Thank you to all the people (mostly conservatives) that want to keep us safe.... this is how safe we've become. Keep up the good work :thumbsup: I feel safer already. :rolleyes:
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Thank you to all the people (mostly conservatives) that want to keep us safe.... this is how safe we've become. Keep up the good work :thumbsup: I feel safer already. :rolleyes:
Thanks for this post... Good read.
It is sad.... I don't even feel "free" in the "Land of the free".
damn, I'm missing out, I guess ... I'm almost 57 years old, have always smoked all the pot I desire, pretty much do as I damn well please, and I feel FREE ! :thumbsup: ... remember an important point, that guy that was charged with crimes, will get a FAIR TRIAL, try getting one of those in most countries ... go rent "Midnight Express' sometime (a relative of mine was there when that incident occurred) :wtf: ... as the saying goes "paranoia will destroy ya!" ... :jointsmile:
I'm with I.R.....doing the same shit today that I was 30 years ago. So what freedoms have you lost?
Have a good one!:s4:
Yeah, I haven't gotten the memo either. Maybe it's because I am part of the "conspiracy".
Maybe if it's so bad, you should run for public office. Run on "change" and "hope", surely if things are so bad you will soon be president some day.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
P.S., you could always leave too. Last I checked most police states won't let you leave though, so you may want to do that before they realize they forgot to forbid travel, oh yeah, and take advantage of the internet and ability to post your opinion online freely to before they realize they need to button up those issues too.
Shit I probably just tipped them off since they are always monitoring everything I type and say. Shit! Sorry I blew it for everyone!:D
from 8182KSKUSH's signature: "I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. "
Martin Luther King Jr "....
... I just stole that off 8182KSKUSH's signature ... I never heard that before, but I sure do like it :thumbsup: kudos, KUSH, great eye :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by the image reaper
I read that and quote and thought to myself, "how applicable" to myself, and really to everyone here. It's really true, and a throw back to what real protest used to be. I hope the message spreads through our community and changes some outlooks on life and cannabis. Thanks.
you live in the United States and you have the balls to make a comment like that?
Thank you for your bravery sir. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by higher4hockey
I like your siggie!
Nice to see nothing but personal attacks... well I guess when you have nothing of any real value to say I guess attack is all you can do. No wonder things are the way they are. :(
H4H- No I don't have any balls but why would I need them to speak my mind?? ;)
IR- Must be nice to be a middle aged guy in a country run by people just like you. I wonder what that's like.:rolleyes: Do I not have a right to live without fear of a paramilitary group besieging my home because I passively resist unjust laws? I guess since they aren't DOD soldiers it's ok? So a "fair trial" is what I have to look forward to huh. Is that why 1% of the US population is in prison, the majority for drug related crimes, with an obscene majority being black? 700,000+ arrests for Cannabis a year more than for all "violent" crimes combined. That sounds like fairness to me. Well at least I have that going for me. I'm a little white girl no threat there. :D As for the freedoms lost how about freedom to petition for redress of grievances, or peaceably assembling, or habeus corpus, or unreasonable search and seizure, or life without pain and fear? (I know that last bit isn't "guaranteed" but shouldn't I have a right to it anyway?) I'm sure there are more but these are the ones that are important to me. Oh and to your paranoia comment, well it's hard not to be traumatized by all the bullshit the government and it's agencies spew. Especially when you combine it with the indifference of others.
Kush- Even if I left the US and became a citizen of another country the US would still tax me. Therefore I would be forced to subsidize a regime I do not agree with nor wish to participate in. So what do you call that? You don't have to be forced to stay within the borders of a country to be policed by it. It's an illusion of freedom. And yes the US does search out and force expats to pay taxes. Should I have to hide and disappear to be free from them? Oh and in the next few years (if it hasn't happened already) all US passports will contain an RFID tag in them with biometric data. Talk about policing around the world sheesh.
As for the MLK quote- 1st you shouldn't have to go to jail to show the utmost respect for the law. 2nd I would be more than willing to go to jail to arise conscience about these unjust laws but it appears my fellow citizens have none. :(
Show me a "personal attack". You know that is against forum rules, and the poster could face consequences. I fail to see the "personal attack". Maybe you are confusing an alternative viewpoint as a personal attack. Maybe you think what I just said is a personal attack. I dunno? I don't care either.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
I won't try to assume that he meant that figuratively, but I am betting he did. A better way to say it would be, "wow, that's really ironic that you are freely expressing your opinion in a country where such a right is protected by our founding documents, in regards to the same country being a police state."Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
You have a right to live however the hell you want. If you CHOOSE to passively resist laws and the result is you "living in fear of a paramilitary group besieging your home," then so be it. It's your choice remember? If you don't like the feeling you have, then change what you are doing. Personally, I have good reason to worry about that exact thing happening to me personally, and I have first hand experience with that very thing happening. I don't live in fear. If you do, it's your choice. BTW, I am not a middle aged white man either. Go figure. It's not anyone else's fault but yours for the way you perceive the world and the way you react to it. So if "passively resisting laws" makes you fearful, then don't do it. If you choose to continue to do it, then don't blame everyone else in the world for the way you feel, try being accountable for your own choices.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
As for your rights to petition for redress of grievances, or peaceably assembling, or habeus corpus, or unreasonable search and seizure, unless you know something I don't, or there have been some amendments to our Bill of Rights, they are still there. Could you maybe elaborate on how those freedoms have been lost? Remember, you are free to do most anything you want until it infringes upon the rights and freedoms of others. As far as I know those are all still applicable. Maybe I live in an alternate universe though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
You do realize the "government" is not a single person, it's made up of 3 branches of power, by countless numbers of people, including the citizens that elect the officials that serve. By "spew" what do you mean? By "indifference", do you mean anyone that has an alternate point of view? To me it just sounds like you have zero tolerance for anyone that doesn't buy into your "woe is me" world view?:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
I would call that misinformed at best. Here is some info for you from one of those traumatizing government agencies, if you can stomach reading it.:S2:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
Expatriation Tax
The expatriation tax provisions under Section 877 of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) apply to US citizens who have renounced their citizenship and long-term residents (as defined in IRC 877(e)) who have ended their US resident status for federal tax purposes. In 2004, the expatriation rules changed. If you expatriated on or before June 3, 2004 one set of rules apply. In accordance with the significant changes made to IRC 877 by the American Jobs Creation Act (AJCA) of 2004, if you expatriated after June 3, 2004 another set of rules apply.
Expatriation after June 3, 2004
- Expatriation after June 3, 2004
- Expatriation On or Before June 3, 2004
- What to do if you haven't filed a Form 8854
- What to do if you haven't filed an Income Tax Return
- Significant Penalty Imposed for Not Filing Expatriation Form
The American Jobs Creation Act (AJCA) of 2004 amends Section 877 of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC), which provides for an alternative tax regime for certain, expatriated individuals. Amended IRC 877 eliminates the tax avoidance criteria for imposition of the expatriation tax on certain types of income for 10 years following expatriation, and creates objective criteria to impose the tax on individuals with an average income tax liability of $127,000 for tax year 2005 (or higher amount for later years) for the 5 prior years or a net worth of $2,000,000 on the date of expatriation.
So by all means, now that you are informed don't let that stop you from leaving this police state while you can!:S2::S2::S2:
Of course, if you have an income tax liability of over 127,000 per year, then yeah, you are right, guess this would apply to you. Oh, or if you have a net worth of 2,000,000 for the last 5 years then yeah, they are going to make you pay your taxes. The part you didn't get before you posted that blurb, was that this law was put into place for people that solely leave the country to avoid income taxes due to their vast amount of wealth. So unless you are in this category, (and maybe you are who am I to know) you shouldn't have to worry about paying taxes to the U.S and subsidizing this police state.
So send us all a post card.:thumbsup:
You don't have to go to jail to show the utmost respect for the law. That's not what he was saying. Read it again, out loud, in the context of the civil rights era. Then think about it. Then apply it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
Here is some general information about a "police state". Followed by some examples. For those that like to throw around words.
The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, potentially by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional republic. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement.[1]
Classification of a police state
The classification of a country or regime as a police state is usually contested and debated. Because of the pejorative connotation of the term, it is rare that a country will identify itself as a police state. The classification is often established by an internal whistleblower or an external critic or activist group. The use of the term is motivated as a response to the laws, policies and actions of that regime, and is often used pejoratively to describe the regime's concept of the social contract, human rights, and similar matters.
Genuine police states are fundamentally authoritarian, and are often dictatorships. However the degree of government repression varies widely among societies. Most regimes fall into some middle ground between the extremes of pure civil libertarianism and pure policestatism.
In times of national emergency or war, the balance which may usually exist between freedom and national security often tips in favour of security. This shift may lead to allegations that the nation in question has become, or is becoming, a police state.
Because there are different political perspectives as to what an appropriate balance is between individual freedom and national security, there are no definitive objective standards to determine whether the term "police state" applies to a particular nation at any given point in time. Thus, it is difficult to evaluate objectively the truth of allegations that a nation is, or is becoming, a police state. One way to view the concept of the police state and the free state is through the medium of a balance or scale, where any law focused on removing liberty is seen as moving toward a police state, and any law which limits government oversight is seen as moving towards a free state.[2]
War is often portrayed in fiction as a perfect precursor to establishing a police state, as citizens are more dependent on their government and the police for safety than usual (see Fictional police states below).
Enlightened absolutism
Under the political model of enlightened absolutism, the ruler is the "highest servant of the state" and exercises absolute power to provide for the general welfare of the population. This model of government proposes that all the power of the state must be directed toward this end, and rejects codified, statutory constraints upon the ruler's absolute power. Thinkers such as Thomas Hobbes supported this type of absolutist government.
As the enlightened, absolute ruler is said to be charged with the public good, and implicitly infallible by right of appointment, even critical, loyal opposition to the ruler's party is a crime against the state. The concept of loyal opposition is incompatible with these politics. As public dissent is forbidden, it inevitably becomes secret, which, in turn, is countered with political repression via a secret police.
Liberal democracy, which emphasizes the rule of law, focuses on the police state's not being subject to law. Robert von Mohl, who first introduced the rule of law to German jurisprudence, contrasted the Rechtsstaat ("legal" or "constitutional" state) with the aristocratic Polizeistaat ("police state").[3]
<H3>Potential examples of police states</H3>
As previously discussed, it is not possible to objectively determine whether a nation has become or is becoming a police state. As a consequence, to draw up an exhaustive list of police states would be inherently flawed. However, there are a few highly debated examples which serve to illustrate partial characteristics of a police state's structure. These examples are listed below.
The South African apartheid system is generally considered to have been a police state despite having been nominally a democracy (albeit with the native, Black African majority population excluded from the democracy).
Nazi Germany, a dictatorship, was, at least initially, brought into being through a nominal democracy, yet exerted repressive controls over its people.
In Cuba, 22 journalists who attempted to publicise non-government authorised news remain imprisoned. Arrested in March 2003, the journalists are serving prison terms of up to 27 years. It is also reported that journalists not in prison are frequently threatened with the same fate.[4]
Paris-based Reporters Without Borders ranked North Korea last out of 168 countries in a test of press freedom.[5] It has been reported that the only TV channel in North Korea predominately eulogises the countries present leader Kim Jong Il and his father (and previous leader) Kim Il Sung. As a result, some locals in Pyongyang have been quoted as stating that their leaders are gods.[6]
So now at least you have some sort of general information, so that future posts made on the subject this can be considered, and ignorance can be ruled out.:D
Get some sleep, if you can! Wooohaha! We are all watching you!:rolleyes::rolleyes::lol5::lol5::lol5::lol5:
I suppose you can stick you head in the sand and ignore whats going on around you but it doesnt change the fact that goddess is correct. We have lost all of those rights and more. Have you read the partriot act? How about title 26 the tax code? How about the bill that just passed last month for the blank check for Paulson to bail out freddie and fannie. Did you catch that thing in there where all CC transactions must now be reported to the IRS. What happened to 4th amendment?
Bush Suspended habeus corpus and the Sc backed him on that. Theres more info at the we the people foundation. They are the ones that brought that suit.
