Anyone that calls John McCain dishonorable, is worthy of no respect.

Not to mention "the Big O's" spotty voting record, his facist re-writing of american and civil history, his attempts to cover-up his own past (and present) indiscressions, his black reparationist affiliations, his terrorist buddies, his shady finance mentors. Just dying to hear who he'd fill his cabinet with.

So funny that y'all have problems with my little pet names for Osama...yet the bulk of the "media" bashes the republican nominees with lies, slander, misquotes, mis-stated records, and analy abusive declarations (of someone they have never met) and y'all eat it up without exception..." And all that talk of John not being an 'agent of change'...hillarious.

But hey...don't bother to look too close to the issues...it's a complicated subject, that requires one to think for themselves. (and obviously irrelevant) Were I being spoon-fed bullshit, I'd be pretty fucking pissed finding out the truth. Time will tell, tho.

Fucking double standards. :jointsmile:

(anyone care to comment on the OP, tho?)

Rusty loves calling Obama "Osama," but you see how it works against him. He goes through the trouble to start a thread about a legitimate topic, but by starting off with this infantile name calling, he makes it so no one even bothers to give his issue any credibility. He's never understood how immature it makes him look. Why bother to read anything by someone who can't get past the first-grade name calling?

Everyone needs to STFU..

Are you in bed with Obama. How are YOU insulted. Yes it is a cheap shot at Obama.. Yes I think it is stupid.. yes I think that it is tactless..


but honestly stop getting your damn panties in a wad. People have been talking crap about McCain forever.. as they have been doing so about Obama.

I don't particularly agree with Rusty's jokingly changing Obama's name to say Osama but I don't find it insulting. Were you insulted when John Oliver on the Daily Show did the exact same thing at the DNC... chanting "Osama.. Osama.. Osama". I bet you didn't.

So everyone have a nice cup of STFU... all things aside the article is very informative. Let's focus on that instead.

agreed, i stopped at the first line. I'll get my news from a more reliably adult source...:thumbsup:

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Rusty loves calling Obama "Osama," but you see how it works against him. He goes through the trouble to start a thread about a legitimate topic, but by starting off with this infantile name calling, he makes it so no one even bothers to give his issue any credibility. He's never understood how immature it makes him look. Why bother to read anything by someone who can't get past the first-grade name calling?

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To be fair.. I think it worked for him.

If Rusty was looking to get a rise out of people who support Obama it seems to have worked. Everyone is falling over each other to defend their champions honor.

To be honest I find that equally stupid as I do the name calling.

Both sides GET OVER IT! You are not having his baby... and on the flip side He cannot control what his first, middle or last name that was given to him.

I think nobody is commenting on the story... regardless of beliefs... because most people are sick to death of arguing about every story as soon as it comes out of the Spin Cycle. All this he said, she said shit is rediculous.

So, one or two calls were made... by someone supporting the Obama campaign... to ask about general economic questions? Wow... I can see the devil horns poking out right now. :jointsmile:

How about G.H.W.Bush meeting with Shafiq bin Laden on 9/10? Or how about the famous video of Rumsfeld shaking hands with fucking SADAAM. You know... the "Hussein," that actually did all sorts of horrific and sadistic shit to hundreds of thousands of people.

Politicians, the world over, will have connections to some unsavory characters. I guess my point being... we always pretend like we care that our leaders deal with some fucked up assholes on a daily basis. In reality... we just argue about how awful it is until some new connection is made with some OTHER politician.... and move on.

If it REALLY mattered who people in government know... talk to... have "friendly" relationships (which is political talk for, "I don't want to alienate voters by saying I hate that guy) then we would still be constantly questioning the ties people in our CURRENT leadership have with the Middle East.

But we DON'T...... :wtf:

Edit: Again... I always have to say that I don't know who I'm voting for. It is easy to claim that someone questioning a story about Obama, it means they are worshipping him or want to have his baby or something like that :wtf: It's just getting exhausting with the finger pointing. It seems like everybody is just searching for that skeleton in the closet that will blow the election wide open.

- if that's how they do things... I can NEVER run for President. Hahaha

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If it REALLY mattered who people in government know... talk to... have "friendly" relationships (which is political talk for, "I don't want to alienate voters by saying I hate that guy) then we would still be constantly questioning the ties people in our CURRENT leadership have with the Middle East.

But we DON'T...... :wtf:

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I don't.. I've understood some of the things the bush administration has done, but most things I have refused to give them a free pass on. I think all things considered they did what they felt was right, but exploited the hell out of the situation.

I do advocate staying in Iraq, simply because I feel if we don't then we would've wasted fuck tons of money, lives, and resources for nothing... but it does not mean that I agree with the reasons which we went over.

Bush get's no free pass from me but I don't think he's the devil.

Same way I don't think Obama is the devil even though I don't particularly care for his politics. :hippy:

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To be fair.. I think it worked for him.

If Rusty was looking to get a rise out of people who support Obama it seems to have worked. Everyone is falling over each other to defend their champions honor.

To be honest I find that equally stupid as I do the name calling.

Both sides GET OVER IT! You are not having his baby... and on the flip side He cannot control what his first, middle or last name that was given to him.

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If his goal was to troll a reaction, then it worked. You are probalby right --- it was a troll. But if he wanted people to comment on his post, then it didn't work. We've got a dozen posts and none on the topic. It's a valid topic, but I don't feel any compelling reason to dignify this thread with a real response.

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I think nobody is commenting on the story... regardless of beliefs... because most people are sick to death of arguing about every story as soon as it comes out of the Spin Cycle. All this he said, she said shit is rediculous.

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Gee...where do we go to talk politics, then?
But seriously...I can see where attempting to defend a contemptuous campaign gets old after a while. :thumbsup:

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So, one or two calls were made... by someone supporting the Obama campaign... to ask about general economic questions?

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So you consider "close Ties" to the obama campaign, a couple of phone calls by 'surrogates'? Even using that, the folks called are the ones responsible for taking lending past the point of legality, while gaining multi-million dollar "golden parachutes".
Again...obama's associations are sinking his ship. I wonder if Rezco knew Franklin Raines, James Johnson, and Jamie Gorelick, too? (all googlable) All involved with regulation and legislation (and it's inherant subtrufuge) of the banking/lending institutions that just needed nearly a trillion dollars of "loans" and bail-outs from us taxpayers.

Regarding the "childish" name calling...You ought to read some of the immature bullshit I read in here all day, being passed-on as fact. I'm just joining in the fun. ;)

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If his goal was to troll a reaction, then it worked. You are probalby right --- it was a troll. But if he wanted people to comment on his post, then it didn't work. We've got a dozen posts and none on the topic. It's a valid topic, but I don't feel any compelling reason to dignify this thread with a real response.

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Then you are also not dignifying yourself. People jumping and reaching to defend a person's name is just ridiculous. This isn't elementary school.

You just fed fuel to the fire by playing into his hand.

This post of yours doesn't justify you or him or anyone else in this thread that got pissy over things that don't even matter. I honestly did not expect you to even respond to my post as a means to psuedo defend yourself/slam him. You are usually better than that.

The reason no one is commenting on this thread is because you and others are too hung up on the fact that he said "Osama".

Like I said earlier, get over it. The only people who are stopping this thread from moving forward and talk about a topic that probably deserves being discussed are you (I am using 'you' here as a general you.. not specifically you).

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You just fed fuel to the fire by playing into his hand.

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Yes, I am going to stop fanning the flames and leave this thread to YOU (the general you, not the specific you) and the troll (the specific troll) to discuss the issue (whichever issue you want, name-calling, AIG bailout, whatever).

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John McCain is nearly 100% carbon copy of *hitler*cough* excuse me, George BushEither!

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NOBODY from the left wing in here made any statement regarding this but has the notion that a name change for Obama is a sin? GET REAL!!!

IF you people want, I'll moderate this place in a fashion where changing names or making rediculous comments about political figures is prohibited. My e-mail is in my signature and the poll is now open. UNTIL I have feedback on this issue, live with it.

Also keep in mind that in the same manner that the above post had "freedom of speech", so does everyone else in here and personal attacks on a member for exercising this IS against the guidelines!!!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Everyone needs to STFU..

Are you in bed with Obama. How are YOU insulted. Yes it is a cheap shot at Obama.. Yes I think it is stupid.. yes I think that it is tactless..


but honestly stop getting your damn panties in a wad. People have been talking crap about McCain forever.. as they have been doing so about Obama.

I don't particularly agree with Rusty's jokingly changing Obama's name to say Osama but I don't find it insulting. Were you insulted when John Oliver on the Daily Show did the exact same thing at the DNC... chanting "Osama.. Osama.. Osama". I bet you didn't.

So everyone have a nice cup of STFU... all things aside the article is very informative. Let's focus on that instead.

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Hahaha...

Anyway, about the issue at hand. Obama was ranked second for taking money from all these corrupt companies. McCain was very, very low on the list.

However really I feel that the government should have never bailed ANY of these companies out. And these greedy CEO's should be hanged. All of these greedy politicians in Washington are to blame. And whats worse is that it's EVERY freaking side. Not just left or right, BOTH. And now they are all scrambling to pull it together.

Also, I am sick and tired of the media calling this a crisis and the next depression, it isn't even a freaking recession yet! This speculation is whats going to hurt us all the most.

It's not just the U.S. either, it's hitting the whole world. Neither Obama or McCain is going to fix this bullshit. All they will do is slap a band-aid over this and hope it holds until 4-8 years. What they are doing now is making it seems like they have the answers and that they will be the ones to make a stand and fix Washington, well guess what? That is some major bullshit. It's all a big show, they will do and say anything and make "plans" that will do nothing.

We need to demand smaller government and demand that the government NOT use our hard earned dollars to fix a problem THEY freaking started.


(Oh and when I read Daihashi's post I thought of this pic)

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Hahaha...

Anyway, about the issue at hand. Obama was ranked second for taking money from all these corrupt companies. McCain was very, very low on the list.

However really I feel that the government should have never bailed ANY of these companies out. And these greedy CEO's should be hanged. All of these greedy politicians in Washington are to blame. And whats worse is that it's EVERY freaking side. Not just left or right, BOTH. And now they are all scrambling to pull it together.

Also, I am sick and tired of the media calling this a crisis and the next depression, it isn't even a freaking recession yet! This speculation is whats going to hurt us all the most.

It's not just the U.S. either, it's hitting the whole world. Neither Obama or McCain is going to fix this bullshit. All they will do is slap a band-aid over this and hope it holds until 4-8 years. What they are doing now is making it seems like they have the answers and that they will be the ones to make a stand and fix Washington, well guess what? That is some major bullshit. It's all a big show, they will do and say anything and make "plans" that will do nothing.

We need to demand smaller government and demand that the government NOT use our hard earned dollars to fix a problem THEY freaking started.


(Oh and when I read Daihashi's post I thought of this pic)

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Couldn't have agreed more; however I do see the need for these companies to get bailed out. If their business was not so intertwined with the rest of the economy I would say let them drown. We need to start working towards downsizing our government and put back what the government was meant to do..... GOVERN.. not manage private entities.

This is a fairly sensitive issue because honestly you can't make a move one way or the other without having to get your hands dirty.



PS: I was thinking of that same image when I typed that up :hippy:

That is a very valid point. These company's tentacles stretch out world wide but either way people are going to get fucked.

So now the question is, how would you like to take it? I prefer doggystyle haha.

Ah, sweet, sweet American politics. When there's nothing on the TV, the politics forum makes for some great reads.

Please boys and girls, don't feed the trolls. It just makes them more hungry for despair.

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I prefer doggystyle haha.

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I'll keep that in mind!! lol j/k...

tell your boyfriend to not beat me up please.. lol :hippy:


but yes.. corporations like AIG, Freddie and Fannie are blissing our anuses daily. I for one don't like my anus being blissed :stoned:

Thank god that in these hard economic times we have Mr.Greenspan to clear things up for us. ;)

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Thank god that in these hard economic times we have Mr.Greenspan to clear things up for us. ;)

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Quick Mr. Greenspan, the recession is almost up on us! Use your l337 skills!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...hadouken-1.png

Curses....I cant figure out this picture-posting shenanigans....

HAHAHAHAHAH god DaBudha, you crack me up

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HAHAHAHAHAH god DaBudha, you crack me up

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Lol well I certainly try.

DOWN, DOWN-RIGHT, RIGHT, A

HADOUUUUKENNNNNNN!!!!!!!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B0Fjnl2RpE&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

EDIT: Wow, took waaaaaay too long to find a real hadouken.

I've always been a fan of this more though.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw[/YOUTUBE]

Has this been posted sumwhere already? John McCain :thumbsup:

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis paid several hundred thousand dollars to lobby for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac against federal regulation

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis paid several hundred thousand dollars to lobby for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac against federal regulation
To The Editor:

Yesterday, Senator John McCain released a television commercial attacking Barack Obama for allegedly receiving advice on the economy from former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines. From the stump, he has recently tried tying Senator Obama to Fannie Mae, as if there is some guilt in the association with Fannie Mae's former executives.

It is an interesting card for Senator McCain to play, given that his campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac several hundred thousand dollars early in this decade to head up an organization to lobby in their behalf called The Homeownership Alliance. ...

I worked in government relations for Fannie Mae for more than 20 years, leading the group for most of those years. When I see photographs of Sen. McCain's staff, it looks to me like the team of lobbyists who used to report to me. Senator McCain's attack on Senator Obama is a cheap shot, and hypocritical.

Sincerely,

William Maloni
Fannie Mae Senior Vice President for Government and Industry Relations (1983-2004)

Too funny. One financial genius sticking it to another. Sooo unexpected, considdering Maloni (the letters's author) has contributed quite handsomely to the entire democratic party over the years. What would you expect?

However, the above post compares apples with oranges. Coming at an issue from two different directions, for two entirely different motives. One was for improving financial conditions for home buyers, one was for fucking the american homeowner.

McCain was in the belief that less regulation is good for competition and thusly capitalism. Lobbyists are folks that go around the capitol, and pound various government officials into agreeing as to why the lobbyists ideas are valid, and that whatever legislation the lobbyist are paid to advance, are successful. McCain would have been right, if not for shady deals and back-room agreements between the financial CEO's.

But, the lending institutions CEO's hire lobbyists to push legislation making it possible to cook their books, under-report gains (that go into the CEO's pockets) and manipulate among other things...the housing prices and the stock market. (which are both credit-based industries)

Are you really saying that since McCain is using a lobbyist, that this trumps obamas 'change' politics?
obama's the good guy for cozying-up to the failed finance industry's three blind mice? Going to have to do better than that, or would you just prefer to do as Franklin Delano Raines did before congress...and plead the fifth...? (still his right, but it was our money he was pleading the fifth on)

Aside from my thinking that this thread is a huge load of waffle I just can't believe there are republican potheads! Whoddathunkit?

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Aside from my thinking that this thread is a huge load of waffle I just can't believe there are republican potheads! Whoddathunkit?

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I've pondered that myself a few times.

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I've pondered that myself a few times.

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I think the problem comes is that people compare people who believe in the republican philosophy to the republicans you see in power today. They have strayed very far from what they once stood for; here is an outline of the republican philosophy:

The Republican Philosophy


We believe .......

• THAT the right of the individual to achieve the best that is within him, as long as he respects the rights of others, is the source of our Nation's strength.
  
• THAT government exists to protect the freedom of opportunity in which each individual's creative ability can flourish.
  
• THAT the government activities should be limited to those things which people cannot do at all, or cannot do so well for themselves.
  
• THAT the most effective government is government closest to the people.
  
• THAT those who cannot provide for themselves should be assisted by both government and society, but that every effort should be made to help them become self-supporting, productive citizens with pride in the independence.
  
• THAT equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity belong to all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin.
  
• THAT the preservation of our Nation and the security of our citizens depend upon the Constitution, the laws, and the courts, and that respect for them is the responsibility of every individual.
  
• THAT government is accountable for maintaining sound money and a responsible economy. Individual rights, liberties and properties are continually eroded when citizens are oppressed by excessive taxation, inflation, government waste and over-regulation.
  
• THAT government is responsible for national defense and that only a strong American can remain a free America.
  
• THAT it is absolutely essential to maintain a strong national defense posture in order that we may at all times negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness, in our continuing efforts toward world peace and friendship.
  
• THAT these concepts are the foundation of our national strength and that the REPUBLICAN PARTY, which is committed to their preservation, is the party of today and the PARTY FOR THE FUTURE.

Is it so hard to believe now that a pot head would be a republican; true to the philosophy which the party once stood for?

I don't think so.

Daihashi, your speaking to a lost cause.

They don't care to learn what a real Republican is. Republican to them is the "main" candidates (Bush, McCain, etc.). And if we are gonna play THAT game we should say that all Democrats are Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi and Jimmy Carter.

Of course thats absurd but you could speak till you are blue in the face. No one cares to learn.

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Daihashi, your speaking to a lost cause.

They don't care to learn what a real Republican is. Republican to them is the "main" candidates (Bush, McCain, etc.). And if we are gonna play THAT game we should say that all Democrats are Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi and Jimmy Carter.

Of course thats absurd but you could speak till you are blue in the face. No one cares to learn.

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What bugs me is that even Bush and McCain still retain parts of what the republican party used to mean. It's just that everyone wants something from the government without doing anything in return. When they don't get their way they throw a tantrum cursing republicans for not giving them a free ticket. Fact of the matter is that republicans tend to believe that you are capable and have the ability to provide for yourself. I see nothing wrong with that philosophy as it is applicable to the majority of people in this country; and the few it's not applicable to... republicans do believe in helping those folks out.

It's just beyond me how people can trash Republicans without even truely knowing what they stand for.

Bleh!

Holy WHAAAAAAA?

I'm a Republican? :wtf:
(jumps off cliff)

Hahahahaha just kidding :hippy:

So... basically, most of the Republicans in government are a bunch of tube socks filled with bison shit?

I can't believe CannCom is learnin' me fancy guverrmint stuff... :rasta:

P.S. I have never attached a label to myself, so regardless of beliefs... I will never consider myself Republican or Democrat. I am philosophically against labels. Just wanted to explain...

Well I can't say I blame the Democrats for disliking the current Republicans. They weren't really Republicans at all anyway. Just regular crappy politicians.

However what irks me is that they often fail to realize that their party is JUST as bad.

Im sorry but the Bush Regime totally trashed the Republican party, You can say all that good stuff about how the republican party was(believe me i know die-hard republicans that are voting democratic this November)..
Oh the time that was!

^ And this is what I mean.

Shit on the Republicans all you want but realize that the Democrats are JUST as bad.

This is so one sided. Fucking hoopla I tell you, FUCKING HOOPLA.

OH I KNOW THEY ARE JUST AS BAD............Republicans driving the bus off the bridge to nowhere @ 150mph and democraps want to drive it off @ 85mph....

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^ And this is what I mean.

Shit on the Republicans all you want but realize that the Democrats are JUST as bad.

This is so one sided. Fucking hoopla I tell you, FUCKING HOOPLA.

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You're right.. wtf was I thinking. My words have fallen on deaf ears. Figures.. damn pot heads :hippy: