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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
"Palin has said she doesn??t support legalizing the drug, fearing the message it would send to her five children."
NORML's Podacast:
Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
And that message would be what, ??Don??t smoke marijuana kids, you might grow up to be mayor, governor, and a vice-presidential candidate some day?? Considering the unplanned pregnancy of the unmarried teenage daughter of the Alaska governor who would outlaw all abortions, even in cases of rape, incest, or the mother??s health in danger, this Alaska governor who would mandate abstinence-only sexual education for your kids needs to work on her own messaging to her kids before she casts aspersions on the message of legalized marijuana.
Sarah Palin had the good fortune to be in Alaska, where personal marijuana use is a privacy right under the state constitution. She didn??t face arrest for her personal use in her youth. Had she been arrested, she??d have a criminal drug conviction on her record. That would have made it much more difficult for her to become mayor or governor - instead of VP nominee Palin, she??d be PTA Hockey Mom Palin still scratching out a living as a small-town Alaskan sportscaster.
Don??t think I??m giving the Democrats a pass on this, either. If Barack Obama had been arrested for his personal use of marijuana (and cocaine) in his youth, instead of the first African-American presidential nominee, he??d be Barry the Janitor.
Full story & more reading:
McCain’s VP Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling | NORML's Daily Audio Stash
Palin: She Inhaled, By Lisa Lerer - CBS News
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by flyingimam
"Palin has said she doesn??t support legalizing the drug, fearing the message it would send to her five children."
NORML's Podacast:
Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
And that message would be what, ??Don??t smoke marijuana kids, you might grow up to be mayor, governor, and a vice-presidential candidate some day?? Considering the unplanned pregnancy of the unmarried teenage daughter of the Alaska governor who would outlaw all abortions, even in cases of rape, incest, or the mother??s health in danger, this Alaska governor who would mandate abstinence-only sexual education for your kids needs to work on her own messaging to her kids before she casts aspersions on the message of legalized marijuana.
Sarah Palin had the good fortune to be in Alaska, where personal marijuana use is a privacy right under the state constitution. She didn??t face arrest for her personal use in her youth. Had she been arrested, she??d have a criminal drug conviction on her record. That would have made it much more difficult for her to become mayor or governor - instead of VP nominee Palin, she??d be PTA Hockey Mom Palin still scratching out a living as a small-town Alaskan sportscaster.
Don??t think I??m giving the Democrats a pass on this, either. If Barack Obama had been arrested for his personal use of marijuana (and cocaine) in his youth, instead of the first African-American presidential nominee, he??d be Barry the Janitor.
Full story & more reading:
McCain??s VP Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling | NORML's Daily Audio Stash
Palin: She Inhaled, By Lisa Lerer - CBS News
So you're saying that people can't try marijuana in their youth and believe it's bad when they're an adult? Maybe her experience wasn't so good with it.
I want legalization for cannabis but I don't think this makes her a hypocrite.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by daihashi
So you're saying that people can't try marijuana in their youth and believe it's bad when they're an adult? Maybe her experience wasn't so good with it.
I want legalization for cannabis but I don't think this makes her a hypocrite.
"I" didnt say a word of mine here, just passed along an article :P
u may want to comment on original page
but to me she is a hypocrite anyways, not just cuz of this, but cuz of other things as well.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
I hate everything about palin..all her views seem so fucked up to me but this is not the place for me to discuss that..
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by flyingimam
"I" didnt say a word of mine here, just passed along an article :P
u may want to comment on original page
but to me she is a hypocrite anyways, not just cuz of this, but cuz of other things as well.
If sticking by your beliefs, even in times where things don't go as you planned or wanted, makes you hypocrite then I guess she is. :hippy:
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
What I fear is that McCain Dies and Palin becomes Preisident....Her Views on a lot of things are far too Right.....Think about it,One thing we all want is a Government That Functions!!! If McCain/Palin is Prez then the Dems will go into "Disable Mode" in other words Nothing Will Get Done!
If Obama Wins The GOP will do the same,
The problem is that all of this country has become so Partisan/Divided along "Party" lines that nothing is getting Done!!!!!
I pay these people to get something done....WELL FRICKIN DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BASH THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by The Figment
I pay these people to get something done....WELL FRICKIN DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BASH THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!
EXACTLY!!
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by The Figment
If McCain/Palin is Prez then the Dems will go into "Disable Mode" in other words Nothing Will Get Done!
If Obama Wins The GOP will do the same,
The problem is that all of this country has become so Partisan/Divided along "Party" lines that nothing is getting Done!!!!!
is this such a bad thing? the less they do, the less they can screw up and the less of our freedoms can be taken away in the process. the worst case scenario is that obama is elected along with an overwhelmingly democrat congress. there would be nothing to hinder these idiots from enacting an almost immediate amnesty for illegals, raising our taxes through the roof and forming any number of panels and bureaucratic committees to discuss how best to waste the taxpayers' money on more of their ill conceived handouts. a balance may slow change, but it is needed to keep the nutcases from any one party from taking over the whole damn asylum and driving us all insane.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by The Figment
What I fear is that McCain Dies and Palin becomes Preisident....Her Views on a lot of things are far too Right.....Think about it,One thing we all want is a Government That Functions!!! If McCain/Palin is Prez then the Dems will go into "Disable Mode" in other words Nothing Will Get Done!
If Obama Wins The GOP will do the same,
The problem is that all of this country has become so Partisan/Divided along "Party" lines that nothing is getting Done!!!!!
I pay these people to get something done....WELL FRICKIN DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BASH THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!
You realize that congress itself hasn't done crap in the last 3 years or so? It's democratic majority with approval ratings lower than Bush. Instead of blaming a party just because it starts with an R why don't you look at the situation for what it is.
Politicians on both sides are screwing us over.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
I think she's hypocrite. SHe's tried smoking, maybe she didn't like it but that doesn't give her the right to tell someone else that they can't smoke. That makes you a hypocrite.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
"You realize that congress itself hasn't done crap in the last 3 years or so? It's democratic majority with approval ratings lower than Bush."
and it did not do much good the 5 years before that. If you read over the Figments post, you may see that he was saying,
"The problem is that all of this country has become so Partisan/Divided along "Party" lines that nothing is getting Done!!!!!
I pay these people to get something done....WELL FRICKIN DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BASH THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!"
That to me is a complaint about both sides. It seems some folks are so entrenched in "their" parties that even when someone shares an idea that people are agreed on, they are met with a dispute. Such is the nature of politics.
The funniest thing about this forum is that probably 99% of the people on here are so involved they have their views and minds made up. Hence they even have the interest to post on a forum telling people what the REAL facts are!:)........this forum needs a lot more of this:jointsmile: and this:D
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
Quoting from CBS link
"Palin has said she doesn't support legalizing the drug, fearing the message it would send to her five children."
1st: She doesnt have to support "legalization" a mere decriminalization is by itself good enough in this traditionally conservative pool of people we live in.
2nd: A parent will teach their children what they think is right and good for them, how is that she thinks the government policy will override her teachings, something wrong there?
3rd: She smoked and inhaled weed as she has admitted to it herself, we dont know and cant know if she enjoyed it or not for fact! we probably cant even find out how long she smoked it or if it was just once. come on! anyone can smoke in secrecy alone and cover all signs and later say i didnt enjoy it and denounce it.
promoting Personal Liberty, meaning whatever i do in my private as long as it doesnt hurt any1 else's life or property is my own damn matter and nonna governments business (or anyone else's 4 that matter), is never a wrong message to send to any1's children. in fact that is the best message a righteous politician can send to their children. but if she thinks her children would have a different perception and understanding from such a message, then i highly doubt she has done any good parenting short of baseless idealistic brainwashing in regards with this subject... I think she fears it will make her children hate her as a parent! lol
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
The problem with anyone that inhales and does it for the fun of it: They can never understand the difference between need (for medical users) and greed!
There is a big difference! I hate to have to use it or take a pill either! PR:jointsmile:
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by daihashi
You realize that congress itself hasn't done crap in the last 3 years or so? It's democratic majority with approval ratings lower than Bush. Instead of blaming a party just because it starts with an R why don't you look at the situation for what it is.
Politicians on both sides are screwing us over.
I'm not (at the moment anyways,lol) bashing Dems or The GOP....I'm lamenting the fact that as a country as a whole we have allowed ourselves to go down the path of "Divided We Fail".
History Proves that when a Country unifies in its Politics/Purpose it can become Quite the force to be reckoned with....be it for good or bad,some examples....
Roman Empire
Crusades
1st Dynasty China
Napoleon's France
The British Commonwealth of the 1800's
Nazi Germany
Soviet Russia/USSR
Post WWI and WWII America
Before anyone Freaks Out....These are only examples of Country/Purpose/Politics unifying millions of people ot make a change in human history....For good or bad.
We are at a point in human history (The next 100 years) where we as a Race of people HAVE to start to Fix some of the Problems that plague the planet.
1 Global Warming.....I don't care weather or not Humans are Responsible for Global Warming,Common sense tells us that with a increasing planetary Population we better get started NOW on developing Technology/Techniques to deal with CO2 Emissions Worldwide!
2. Health/AIDS This is a no Brainer
3 Energy...Again a no brainer.....Refer to #1, swap "CO2 Emissions" with "Clean Energy Sources/Renewable Fuels.
One thing I keep hearing is "U.S.A." or "Yes We Can" Well we will see.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
More hypocrisy from a right wing wacko. Keep regurgitating that drugs are bad rhetoric, it's very effective..
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by daihashi
So you're saying that people can't try marijuana in their youth and believe it's bad when they're an adult? Maybe her experience wasn't so good with it.
I want legalization for cannabis but I don't think this makes her a hypocrite.
yeah, ultimately all it means is that she's ignorant of the facts, and not able to think far enough outside the box to realize that marijuana is as natural as it raining, or the sun shining, and given that, it's far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol in it's natural form.
And apparently she'd rather send the message to her kids that cigarettes and alcohol are okay because they're legal or something..Age old excuse..Oh, the children. It would be better to send a message of common sense.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by Markass
yeah, ultimately all it means is that she's ignorant of the facts, and not able to think far enough outside the box to realize that marijuana is as natural as it raining, or the sun shining, and given that, it's far less harmful than tobacco or alcohol in it's natural form.
And apparently she'd rather send the message to her kids that cigarettes and alcohol are okay because they're legal or something..Age old excuse..Oh, the children. It would be better to send a message of common sense.
Ugh.. I won't even touch this one
Everyone here is so pro marijuana (so am I) that they don't even use common sense anymore...
She has 5 kids.. that's all I have to say, if you can't figure out why that would be her stance then I have nothing to say.
Ignorance, yes because the definition of ignorance is being uneducated in a subject, but a hypocrite no. In regards to alcohol and cigarettes; you would have to condemn every politician in power for that so don't use that to try to exemplify hypocrisy.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by daihashi
Ugh.. I won't even touch this one
Everyone here is so pro marijuana (so am I) that they don't even use common sense anymore...
She has 5 kids.. that's all I have to say, if you can't figure out why that would be her stance then I have nothing to say.
Ignorance, yes because the definition of ignorance is being uneducated in a subject, but a hypocrite no. In regards to alcohol and cigarettes; you would have to condemn every politician in power for that so don't use that to try to exemplify hypocrisy.
If you think weed is so safe, what is the problem with letting her kids smoke it if they choose at a reasonable age of course? I can see the problem with Alcohol and cigarettes but, weed?
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by apocolips31
If you think weed is so safe, what is the problem with letting her kids smoke it if they choose at a reasonable age of course? I can see the problem with Alcohol and cigarettes but, weed?
It's not my belief that's being question. The point is she tried weed, thought it was bad, has kids... it's not unusual for her and many parents to not want to advocate for the legalization of marijuana.
Do I agree with it, No, do I understand where she might be coming from due to ignorance.. yes.
And again you bring up alcohol and cigarettes. You would have to blame the majority of the united states. Remember even though we're part of a pro cannabis community it can be easy to forget that we're in the minority here, not them. It doesn't make it just, but the majority will always rule over the minority.
All I'm saying here people is use some common sense before you judge someone. There's been nearly 100 years of anti marijuana propaganda. Do you honestly wonder why she would be against the use of Marijuana.
Again I do not agree with her stance, but I understand her position.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
I think that being pro pot is a big indication of having common sense...
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by Markass
I think that being pro pot is a big indication of having common sense...
No offense, but no it's not. Cannabis does not make the world go round and cannabis does not give you common sense. Being supportive of cannabis does not give you common sense either.
Here is the definition of common sense from Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online
common sense
Main Entry:
common sense
Function:
noun
Date:
1726
: sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts
You perceive it one way.. she perceives it another. The difference is that you refuse to try to understand why she might feel that way. The only way to try to address a difference in perception is to address your representative and give your thoughts/explanations.
But honestly 3/4 of the people on this board won't even get off their ass to do that.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by flyingimam
And that message would be what, ??Don??t smoke marijuana kids, you might grow up to be mayor, governor, and a vice-presidential candidate some day?? [/url]
Because we all know that people who smoke marijuana never do anything with their lives :wtf:
With the invention of the internet, there is no excuse to be ignorant. Palin is a fool if she cannot spend a few minutes researching something before she takes a stance on the issue. Perhaps, if she was an intelligent person, she would have researched cannabis before she put it into her body the first time.
Unless she already knew it was harmless... which would make her a hypocrite and a liar, while subtly implying to her kids that alcohol and tobacco are acceptable.
This leaves only two options: she is a lazy fool OR she is a hypocrite/corrupter of the youth
peace :rastasmoke:
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by flyingimam
Quoting from CBS link
"Palin has said she doesn't support legalizing the drug, fearing the message it would send to her five children."
1st: She doesnt have to support "legalization" a mere decriminalization is by itself good enough in this traditionally conservative pool of people we live in.
What's wrong with not supporting it. It's her right. Obama is against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act
Here is an excerpt from the washington post: Michael Gerson - Obama's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com
But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.
So everyone tell me, what is more bothering.. the fact that someone says that you can't smoke Marijuana that you're going to smoke anyway regardless of the laws, or someone saying that a baby that is born alive during an abortion has to be killed.
The only reason I brought up this example (which was not for you in particular but rather other posters) was to show where people's priorities are. People on here are complaining about not being able to legally smoke Cannabis and Obama is criticizing the partial birth ban. I think it should be conditional (based upon the likelihood of survival and the health of the child), but Obama doesn't believe in conditions and believes it should be the womans right to kill the child even if it is born breathing and it's heart beating on it's own.
Personally I can tolerate someone telling me it's illegal for me to smoke over someone telling me it's ok to kill pre-mature babies that are born living and breathing due to failed abortions.
Don't want to hurt the child? Put the baby up for adoption.
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2nd: A parent will teach their children what they think is right and good for them, how is that she thinks the government policy will override her teachings, something wrong there?
Well let's bring this back to sex education. Why is it ok for the school system to impose something on kids their parents may not even want? It's a similar situation but in reverse.
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3rd: She smoked and inhaled weed as she has admitted to it herself, we dont know and cant know if she enjoyed it or not for fact! we probably cant even find out how long she smoked it or if it was just once. come on! anyone can smoke in secrecy alone and cover all signs and later say i didnt enjoy it and denounce it.
We don't actually know except that she said she didn't enjoy it. Believe it or not there are a good number of people who don't enjoy smoking pot. Again, did you ever do anything in your teenage years or when you were younger only to think when you were much older that there was no way in hell you would do that again and you were stupid for trying?
I know there are a few in my past. This is where Sarah Palin is coming from.
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promoting Personal Liberty, meaning whatever i do in my private as long as it doesnt hurt any1 else's life or property is my own damn matter and nonna governments business (or anyone else's 4 that matter), is never a wrong message to send to any1's children. in fact that is the best message a righteous politician can send to their children. but if she thinks her children would have a different perception and understanding from such a message, then i highly doubt she has done any good parenting short of baseless idealistic brainwashing in regards with this subject... I think she fears it will make her children hate her as a parent! lol
So do you believe in actual personal liberty, or just when it comes to smoking cannabis? Because many of the social programs in this country are designed in a way to where we actually lose liberty.
So which is it? government stay out of our lives or let the politicians make policies that they think are for the best for the MAJORITY of the population?
Because if you say they should mind their own business, then you would have to apply this to many other situations as well to services that you may support. Personally I feel the government is in our business way too much; but I understand her point of view and do not fault her for it (I simply strongly disagree with her views, but not fault).
Everyone here is so gung ho about cannabis they don't even stop to think for a second "hey, why might she feel that way." and then actually write her to give her your thoughts.
It's one thing to bitch and complain and do nothing like so many people do, it's another to get off your ass and be pro-active about it.
I mean honestly is Marijuana what we're going to get our panties in a wad? With more and more states becoming pro MMJ I don't feel that this is as serious of an issue as everyone thinks. We've made advances by leaps in bounds in the last 10 years and will continue to do so. We've had anti-marijuana propaganda for the last 100 years, it's going to take time to get EVERYONE to understand.
The Civil rights movement didn't happen overnight either. Be patient and be pro-active if you want to advocate change otherwise I feel people honestly have no room to criticize others on how they view Marijuana.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
It's worth noting that Obama retracted his support for deciminalizing Marijuana a while back; so would you rather someone stick by their beliefs or have someone who says one thing and then flakes out on you? He has also admitted to smoking.
Washington Times - Obama flip-flops on pot
For instance, in MSNBC's Oct. 30 presidential debate, Mr. Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare that he opposed decriminalizing marijuana.
In 2004 he supported it.. go figure :hippy:
Why is no one here jumping on him for that?
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
when I see things like this, and then hear the conservatives calling liberals 'fascists,' it makes me so damn mad. These are the people who are the fascists, who think that their way of life and set of morals are so damn great, that they can force them on the rest of the country. It's people like this, who want to tell women what to do with their bodies, who want to censor important information about sex given to our youth (and prevent teen pregnancies and by extension, abortions), who think they can decide who can marry who, the people that want to deny people their medicine based on outdated lies, and who are wasting taxpayer dollars jailing innocent people, that scare me more than the terrorists, because at the end of the day, fanaticism in any of its forms is a dangerous thing.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by MIDNIGHTspecial
when I see things like this, and then hear the conservatives calling liberals 'fascists,' it makes me so damn mad. These are the people who are the fascists, who think that their way of life and set of morals are so damn great, that they can force them on the rest of the country. It's people like this, who want to tell women what to do with their bodies, who want to censor important information about sex given to our youth (and prevent teen pregnancies and by extension, abortions), who think they can decide who can marry who, the people that want to deny people their medicine based on outdated lies, and who are wasting taxpayer dollars jailing innocent people, that scare me more than the terrorists, because at the end of the day, fanaticism in any of its forms is a dangerous thing.
It happens on both sides. Use your other hand that's not pointing the finger to the right and use it to point your finger to the left. The problem is neither left nor right but rather the 2 party system.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
It would behoove Ms Palin too be very careful stating her veiws on issue's KARMA carries a big Hammer, it would be just like karma to make one of her grandchildren autistic/bi-polar/add/rages and making the only medicine that will work, yup you guessed it Medical Marijuana. I think congrees needs to sit down and realize that it is the only medicine in alot of severe cases that works ! Expesially in children , have you got Mental Health problems ? have you tried MMJ yet ! there are so many parents and families that are treating their children and been saved by this miracle drug, she should be thaking god for creating and making LEGAL. I vote no for her and I believe you guys are rite she is a hypocrite, funny thing I know a few old people who are like her they smoked weed bought & sold too make $$$ when they were younger and know they are rich and denounce it, what a crock of shit, they will lie and say anything too fit their own agenda. thats what a con-artist does, she knows THC is a blessing & and a valid drug for several treatments, its the pharmacutical companies controlling everyone to get rich they will put anything in a pill and sell it too get filthy stinking rich they are no more than mere street scum scum of the earth , LEGALIZE your 8 yr old childs medicine know!
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
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Originally Posted by daihashi
It happens on both sides. Use your other hand that's not pointing the finger to the right and use it to point your finger to the left. The problem is neither left nor right but rather the 2 party system.
well put. I understand fully what you're saying, and yes, I'm willing to grant that neither side is perfect. My problem is the restricting and constricting control that they want to have over everybody, which wouldn't be a problem if they stepped off their moral high horse and realized that what people do in their own homes is their business, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.
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Originally Posted by MIDNIGHTspecial
well put. I understand fully what you're saying, and yes, I'm willing to grant that neither side is perfect. My problem is the restricting and constricting control that they want to have over everybody, which wouldn't be a problem if they stepped off their moral high horse and realized that what people do in their own homes is their business, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.
The problem is not necessarily the law itself or congress telling us what to do... fact of the matter is that as long as Marijuana maintains the negative stigma that has been looming above it for nearly the last century then it is possible that even if you smoke it in your own home that you could be hurting somebody. Not on a physical level but perhaps a child on a mental or emotional level. When everyone makes fun of pot heads or thinks that people who smoke pot are lazy and stupid then it stands to reason that if a kid comes home to that then it could be uncomfortable with the child.
This is where good parenting should come in and teach the kid that there is nothing wrong with marijuana; but when everyone is in your face telling you it's bad then it's hard to believe otherwise even if your parents tell you it's not.
The real problem here is with Marijuana activism. We are not out in the public enough, our voices are not heard enough, we do not physically go out and battle legislation ourselves.
Until we can show people that marijuana users are not the stereo types that you would have them believe; I think we will have difficulty getting anything approved. Regardless of what type of congress we have.
We need to show them marijuana users are responsible. How many pro-marijuana rallies has anyone been to?
How many pro-marijuana rallies has anyone been to that did not involve breaking the law by smoking pot on the premises or listening to a bunch of rock bands but rather listen to a real advocate for marijuana give a speech outlining all the negative things (including impact to local economy (not talking about drug sales... talking about tax use and time lost on the job for being incarcerated, albeit indirectly).
To be fair, when I hear most marijuana users try to explain why it should be legal I just shake my head because it's so drowned full of bias it's disgusting. It's no wonder various people don't take us seriously; many people who argue it don't try to present it from a neutral point of view.
Until we can eliminate the stereotype/stigma we have then there will always be reason to believe that you may be harming someone else by smoking pot.
And until we can learn to present our arguments from a neutral point of view I doubt the government will take us seriously from a total decriminalization standpoint.
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Palin inhaled, but still wants to jail you for inhaling
My main problem with all this is that, while I respect a persons right to change their personal opinion on anything based on info or circumstance... we are not electing leaders so that they can make decisions for us. While someone is offered the right to feel a certain way on a topic, that is not grounds to force that ideal on the rest of the country. We elect leaders to represent the people. We need them to enact policies that will make our country better AS A WHOLE. Whether she believes in same sex marriage or abortion should not be involved in her decision making process. It is her responsibility to teach her children about EVERY negative aspect of life. Things like poor eating habits, stress management, substance abuse, non-violence... etc. People need to realize that YES, you can have your beliefs... but if you are in a position of power to make decisions that could ruin the lives of good people, that should not be a factor.
YES, she may have come to dislike the way Cannabis affected her and wants to set a good example for her children. FINE! She should spend quality time teaching her children that ANY substance abuse (alcohol, tobacco, fatty food, diet pills, Cannabis, etc) will possibly play a negative role in their development. There is a major difference between teaching your children appropriate, healthy, productive behavior.... and supporting a Federal law that puts thousands of good people in jail for possession. We do not elect officials to make decisions FOR us. We elect them to support OUR decisions. An overwhelming majority of CITIZENS (not politicians) believe Cannabis should be Federally decriminalized. To ignore that because you fear that your child may make poor decisions in the future is despicable... no matter who you are.
To me, this IS a very serious issue. It's not only because I have found something that subsides symptoms I have been dealing with for over 10 years... saving me tens of thousands of dollars in future medical treatments or lost time at work, school, and my personal life. It is also because, at a young age, I was facing over 15 years in a State facility for possession of what I needed for personal use. Since there was obviously zero tolerance for anything, and I required a lot for personal use, I surpassed the limit for a felony. I was not able to receive financial aid for college until the age of 25 and was fully searched during even minor traffic stops by the State Police. I have never used Cannabis as a money making tool... I do not encourage young people to use it... I respect others privacy and do not smoke around anyone that feels uncomfortable with it... I do not operate a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence... and I do not use illegal activities to fund my supply of personal Cannabis. I also volunteer and hold a 4.0 GPA and love my mother.
The fact that a person wants to put me in prison for what I have listed above makes me sick. I don't care WHO the politician is. It is a basic argument. The primitive thinking that is involved in believing that Cannabis prohibition is a benefit to society makes me question ANYONE that chooses to support it. Not only does it show a complete lack of knowledge on substance abuse, medical studies and proven application, and the economic strain the "War on Cannabis" is putting on society... but it makes me question their ability to make other decisions that are supposed to make this world better for YOU and ME.
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My main problem with all this is that, while I respect a persons right to change their personal opinion on anything based on info or circumstance... we are not electing leaders so that they can make decisions for us. While someone is offered the right to feel a certain way on a topic, that is not grounds to force that ideal on the rest of the country. We elect leaders to represent the people. We need them to enact policies that will make our country better AS A WHOLE. Whether she believes in same sex marriage or abortion should not be involved in her decision making process. It is her responsibility to teach her children about EVERY negative aspect of life. Things like poor eating habits, stress management, substance abuse, non-violence... etc. People need to realize that YES, you can have your beliefs... but if you are in a position of power to make decisions that could ruin the lives of good people, that should not be a factor.
That is true, but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us? Whether you acknowledge it or not there are always going to be people on both sides of the fence of an issue.
You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
So what makes her wrong... because you don't believe in it? It's unfortunate but it's the majority that matters, not specifically you. I believe the majority of America still views marijuana negatively. If it did not we would not have pre-employment drug testing or the stereo types that are looming around today.
Politicians will never please all of the people therefore a sect will always feel as if they have been wronged.
We are still in the minority here.
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YES, she may have come to dislike the way Cannabis affected her and wants to set a good example for her children. FINE! She should spend quality time teaching her children that ANY substance abuse (alcohol, tobacco, fatty food, diet pills, Cannabis, etc) will possibly play a negative role in their development. There is a major difference between teaching your children appropriate, healthy, productive behavior.... and supporting a Federal law that puts thousands of good people in jail for possession. We do not elect officials to make decisions FOR us. We elect them to support OUR decisions. An overwhelming majority of CITIZENS (not politicians) believe Cannabis should be Federally decriminalized. To ignore that because you fear that your child may make poor decisions in the future is despicable... no matter who you are.
I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so. At the democratic presidential debates on October 30th they were all asked to raise their hands if they opposed decriminalizing marijuana... everyone raised their hand including current Democrat Presidential nominee Barack Obama.
All politicians are making decisions for the people.
And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.
Who Supports Marijuana Legalization?
You shouldn't post your own personal beliefs as fact for the remainder of the population.
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To me, this IS a very serious issue. It's not only because I have found something that subsides symptoms I have been dealing with for over 10 years... saving me tens of thousands of dollars in future medical treatments or lost time at work, school, and my personal life. It is also because, at a young age, I was facing over 15 years in a State facility for possession of what I needed for personal use. Since there was obviously zero tolerance for anything, and I required a lot for personal use, I surpassed the limit for a felony. I was not able to receive financial aid for college until the age of 25 and was fully searched during even minor traffic stops by the State Police. I have never used Cannabis as a money making tool... I do not encourage young people to use it... I respect others privacy and do not smoke around anyone that feels uncomfortable with it... I do not operate a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence... and I do not use illegal activities to fund my supply of personal Cannabis. I also volunteer and hold a 4.0 GPA and love my mother.
We are all in the same boat. We all use cannabis whether it's to help with illness, diseases, symptoms, anxiety, relaxation or recreation... no matter the reason we are all in the same boat. Fact of the matter is that WE are aware it is illegal so WE bare the burden of responsibility.
If we want reform we need to show responsibility.. we need to show that marijuana use is not a problem.
I feel for you, I truely do, I almost got pinched in a similar situation but my bulldog lawyer saved my ass. Point is that we know we're breaking the law and accept the consequence that comes along with that.
Where I live more than 2oz is a felony, so if I ever drive and I'm carrying, I always make sure I'm well below that amount and ideally try to ride with less than 2grams since that is just a class c misdemeanor here.
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The fact that a person wants to put me in prison for what I have listed above makes me sick. I don't care WHO the politician is. It is a basic argument. The primitive thinking that is involved in believing that Cannabis prohibition is a benefit to society makes me question ANYONE that chooses to support it. Not only does it show a complete lack of knowledge on substance abuse, medical studies and proven application, and the economic strain the "War on Cannabis" is putting on society... but it makes me question their ability to make other decisions that are supposed to make this world better for YOU and ME.
It's not just politicians. It's 60% of the United states. Like I said Marijuana has a huge image problem that we need to change. I know that we are very intelligent thinkers and I personally try to change that image as much as possible through donations to activist groups, writing my local and state politicians, and having in depth conversation with people who I know are against Marijuana legalization. Usually they're set in their views but I've pulled a few over onto our side in the process.
I do want to make the world better for you and me, I just want to do it the fastest way possible and the fastest way is by changing the stigma that hangs over us marijuana smokers.
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It seems that in dissecting my post the point was lost. The only reason I even included Gov. Palin in my reasoning is because of the thread topic and her recent media coverage. She has been in this election process for a very short time. I KNOW we have yet to get the necessary info to judge her.
Do you really think I don't understand that politicians make decisions for us? I am saying that we shouldn't allow it. It isn't what our government was designed to do. I understand that you can't expect a tool to do something it wasn't designed for. Our government was not created for it to just work and create change by itself. It requires the dedicated involvement of citizens to ensure that the basic principles of Democracy are put first. My point is that it IS creating change by itself. Which makes zero sense in relation to actual Democracy.
Yeah... majority rules. Does THAT make it "right?" I'm sure that the 10 guys who decided to sexually assault some girl were all in agreement. So, that's fine... because "majority rules." I understand that this is a graphic example... but it seems like that is the only way to really explain the logic behind things nowadays.
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I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so.
My point exactly. Why is it that her beliefs (or anyone in Government) are more valid than mine? This is what I don't get. It's like journalism. They absolutely have a right to believe that they want. When it comes to their JOB... they need to put that aside. Which they refuse to do... news and government alike.
We always hear about what politicians are SAYING to us. I want to know what politicians are LISTENING to us.
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And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.
Sorry... I wasn't aware that "legalization" and "decriminalization" were the same thing. I'll be sure to look that up next time.
Time/CNN Poll: Majority of Americans Support Medical Marijuana For Patients, Decriminalization For Adults<BR>Support For Legalization Rises To 40 Percent - More Than Doubling Since 1986 - NORML
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but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us?
I may seem like I am supporting Obama by pointing out things about Gov. Palin... BUT this isn't a "name the politicians that do their jobs" thread. This is a thread about Gov. Palin and HER view on Cannabis law. We always try to spin things. Since I discuss what I disagree with about Palin.. it means I support Obama? :wtf: I KNOW Barack went back on his stance. This is a thread about Palin.
Oh yeah.... Ron Paul is about as close to pro-liberty that I have heard about.
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Originally Posted by daihashi
That is true, but please point out 1 politician who is not making decisions for us? Whether you acknowledge it or not there are always going to be people on both sides of the fence of an issue.
You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
So what makes her wrong... because you don't believe in it? It's unfortunate but it's the majority that matters, not specifically you. I believe the majority of America still views marijuana negatively. If it did not we would not have pre-employment drug testing or the stereo types that are looming around today.
Politicians will never please all of the people therefore a sect will always feel as if they have been wronged.
We are still in the minority here.
I totally agree with you, but in her mind she believes she is doing what is best not only for her children but citizens. It is what she believes, stands by and is not the only one to do so. At the democratic presidential debates on October 30th they were all asked to raise their hands if they opposed decriminalizing marijuana... everyone raised their hand including current Democrat Presidential nominee Barack Obama.
All politicians are making decisions for the people.
And I don't know where you're getting "overwhelming majority".. you're wrong. As of Oct. 2005 36% of Americans said it should be legal and 60% of Americans said it should remain illegal.
Who Supports Marijuana Legalization?
You shouldn't post your own personal beliefs as fact for the remainder of the population.
We are all in the same boat. We all use cannabis whether it's to help with illness, diseases, symptoms, anxiety, relaxation or recreation... no matter the reason we are all in the same boat. Fact of the matter is that WE are aware it is illegal so WE bare the burden of responsibility.
If we want reform we need to show responsibility.. we need to show that marijuana use is not a problem.
I feel for you, I truly do, I almost got pinched in a similar situation but my bulldog lawyer saved my ass. Point is that we know we're breaking the law and accept the consequence that comes along with that.
Where I live more than 2oz is a felony, so if I ever drive and I'm carrying, I always make sure I'm well below that amount and ideally try to ride with less than 2grams since that is just a class c misdemeanor here.
It's not just politicians. It's 60% of the United states. Like I said Marijuana has a huge image problem that we need to change. I know that we are very intelligent thinkers and I personally try to change that image as much as possible through donations to activist groups, writing my local and state politicians, and having in depth conversation with people who I know are against Marijuana legalization. Usually they're set in their views but I've pulled a few over onto our side in the process.
I do want to make the world better for you and me, I just want to do it the fastest way possible and the fastest way is by changing the stigma that hangs over us marijuana smokers.
You are objective, fair, and realistic. Thank you, I hope that others will start to realize what you are saying, and when they do, they will begin to do themselves a great service, as well as help make a POSITIVE gain in the cannabis movement.:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:
If advocates of cannabis want progress, we need to be perceived as mature, responsible, and respectful of everyone else, regardless of their personal views on cannabis.
As for Palin,
despite her personal views on cannabis, she was the top law enforcement officer in Alaska as the Governor, if she had a fanatical opposing view on cannabis, would she have ever tried it? Would she not have made criminalizing it in Alaska a top priority? Maybe, just maybe, despite her personal views, she respects individual freedom too. Maybe not. Who knows.
I know this, she has stated her opinion on the matter, and it won't change depending on the crowd she is speaking to, or depending on when you ask her, if she is on national t.v, or at a public non-televised event. She has integrity, is far from a hypocrite, and by being honest, I believe she actually has more respect for "us", than those candidates that will lie to your face then go on national t.v., and stab you in the back. Or make it a "commonly known" position that they support cannabis, but do not make mention, not even one word on their campaign website at all, or do their best to talk around the issue, like another former candidate. People like this are taking advantage of you, have no respect for you or your opinion, and are using you. Most honestly don't realize this, or don't want to accept it. All the while, extreme left wing political groups "take up the cause," in an effort to rally support for their political candidates that have NO INTENTION to EVER do anything for you on this issue.
All of this, just my opinion. Based on years of observation. At the current rate, I will have years and years more of observation to re-enforce this mans opinion, while the blind masses continue to rant, take up the all of the liberal left's causes for the sake of hoping to advance their own single political issue, and are used by them without even knowing it.
Sad.:(
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It seems that in dissecting my post the point was lost. The only reason I even included Gov. Palin in my reasoning is because of the thread topic and her recent media coverage. She has been in this election process for a very short time. I KNOW we have yet to get the necessary info to judge her.
No I got your point entirely. I disected it to point out your eagerness to point blame outside ourselves when the majority of Americans don't want marijuana legal.
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Do you really think I don't understand that politicians make decisions for us? I am saying that we shouldn't allow it. It isn't what our government was designed to do. I understand that you can't expect a tool to do something it wasn't designed for. Our government was not created for it to just work and create change by itself. It requires the dedicated involvement of citizens to ensure that the basic principles of Democracy are put first. My point is that it IS creating change by itself. Which makes zero sense in relation to actual Democracy.
We're a republic, not a democracy. I believe you are confused.
Here is a good article that actually gives you a better insight into the type of government we have. Yes we're a democracy, but no we're really not; at least not in the true sense of the word.
ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?
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Yeah... majority rules. Does THAT make it "right?" I'm sure that the 10 guys who decided to sexually assault some girl were all in agreement. So, that's fine... because "majority rules." I understand that this is a graphic example... but it seems like that is the only way to really explain the logic behind things nowadays.
No it doesn't make it right and I never said it did. The fact is that you cannot please 100% of the people all of the time, so you have to please the majority. 60% of Americans want Marijuana to remain illegal.
I fail to see your comparison of a violent crime to marijuana. Pick a better analogy next time.
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My point exactly. Why is it that her beliefs (or anyone in Government) are more valid than mine? This is what I don't get. It's like journalism. They absolutely have a right to believe that they want. When it comes to their JOB... they need to put that aside. Which they refuse to do... news and government alike.
They do need to represent their constituents you're right, but it seemto me with a 60% American base that wants Marijuana to remain illegal that they are representing their constituents.
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We always hear about what politicians are SAYING to us. I want to know what politicians are LISTENING to us.
You mean to tell me that during your politically aware lifetime that no politician has done something the people have asked for?
No offense. I appreciate what NORML stands for but I would never use their data as reference. It's an obvious skewed source of information as they are advocates for the cause that they put out this data for (plus time didn't source it's polling info/demographic). Gallup has been conducting polls on marijuana since the 1960s and I would believe to be a more accurate representation.
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I may seem like I am supporting Obama by pointing out things about Gov. Palin... BUT this isn't a "name the politicians that do their jobs" thread. This is a thread about Gov. Palin and HER view on Cannabis law. We always try to spin things. Since I discuss what I disagree with about Palin.. it means I support Obama? :wtf: I KNOW Barack went back on his stance. This is a thread about Palin.
I don't think I ever said you support Obama. Why are your feathers all ruffled about? The point is that if you want to bash Palin then you can't ignore that this happens on both sides which no one is mentioning. The problem is not isolated to her and the story is a perfect example of media trying to draw viewers to the TV for the shock factor just because this is a presidential election.
We should be holding people accountable on a day to day basis. However everyone in here is only aware or discussing this because she is running for the VP ticket, why don't we talk about one of the other numerous politicians who do the exact things that we've been complaining about in this thread.
1 person is not the root of all evil and if people acknowledge her then they need to acknowledge everyone else that does it too otherwise you lose focus.
Everyone is berating her as if she did something that was horrible when 60% of Americans would disagree with you.
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Oh yeah.... Ron Paul is about as close to pro-liberty that I have heard about.
Ron Paul is the man I wanted.
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You are objective, fair, and realistic. Thank you, I hope that others will start to realize what you are saying, and when they do, they will begin to do themselves a great service, as well as help make a POSITIVE gain in the cannabis movement.:thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:
Well if history repeats itself they'll just label me a religious conservative right winger who wants to impose his own zealous agenda on you (even though I'm an Agnostic Pragmatic kind of libertarian.. lol)
Personally I thought I was fairly neutral in that post and realistic as well but it seems The Metal took it as me picking on him.
I've given up people having a realistic point of view on these forums when it comes to Marijuana laws. All they know is they want their pot and they want it now, they don't care about the logistics of it all or the proper avenue we should be taking to expedite decriminalizing/legalizing marijuana. This is very frustrating to me.
We won't have any hope of legalization until we change the image that marijuana has. The problem is that most people who smoke pot don't think that marijuana has a bad image but what they don't realize is that it's not what we think of ourselves that matters it's what the rest of the country thinks of marijuana users.
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This is pointless. I am talking about ideas in the context of our current government system. You are talking about who is better for this election. Okay... we are a Republic. Can somebody give me back the time I spent in school learning about our Democratic system of government then? I realize that being fed the wrong information for 15+ years by teachers is not an excuse to be unfamiliar with our current system... but forgive me for having to be in the hospital 5 months out of each year. It sucks that I can't follow current events with tubes in my throat and pieces being removed from my stomach. I apologize that I haven't had the pleasure of formal education in the way our government works. How about you start a thread to catch me up to speed on how we can fix everything?
- now I just sound like a dick :jointsmile:
Okay... polls can be misleading depending on who is conducting them or presenting the results.
- Only NORML though.
And bashing Palin? Feathers ruffled? Yeah I'm really red in the face. Why don't you just tell me to calm down? Hahaha Should I take a time out? I fail to see how stating my opinion on a politicians views and how it differs can be called "bashing." Why can't we just discuss things? It's not an argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I tried to make it very clear that, while I involve Palin in the body of my text... it ISN'T ABOUT HER. I was trying to respond to the thread topic in relation to her stance. Sorry if I can't address everything wrong in the world inside this particular thread.
Of course SHE isn't the spearhead against Cannabis prohibition. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HER VIEWS ON CANNABIS. Why would I bring up everyone else that contributes to this mess? I don't have 5 months to spend typing.
This isn't personal. I understand that we ALL need to work towards appropriate Cannabis law by presenting a positive community image. Re-read what I claim to do in my other post. I can only control what I do... I can't use my precious and limited energy monitoring others conduct while using Cannabis.
And for the record I did not compare the use of Cannabis to violent crime. This is what I am talking about. We live in spin city. I said that the idea of it being okay to accept the practice of majority rules... simply because it is a majority... does not make it right or the best option for our citizens. That does not say Cannabis use is equal to a sexual assault. Just because you don't get my analogy... doesn't mean I need a new one.
I think I have to take some time off from these types of threads until "reliable" information is presented to the public. It seems like a big piss fest. I come to this site to enjoy myself and discuss the way Cannabis benefits my life. I may lack the formal knowledge to teach a course on government... but I can definitely school some people on buds and the culture.
Again, I completely expect you to take this personal... so I won't be offended if you do. I LOVE America and all of the people that live in this great country... including you.
See you all in the grow forum. I'm about 3 weeks away from something ferociously stinky :stoned:
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What's wrong with not supporting it. It's her right. Obama is against the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act
Here is an excerpt from the washington post:
Michael Gerson - Obama's Abortion Extremism - washingtonpost.com
But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.
So everyone tell me, what is more bothering.. the fact that someone says that you can't smoke Marijuana that you're going to smoke anyway regardless of the laws, or someone saying that a baby that is born alive during an abortion has to be killed.
Obama opposed the partial-birth abortion ban because there was no exception for saving the life of the mother. Fair enough?
Obama has said he voted against the Illinois senate bill because it was a poorly-written bill that the Republicans wrote in order to get the Democrats to vote against it. Then when election time came around, they could demonize Democrats for voting against this law. This kind of stuff is really common in party-controlled legislative bodies. The bill would have forced doctors to try to preserve the lives of aborted fetuses even if there was no chance of them living. And besides, Obama DID support the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which was a federal bill. The bill he opposed was a Illinois state bill.
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Originally Posted by TheMetal1
This is pointless. I am talking about ideas in the context of our current government system. You are talking about who is better for this election.
Point out where I ever said or implied that someone was better than the other in regards to Palins stance to Marijuana? I said be reasonable and look at both parties. If you jump on Palin then you need to give equal credit to all politicians involved that stop us.
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Okay... we are a Republic. Can somebody give me back the time I spent in school learning about our Democratic system of government then? I realize that being fed the wrong information for 15+ years by teachers is not an excuse to be unfamiliar with our current system... but forgive me for having to be in the hospital 5 months out of the year. It sucks that I can't follow current events with tubes in my throat and pieces being removed from my stomach. I apologize that I haven't had the pleasure of formal education in the way our government works. How about you start a thread to catch me up to speed on how we can fix everything?
I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school I was taught that we are a Republic. I've been out of school for the last 11 years now.
I'm also not sure what you being in the hospital has to do with anything. I'm sorry to hear about your situation but it doesn't have any relevance to whether the United States is a republic or democracy. It was founded as a republic and it is still a republic today. We have some forms of democracy in our government but in the end we are still a republic.
So I don't know what the need for sarcasm was. Just so you know just about everyone believes we are a democracy when we're not. Go and ask 10 people if we're a democracy and see what they say, I bet 8 out of 10 will. So I wasn't taking a jab at you by correcting you; I was trying to inform you of how our government does work and how they don't have to take our *individual* thoughts into account.. they have to take our *collective* thoughts into account.
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You did honestly.
Okay... polls can be misleading depending on who is conducting them or presenting the results.
- Only NORML though.
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And bashing Palin? Feathers ruffled? Yeah I'm really red in the face. Why don't you just tell me to calm down? Hahaha Should I take a time out? I fail to see how stating my opinion on a politicians views and how it differs can be called "bashing." Why can't we just discuss things? It's not an argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I tried to make it very clear that, while I involve Palin in the body of my text... it ISN'T ABOUT HER. I was trying to respond to the thread topic in relation to her stance. Sorry if I can't address everything wrong in the world inside this particular thread.
In case you haven't gotten through your head yet my first reply to you wasn't derragotory, it was supplementary. I have no idea why you seem so offended.
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Of course SHE isn't the spearhead against Cannabis prohibition. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT HER VIEWS ON CANNABIS. Why would I bring up everyone else that contributes to this mess? I don't have 5 months to spend typing.
But just a second ago you said that you only mentioned Palin because of the thread topic, that your main point was to underline that it's not acceptable for anyone to do it. It would seem like a perfectly appropriate time to point out that not only her but many of our politicians are doing this.
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And for the record I did not compare the use of Cannabis to violent crime. This is what I am talking about. We live in spin city. I said that the idea of it being okay to accept the practice of majority rules... simply because it is a majority... does not make it right or the best option for our citizens. That does not say Cannabis use is equal to a sexual assault. Just because you don't get my analogy... doesn't mean I need a new one.
You compared 10 guys raping a girl to the governments ruling on marijuana use. So yes you did compare a violent crime to marijuana. Your analogy is wrong because you are taking something that is 100% morally wrong and horrible and comparing a majority rule of that to marijuana. It is not the same thing and your analogy doesn't work. It is not my fault if you can not properly express your thoughts.
I'm not spinning anything, you seem to still think I'm attacking you or something. Why do you seem so angsty?
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I think I have to take some time off from these types of threads until "reliable" information is presented to the public. It seems like a big piss fest. I come to this site to enjoy myself and discuss the way Cannabis benefits my life. I may lack the formal knowledge to teach a course on government... but I can definitely school some people on buds and the culture.
I tell you that we need to fix the image of marijuana users and you throw a hissy fit. I'm sorry if you don't like being told the truth but I won't lie to you or anyone else. If want to make more progress then we have to change the image that marijuana has had for nearly the last century. I have no idea why that would aggravate you.
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Again, I completely expect you to take this personal... so I won't be offended if you do. I LOVE America and all of the people that live in this great country... including you.
I haven't been offended this entire time (although you'll insist otherwise). I thought we were having a good discussion and then you replied as if you were pissed at me. Your problem, not mine.
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You have no idea what I am trying to say... and apparently there aren't enough keys to explain how I feel. So, I won't...
I am not concerned if you or anyone else reading this thread misunderstands what I was trying to explain about my thoughts on Gov. Palin and her view on Cannabis law... but I feel I need to be a bit more clear on my analogy because it is completely enfuriating that you keep trying to explain it when you aren't getting it.
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT CANNABIS IN THIS ANALOGY. I need to write it big because I feel it is very important to show how incredibly wrong you are about this.
I am talking about MAJORITY RULES in ANY situation. I used the graphic description because it is the most convincing evidence that, just because a larger number of people decide on something... does not make it the best option for all parties involved. NOTHING TO DO WITH CANNABIS. The majority might be RIGHT... but saying majority rules is not a definitive answer to a problem. Seriously man, pick apart every other thing I wrote and show everyone how naive I am... you're probably right. But if you seriously think that's what I meant... than I really can't say any more. I really can't believe that you aren't getting it. You're not an idiot. You support that with every post you make. I've seen your views on a wide variety of topics, including health care, that I feel are really great. But I really need to be clear so that there is no confusion.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think you honestly feel that is what I meant, because if a smart person like you interprets it that way... I can only pray for the idiots.