The right to petition the government, was just before the SC recently and they refused to hear it essentially shooting down another freedom since it was rejected all the way up to them. I suppose we do still have that right but essentially a part of that right it was argued, should be a mandatory response from the government, essentially holding our government accountable. The courts disagreed.
Freedom used to mean that I do what I want as long as i dont interfere with anyone elses freedom. Now freedom is whatever is left over after the government gets through with you.
Oh and since you brought it up. Please let us know what income is. And by the way, I have read the tax codes and many supreme court cases so I understand the stuff pretty well. But please tell us what income is.
No, actually the only way to get elected is to raise 150 million or so. It doesn't matter if you have principles or you are right. Look at Ron Paul. He knows whats going on here and he understands the limitations the constitution placed on the central government. The real problem is ignorant people that probably havent read the constitution and have no idea what freedom is anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
As for freedom to travel. Also not true. You are free to travel as long as its a country the government says is ok to travel to.
GOP or Dem....As a group of people on a Cannibis Related Messageboard debating "Government Intrusiveness In Our Daily Lives,This is something that All of us should be scared of!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
The following is a better summary than I can write. I'll follow up with some scenarios. I strongly* suggest you read the book "spychips". I actually bought a few copies of it solely for passing around. The numbers are footnotes, the full article link is here....spychips.com - RFID Overview
RFID: Tracking everything, everywhere
by Katherine Albrecht, CASPIAN
[The following is an excerpt from: Albrecht, Katherine. "Supermarket Cards: The Tip of the Retail Surveillance Iceberg." Denver University Law Review, Summer 2002, Volume 79, Issue 4, pp. 534-539 and 558-565.]
Click here for a PDF of the original article (2.4 MB)
"In 5-10 years, whole new ways of doing things will emerge and gradually become commonplace. Expect big changes." [1] - MIT's Auto-ID Center
Supermarket cards and retail surveillance devices are merely the opening volley of the marketers' war against consumers. If consumers fail to oppose these practices now, our long-term prospects may look like something from a dystopian science fiction novel.
A new consumer goods tracking system called Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) is poised to enter all of our lives, with profound implications for consumer privacy. RFID couples radio frequency (RF) identification technology with highly miniaturized computers that enable products to be identified and tracked at any point along the supply chain. [2]
The system could be applied to almost any physical item, from ballpoint pens to toothpaste, which would carry their own unique information in the form of an embedded chip. [3] The chip sends out an identification signal allowing it to communicate with reader devices and other products embedded with similar chips. [4]
Analysts envision a time when the system will be used to identify and track every item produced on the planet. [5]
A number for every item on the planet
RFID employs a numbering scheme called EPC (for "electronic product code") which can provide a unique ID for any physical object in the world. [6] The EPC is intended to replace the UPC bar code used on products today. [7]
Unlike the bar code, however, the EPC goes beyond identifying product categories--it actually assigns a unique number to every single item that rolls off a manufacturing line. [8] For example, each pack of cigarettes, individual can of soda, light bulb or package of razor blades produced would be uniquely identifiable through its own EPC number. [9]
Once assigned, this number is transmitted by a radio frequency ID tag (RFID) in or on the product. [10] These tiny tags, predicted by some to cost less than 1 cent each by 2004 [11] [Note: the one cent tag has proved unattainable as of late 2004. The cost of a passive RFID tag is currently between $0.20 and $0.80. -K.A. 9/04] are "somewhere between the size of a grain of sand and a speck of dust." [12] They are to be built directly into food, clothes, drugs, or auto-parts during the manufacturing process. [13]
Receiver or reader devices are used to pick up the signal transmitted by the RFID tag. Proponents envision a pervasive global network of millions of receivers along the entire supply chain -- in airports, seaports, highways, distribution centers, warehouses, retail stores, and in the home. [14] This would allow for seamless, continuous identification and tracking of physical items as they move from one place to another, [15] enabling companies to determine the whereabouts of all their products at all times. [16]
Steven Van Fleet, an executive at International Paper, looks forward to the prospect. "We'll put a radio frequency ID tag on everything that moves in the North American supply chain," he enthused recently. [17]
The ultimate goal is for RFID to create a "physically linked world" [18] in which every item on the planet is numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked. And the technology exists to make this a reality. Described as "a political rather than a technological problem," creating a global system "would . . . involve negotiation between, and consensus among, different countries." [19] Supporters are aiming for worldwide acceptance of the technologies needed to build the infrastructure within the next few years. [20]
The implications of RFID
"Theft will be drastically reduced because items will report when they are stolen, their smart tags also serving as a homing device toward their exact location." [21] - MIT's Auto-ID Center
Since the Auto-ID Center's founding at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1999, it has moved forward at remarkable speed. The center has attracted funding from some of the largest consumer goods manufacturers in the world, and even counts the Department of Defense among its sponsors. [22] In a mid-2001 pilot test with Gillette, Philip Morris, Procter & Gamble, and Wal-Mart, the center wired the entire city of Tulsa, Oklahoma with radio-frequency equipment to verify its ability to track RFID equipped packages. [23]
Though many RFID proponents appear focused on inventory and supply chain efficiency, others are developing financial and consumer applications that, if adopted, will have chilling effects on consumers' ability to escape the oppressive surveillance of manufacturers, retailers, and marketers. Of course, government and law enforcement will be quick to use the technology to keep tabs on citizens, as well.
The European Central Bank is quietly working to embed RFID tags in the fibers of Euro banknotes by 2005. [24] The tag would allow money to carry its own history by recording information about where it has been, thus giving governments and law enforcement agencies a means to literally "follow the money" in every transaction. [25] If and when RFID devices are embedded in banknotes, the anonymity that cash affords in consumer transactions will be eliminated.
Hitachi Europe wants to supply the tags. The company has developed a smart tag chip that--at just 0.3mm square and as thin as a human hair -- can easily fit inside of a banknote. [26] Mass-production of the new chip will start within a year. [27]
Consumer marketing applications will decimate privacy
"Radio frequency is another technology that supermarkets are already using in a number of places throughout the store. We now envision a day where consumers will walk into a store, select products whose packages are embedded with small radio frequency UPC codes, and exit the store without ever going through a checkout line or signing their name on a dotted line." [28] Jacki Snyder, Manager of Electronic Payments for Supervalu (Supermarkets), Inc., and Chair, Food Marketing Institute Electronic Payments Committee
RFID would expand marketers' ability to monitor individuals' behavior to undreamt of extremes. With corporate sponsors like Wal-Mart, Target, the Food Marketing Institute, Home Depot, and British supermarket chain Tesco, as well as some of the world's largest consumer goods manufacturers including Procter and Gamble, Phillip Morris, and Coca Cola [29] it may not be long before RFID-based surveillance tags begin appearing in every store-bought item in a consumer's home.
According to a video tour of the "Home of the Future" and "Store of the Future" sponsored by Procter and Gamble, applications could include shopping carts that automatically bill consumers' accounts (cards would no longer be needed to link purchases to individuals), refrigerators that report their contents to the supermarket for re-ordering, and interactive televisions that select commercials based on the contents of a home's refrigerator. [30]
Now that shopper cards have whetted their appetite for data, marketers are no longer content to know who buys what, when, where, and how. As incredible as it may seem, they are now planning ways to monitor consumers' use of products within their very homes. RFID tags coupled with indoor receivers installed in shelves, floors, and doorways, [31] could provide a degree of omniscience about consumer behavior that staggers the imagination.
Consider the following statements by John Stermer, Senior Vice President of eBusiness Market Development at ACNielsen:
"[After bar codes] [t]he next 'big thing' [was] [f]requent shopper cards. While these did a better job of linking consumers and their purchases, loyalty cards were severely limited...consider the usage, consumer demographic, psychographic and economic blind spots of tracking data.... [S]omething more integrated and holistic was needed to provide a ubiquitous understanding of on- and off-line consumer purchase behavior, attitudes and product usage. The answer: RFID (radio frequency identification) technology.... In an industry first, RFID enables the linking of all this product information with a specific consumer identified by key demographic and psychographic markers....Where once we collected purchase information, now we can correlate multiple points of consumer product purchase with consumption specifics such as the how, when and who of product use." [32]
Marketers aren't the only ones who want to watch what you do in your home. Enter again the health surveillance connection. Some have suggested that pill bottles in medicine cabinets be tagged with RFID devices to allow doctors to remotely monitor patient compliance with prescriptions. [33]
While developers claim that RFID technology will create "order and balance" in a chaotic world, [34] even the center's executive director, Kevin Ashton, acknowledges there's a "Brave New World" feel to the technology. [35] He admits, for example, that people might balk at the thought of police using RFID to scan the contents of a car's trunk without needing to open it. [36] The Center's co-director, Sanjay E. Sarma, has already begun planning strategies to counter the public backlash he expects the system will
What personal attacks? You come across like the evil conservatives have locked ya down in a police state. So once again, what rights have YOU lost because of this? Not the ones that have been on the books since the 1920's but the ones that you have lost since adulthood.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
You stated a "life without pain and fear"....how is that the feds responsibility? On one hand you want less interaction from the fed then you ask for more with a statement like this. When your asking your parents for money and assistance they usually dig their noses deeper into your life.
As for the "moving to another country" issue, all ya have to do is become a citizen of that country then your clear of paying the evil taxes from the U.S.. So what country is it that is so much more appealing than here?
You accuse people of personal attacks but make a statement like "nothing of any real value to say". So I take it the only time someones opinion is valid is if they agree with you? Sorry, everyones opinion has value whether you like it or not.
The feds responsibility is to protect the homeland....if that means that they have to do a wire tap on some terrorist assclown calling over to Afghanistan let it be. You stated "conservatives" as the root cause.....so what was Obama's vote on FISA?
Have a good one!:s4:
touche.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoddessHerb
if you think the US has it bad, i suggest you look around a little more before you criticize. Folks have it pretty rough in North Korea. Journalists are jailed for years in Cuba for publicising non-authorized material. Children in Africa have hardly anything. Children in Iraq have to wonder whether they'll have power that day, or if they'll be blown into oblivion by a VBIED. that's just to name a few.
and you can sit there and have the gall to say that the US is a police state? your opinion it might be, but i think you are sadly mistaken.
while I dont believe this is a police state...far from it actually, if it was posed in a different context, isnt there any room for talking on the subject of freedoms being lost without getting "well if you dont like it here then get out". I mean wouldnt we have never heard the MLK quote in KUSH's sig. had he "got out" because he didnt like the things he saw.
db:smokin:
well, I surely did not see a single personal attack, except from the original poster ... I seldom get in political or religious discussions, because nobody's opinion is usually changed, and it only starts arguments ... that aside, I am going to put my tinfoil hat on, and wait for the damned Conservatives to come drag me off to the concentration camps ... (I wish there was a way to compare people's opinions when they are young, to where they stand 30-40 years later) ... they would be amazed at themselves, I can tell you that ... Socialist = a student ... Conservative = a student with a job ... :D
P.S. ... there is a LOT wrong with America, primarily due to people's greed and laziness ... but, I LOVE AMERICA, far from perfect, but still the BEST :thumbsup:
I agree with you whole heartedly that we need to hear differing opinions in order to make progress in this country. The difference between MLK and some of the people that post on this site are that MLK actually got off his ass and did something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
Furthermore he understood that violence only begets more violence and that a mature, responsible protest of substance was the way to change people's hearts and minds.
I won't categorize all people, but the people that I know who complain about this being a police state are the same people who sit around and do nothing about it. Stand up for your cause and fight back; make people aware of why you believe this to be a police state or going in that direction.
Otherwise it ends up being ranting and complaints.
Personally I think this country is great. Can someone show me exactly what rights we've lost within the last 2-3 generations?
good post, daihashi :thumbsup: ... I've often thought if the civil-rights activists of the 60's were trying to legalize pot, it would have been done years ago ... but, they were OUT IN THE STREETS, risking a head-bashing, not hiding in dark rooms, stoned in front of the TV, saying "wow, man, I sure wish they'd legalize this stuff" ... :wtf:
we have lost some of our freedoms. i doubt anyone can disagree with that.
I for one cannot dare to criticize government's policies these days, especially regarding the security issue, without fearing of being spied on or runnin into trouble by the government or its official or unofficial agents (yeah, they will use any measure available to get u, just check)
But I wouldnt go as far as calling it a "police state" u wanna know what police state is? police state is saudi arabia where women are considered 2nd hand citizens! police state is Iran's government which wont allow u to have male-female relationship in any form but marriage and will detain opposition people on regular basis without a warrant or cause or any further info... for months no1 not even their families or lawyers know where they are being held or whats being done to them... Police state has a very strong meaning
maybe we have taken some "Police state steps" but we are still far from being a true police state.
that said, i dont find many of these steps justified. and i would say many of us differ on our definition and belief of freedom than what government thinks or many of establishment supporters believe. I still appreciate the freedom and material prosperity I have here, no matter how half-assed it may be...
u just must have actually lived in a police state like me to understand what I mean...
I have problems with our system, a good number of them, but hey, the day i consider US to be a true police state, i will not even say it... i will just leave it! and its not that day yet! so try to utilize what options that u got, thats still technically gonna work, it will only require lots and lots of persistence and it will require logic and patience, reform and change, smalling a giant government cannot be done overnight or in 1 or 2 presidential terms cuz it will have adverse consequences like many jobs lost etc...
we, the citizens must be pro-active, more than just bitchin about government and taking no action, we are the ones who can still gather signatures, we are the ones who can still bycott an election to show our distaste for candidates, we are the ones who can still peacefully protest, even in front of president's ranch! we still have our word that can get out there... dare sayin a word thats disliked by a police government or its society there... your ass will go "missing - location unknown" and if u r lucky u will get a not-so-fair trial after they beat u up or torture u in other ways to get confessions of treason and working for "enemy" to use against u in court.
i give u the right to bitch about it, but be fair, dont blame one side or another, cuz all sides have done their share of the mess... there is no 1 side or party to blame, plus what good will blaming do when its not followed by serious effort to push for a change... left and right kept blaming each other for years and still we have same old issues @ hand, none did anything about it, cuz they kept baling each other that they dont let each other work...
i get where u r coming from, dont get me wrong, and i tell u its because alot of us the americans have failed to do our part in politics which is active participation...
look @ our history, blacks were "slaves" merely materials when they got here, but they didnt just sit and bitch about it, while they were obviously pissed @ their situation, THEY TOOK ACTION, pro actively protested, even if that meant breaking then racist laws. and now look @ what has been achieved,
and it did take them a LONG TIME to get what they were looking for and still there is room for improvement... 1700 to 1964 and still there were and are shortcomings!
so my point being, take some action, send a letter every month to your governor, senator, state reps, state legislators, etc. they do subliminal brainwashing on us, why not we do the same to them, it will cost less than a few bucks! thats the least u can do
I know I just quoted the end but your post is one of the best I've read in the politics forum for a while and echos much of what I tell people here in regards to activism and change.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingimam
Excellent post :hippy:
The worst is yet to come :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
I saw the DEA tv show on spike where they received an "anonymous tip" in detroit and they used infrared to find a grow house...The same infrared that's been ruled unconstitutional..The patriot act really opened this whole 'warrant' thing up for broad interpretation...especially since our government insists that drugs and terrorism are closely related..
Two words... radiant barrier. :hippy::hippy::hippy: At least I think that would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
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Originally Posted by Markass
Three letters,
L E D. I KNOW that works. :D:D:D
Thanks, Daihashi:cool:
Aloha,
Weezard
there u go! ty u wizard n daihashiQuote:
Originally Posted by Weezard
I am certain that I saw this same episode, I tend to watch shows like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markass
And I am really sure that they weren't using the IR to obtain the warrant, that they had undercover agents/informant buy from the grower, which is how they got the warrant. I believe the IR was a scare tactic, purposefully televised to scare growers and make them think exactly what you posted.
I could be wrong though.:jointsmile:
i think they may actually use it, what it comes down to, is that landmark supreme court ruling says that is search n seizure u must have a warrant. so it will get thrown out of court if its the only evidence and is warrantless or if it is used first b4 obtaining any other evidence [most likely, im not sure]Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
what an idiot, was this guy on the show selling from grow location?
they didn't have a warrant, they were using the 'tip' as probable cause...Quote:
Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH