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Ok i will list all the growing questions i have and hopefully someone can answer me :rastasmoke:
1. Is it bad to cut off fan leaves? i used to cut them maybe 1 inch from the stem of the plant and leave that little branch part there. i dont know why i am addicted to cutting them off but i am and i was just wondering if that can affect the plant, yield, or anything else
2. i took some pics of my growroom and plants. im trying the LST technique and i was wondering if im doing it right and if my plants are developing at a normal pace. ive had them for about 3 weeks now from when they were 4-5 inch clones.
3. is my lighting enough / too much? its maybe a 2.5'x2.5'x6' growroom and i am currently using (4) 40watt fluorescent bulbs about 3-4' long. and also a 120w growlight to concentrate on one plant and i switch plants so each plant gets more light than the others once every 4 days. is it good for veg? and will i need to change it for flowering if i want to produce huge yeilds.
4. When i go into flowering, is there any techniques to force the plant to give off its maximum yield? lighting nutrients fresh air etc...
5. Can i top the plant and also do the LST? or is it too much strain on the plant?
6. btw please let me know if theres anything i can do to my room to make it for efficient.
THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME OUT TO HELP ME !!!
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1. The fan leaves are the plants nutrient storehouse. it's best to leave them be.
2. Looks ok to me.
3. Control your electrical cords, keep the lights as close to the plants as possible without burning 'em.
4. If you start reading now, I'm sure you can find shitloads of flowering techniques. What lights are you going to use. (or what bulbs, if using the shop-fluorescents)
5. Yes, you can top during LST. Just don't over-do it.
6. The more you learn and understand...the better the possible oucome.
Seal all light leaks, give plenty of air circulation, vent the heat, keep 'em off the cold floor, get good nutes, don't let others know about your grow, and read, read, read.
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The spot lights suck. I tried that along time ago.
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Originally Posted by sipittysip
Ok i will list all the growing questions i have and hopefully someone can answer me :rastasmoke:
1. Is it bad to cut off fan leaves? i used to cut them maybe 1 inch from the stem of the plant and leave that little branch part there. i dont know why i am addicted to cutting them off but i am and i was just wondering if that can affect the plant, yield, or anything else
2. i took some pics of my growroom and plants. im trying the LST technique and i was wondering if im doing it right and if my plants are developing at a normal pace. ive had them for about 3 weeks now from when they were 4-5 inch clones.
3. is my lighting enough / too much? its maybe a 2.5'x2.5'x6' growroom and i am currently using (4) 40watt fluorescent bulbs about 3-4' long. and also a 120w growlight to concentrate on one plant and i switch plants so each plant gets more light than the others once every 4 days. is it good for veg? and will i need to change it for flowering if i want to produce huge yeilds.
4. When i go into flowering, is there any techniques to force the plant to give off its maximum yield? lighting nutrients fresh air etc...
5. Can i top the plant and also do the LST? or is it too much strain on the plant?
6. btw please let me know if theres anything i can do to my room to make it for efficient.
THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME OUT TO HELP ME !!!
1. Yes, it is bad to cut fan leaves. Your plant stores energy it collects during the day in the big fan leaves, so it can use that energy to continue to grow at night. If you remove leaves, you take away energy storehouses, diminishing the energy your plant receives, reducing vigor and definitely reducing your yield. Leave the fans alone. :wtf:
2. Your LST looks good. There's really no "correct" way to do it; there are many different configurations you can get by bending in different ways.
As long as you're not breaking your plant's stems/limbs, you're doing it right. LOL
3. You can never have TOO much light... If you could keep the temperature in check, you could put 1000 watts in there.
In my opinion, you don't have enough light... I'd suggest a 250W or 400W HPS in an air-cooled hood & some CFL side lighting :) Your plants would be double the size they are now. You need "cool white" fluorescents in veg, "soft white" for flower... 6500K for veg, 2700K for flower.
Under the lighting you have now (and especially if you keep chopping fan leaves off), you won't be getting any "huge yield". :(...
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Not saying you won't get SOME smoke, but don't expect poundage or even ounces. You need many more lumens to get that.
4. The plant will only make what its environment allows it to make... Maximum lighting of the proper spectrum, optimal temperatures, good ventilation/circulation, and proper nutrition will all go far toward allowing your plants to produce to their full potential.
Anything less than optimal, and well... yield goes down.
That's the trick to growing for max yield... Getting everything dialed in.. ;):rastasmoke:
5. What's your infatuation with cutting things off your plants? LOL
If you LST, you don't need to top... Your plants will get bushy all by themselves.
Sure you can, they're your plants. But why?
6. Like I said.. strive for optimal conditions.
MAXIMUM light intensity.
Try to maintain 75 degrees F with lights on... with low humidity.
Nice breeze blowing in the cabinet at all times for good air circulation.
Fans pulling fresh, cool air in, and fans sucking hot stale air out.
Proper pH levels of your nutrients... 5.8-6.2 for hydro, 6.5-6.8 for soil.
Good nutrients... None of that Miracle-Gro crapola. LOL :thumbsup:
You'll get out only what you put in.
Hope I was helpful! Best of luck with your grow.
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omg thank you! you freakin gave me everything i needed to know and moreee. but i had another question again, if i buy that 1000w hps light and keep the room cold enough how good will my yields be? and i stop cutting things off my plants
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To be honest, I'm only speculating... But if you got the conditions in your cabinet dialed in properly, and you grew two 4ft tall plants, LST'd... you could easily yield a half pound in there, depending on the strain.... Some plants buds are denser & heavier than others.
Like I said, that's speculation and I'm not guaranteeing anything...
You've got a ways to go before you get yields like that.
It is definitely possible though!
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what about with my current lighting? 4x40watt (4feet long) fluorescent and 1 spotlight 120w growlight. how much would i yield if all 4 plants hit 4 feet
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Any estimate right now is pure speculation. There's just no way to tell.
Not even going to venture a guess.
How much longer are you planning to veg them?
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Shop light fixtures are great for young clones and seedlings, but keeping them within effective range of a mature plant can get tricky. A four foot plant, flowered with your shop lamp, will yield about the top 6" of plant, if the light is above the plants. All else will be too far away, and thusly have insufficient lighting. The problem I had with the side-light CFL lights, was that heat rises, and since you have to 'snug' them in to be effective, it can bake anything above it. (other branches, fan leaves)
Those spotlamps seem to give more heat than lumens, too. Not good for a closet grow. A 250w HPS would work much better, with some ventilation and air circulation inherently required. A 400w would be optimal, but it would come with a serious heat problem you'd have to look into solving, prior to purchase. Plus, you can veg with HPS if need be, or use one of those switchable ballast systems.
Your disappointments grow in direct proportion to your expectations...
...Yields are irrelevant. Results are relevant. (you'll find out yield, when you reach your first harvest at full maturity) :jointsmile:
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I'm trying to get them as big as possible. Is the yield affected by the size of the plaant? And hOw long should I keep growinng before I flower. Btw I ordered a 1000w light :)
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Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
Shop light fixtures are great for young clones and seedlings, but keeping them within effective range of a mature plant can get tricky. A four foot plant, flowered with your shop lamp, will yield about the top 6" of plant, if the light is above the plants. All else will be too far away, and thusly have insufficient lighting. The problem I had with the side-light CFL lights, was that heat rises, and since you have to 'snug' them in to be effective, it can bake anything above it. (other branches, fan leaves)
Those spotlamps seem to give more heat than lumens, too. Not good for a closet grow. A 250w HPS would work much better, with some ventilation and air circulation inherently required. A 400w would be optimal, but it would come with a serious heat problem you'd have to look into solving, prior to purchase. Plus, you can veg with HPS if need be, or use one of those switchable ballast systems.
Your disappointments grow in direct proportion to your expectations...
...Yields are irrelevant. Results are relevant. (you'll find out yield, when you reach your first harvest at full maturity) :jointsmile:
Rusty makes a good point.
Firstly, let me answer your question: Yes, yield is affected by the size of the plant (of course a taller plant is going to have more bud.)
Being as how this is your first grow (obviously), your first concern is to get a female plant... Secondly, to get that plant into flower properly.
A 1000 watt light is nice, but you're going to have some serious heat issues to deal with now, as that thing is going to give off a LOT of heat.
When I said "you could put 1000 watts in there" I wasn't saying it would be optimal... I hope you're prepared to throw money at some GOOD ventilation fans to help deal with that.
Keep your expectations low, and you will be less disappointed when it doesn't turn out so good this first time. Don't expect a lot, and then if you get a lot, you can be pleasantly surprised. :)
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i got the 1000w hps but i am going to move them into a spare bedroom near a window so i can vent all the hot air out the window. im going to build a little room near the window btw. like say a 8'longx2'deepx8'tall and exhaust the air out of a window and bring in air from another window. is it possible to get these plants as big as i want with lst? like even make it take up the whole room hypothetically speaking. will they keep growing or is it on genetics? btw if i were able to grow a 6 footer how much do you think my possible yield could be?
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Originally Posted by dooobster
Rusty makes a good point.
Firstly, let me answer your question: Yes, yield is affected by the size of the plant (of course a taller plant is going to have more bud.)
I completely disagree with this statement. #1 If there is not enough light then the plant is actually wasting energy by being to tall and the harvest is diminished. #2 a plants root size is a much better judge of the yeild size, not actual vegitation size. Reason being is that at the end of each day the leaves transport their extra nutrients down into the roots to be stored. The bigger the roots the more stored resources and the better the ability to gather more resources efficiently. A plant with a strong healthy root system and little vegitation will produce more than a large plant with a small root system. If you want proof look at my flowering plants in my grow log they were monsters but started outside and I had to cut the roots to transplant them into the pot. They had 2 weeks to recover and get over their stress but now this far into flower the reduced roots are unable to absorbe the nutrients they need and can't catch up. If I were able to take all the roots and put them in the same size pot they would be fine.
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So, Chrissy... you're saying a 5-footer won't yield more bud than a 2 footer?
I completely disagree with that statement.
All I'm saying is... I've been growing canna for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen a 2 footer that out-yielded the 5 foot tree standing next to it.
He's going to have them under a 1000W hps... insufficient lighting won't be a problem. :)
So, let me rephrase.
*IF* you grow your plants under sufficient lighting for lush, thick growth and *IF* your plants ROOTS are in pots that are of sufficient size to allow big luxurious ROOT systems and *IF* the environment, and nutrients are optimal, then yes. The taller plants SHOULD yield more weight than the shorter plant.
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thats hard to achieve though....
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Anything worth having takes some work to achieve...
In growing this stuff, you get out what you put in.
Sure, it takes some money, and it takes some work to get everything dialed in, but obviously this guy's primary concern is yield, so I'm telling him what he needs to do in order to get the best yield he can get.
If he's willing to spend the money and do the work to get conditions as close to optimal as he can get them, then he will be rewarded.
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can someone tell me exactly what i can get to make my yields as much as possible. money is not an issue i just need to know exactly what i need in order to have my babies in optimal condition. btw what do u guys suggest hydro or soil?
pleaseeeee give me a list prosss
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Originally Posted by dooobster
So, Chrissy... you're saying a 5-footer won't yield more bud than a 2 footer?
I completely disagree with that statement.
All I'm saying is... I've been growing canna for nearly 20 years, and I've never seen a 2 footer that out-yielded the 5 foot tree standing next to it.
He's going to have them under a 1000W hps... insufficient lighting won't be a problem. :)
So, let me rephrase.
*IF* you grow your plants under sufficient lighting for lush, thick growth and *IF* your plants ROOTS are in pots that are of sufficient size to allow big luxurious ROOT systems and *IF* the environment, and nutrients are optimal, then yes. The taller plants SHOULD yield more weight than the shorter plant.
I'm saying that if the two plants were to have the exaqct same root systems the 2 ft plant would produce better that the 5 ft plant because of all the wasted energy sabilizing and transporting nutrients and water up huge tall stalks. Just because he is going to have a 1000w doesn't mean he won't have problems with insufficient lighting, especially at the bottom of the plants due to the distance away(remember lumens halve exponetially with every foot away) and also because there are leaves above it that are creating shade and only letting through a part of the light spectrum. This also wastes energy because the bottom buds are constantly competing to get light and using all their energy to reach for it instead of producing buds. Just because you've been growing for 20+ years doesn't mean you know everything and doesn't mean you shouldn't be open to new perspectives or discoveries. It's closemindedness that keeps our medicine illegal and it seems to me there are alot of hypocrites here who are set in their knowledge and trying to build a reputation instead of becoming better growers.
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Do your research. everything you want to know is already out there and if you aren't willing to do the work to seek it out and want us all to hand you the answers(which we, sorry they, have), then you might as well just use your "money is not a problem" attitude and find someone to grow it for you. My best advice is to either find a mentor to come into your garden and teach you how, or start at the basics of Sunshine mix and nutrients as you discover diffeciencies and build on your skills as you perfect them. You can't just dive into a full out hydro system or complicated grow room set-ups without majorly fucking something up or losing/wasting a whole crop. Your first crop and grow should be for the love of the plant after that you can grow for the love of the yeild. But I smell money and sales as being a motivator here, and I must remind you that this site is for personal use, not growing to sell. Everything always works out on paper or in writting but almost never in reality. :jointsmile:
