McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
I watched the McCain convention speech last night and thought it was a big load of crap.
McCain has tried to adopt the Obama campaign's theme of "change" and rebrand himself as an agent of change, but it doesn't work at all.
First of all, he offered a good number of policy points, which is pretty good for a convention speech, but it was pretty much the same Republican policy points that have been circulating for 30 years. (This is where Joe Biden should pop in and say, "That's not change -- that's more of the same!")
For example, his economic plan is less spending, lower taxes, and free trade. I think he needs to offer something a little more innovative than that if he is going to claim to be an agent of change. It's the same thing Republicans have always offered and is the same thing George Bush ran on. Almost all of his policy solutions across the board on every issue were things you have heard for 30 years from Republicans, and it ignores that fact that Republicans have been in the White house for the past 8 years and controlled Congress for 12 of the last 14 years. They controlled all branches of governemnt for 6 years! They had their shot! If this same old shit was going to work, it would have worked by now!
So the twist is that he basically said that the reason it hasn't worked is that Republicans have failed to deliver their own policies, despite being in power! He said, "We were elected to change Washington, and we let Washington change us." You heard crickets when he delivered that line! Conventioneers cheered every single freakin' sentence in the speech, but you could have heard a pin drop after that one!
And then he went on to list the Republican failures where the country has lost trust in Republicans --- corruption, failure to reform government, failure to free us from dependence on foreign oil, valuing power over principles. Well, he is absolutely right about that --- these are major Republican failures. I don't think the convention was too happy about it.
So then he moved on from the list of major Republican failures and said that he plans to change Washington by changing the Republican party. Ha ha ha ha ha! Here's an idea --- how about you go change the party FIRST and get back to me when you've got your shit sorted out! Like Palin said the night before, this isn't a voyage of self discovery. Honestly, this call to change the Republican party fell totally flat with the convention --- the actual people who are going to have to change. If he can't convince them, then it is not going to happen.
He also called for changing to a more bipartisan style. He said we should use all good ideas, no matter where they come from, even if they come from Democrats. I might have believed this if maybe he had offered an example. Name one Democratic idea he thinks is a good idea, and maybe I'll believe him. I think it was a lie.
The past three days have been one long bash-fest with one Republican speaker after another blaming Democrats and "liberalism" for every problem in the country, even though it has been Republicans and conservatives in power for a decade. And after that he thinks he can make us believe he wants to share credit with the same people his party has been blaming for their own failures? Are you kidding me? If you can't even change your own convention, how are you going to change an entire party and the whole Washington dynamic?
On one level, McCain is right on most of this stuff. The Republicans SHOULD change their party and get back to their principles, and Washington SHOULD change and be more bipartisan. But the "change" that people want is a change in the way things are going in the country. Not a change in the way the Republican party and Washington works. He's offering the wrong change, and I don't think he can even deliver that.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
So then he moved on from the list of major Republican failures and said that he plans to change Washington by changing the Republican party. Ha ha ha ha ha! Here's an idea --- how about you go change the party FIRST and get back to me when you've got your shit sorted out!
Come on now...Obama has been saying the same thing for how long? Do you think that the DNC has no faults that need to be "changed"?
All in all I don't think it was a great speech but it covered what needed to be with the time given. He covered government waste and earmarks...something that his record confirms his position. Also regarding the surge, he was for it when it wasn't popular but it did work. The crowd was fired up from Palin and continued into last night. Good convention over all.
Now as for the honesty in "change". When Obama talks of energy he usually puts in the little statement on how our grandparents had to make great sacrifices during WW2 and that we need to do the same. If he was "honest" he'd state that his plan is to rapidly switch us over to alternatives so be prepared at the pump and your energy bill because your going to be paying huge for 5-10 years.
Have a good one!:s4:
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
i thought his speech was lame and the same old crap. he keeps on saying change
HE VOTES WITH BUSH 95% OF THE TIME AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
he wants to militarize our city police(but so does obama)
he wants to drill more spots
how about instead of drilling for 10-15 yrs(especially since it wont help much in $$$$ as stated by most every political person affiliated with oil and not) and giving billions of dollars to oil companies to drill and give them more land to drill we spend that money and put it in renewable energy.
boone pickens is building the largest wind farm in the world with his own personal money(10 billion dollars) to produce 20% of texas energy in 10 yrs. how come a individual can do that and the us government or our american oil companies do that. how about if the companies would have put out the technoloy to sell clean energy products they would still make their money(like pickens is going to do). its insanity to say we need more oil when we have the technology and manufactruing capability to produce clean energy products.
if regan wouldnt have been a big oil man and against renewable clean energy maybe we would all be on clean energy now and not paying. he could have saved the white house millions of dollars in electricity bills if he would have kept the solar panes up.
$4 for a gallon of gas
$3 for a gallon of propane
oil men are the reason energy cost are high(actions speak louder than words)
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
while we might get very different policies from both obama and mccain, i don't think we will find much change in either. granted this will be a landmark election landing either an african american or a woman in the white house, we must remember that we're dealing with politicans here.
real change doesn't start at the top with the president. it doesn't start with congress. change (at least in regards to our favorite herb) is done at the state and local level. its done through ballot innatives and changing perceptions. something i noticed recently is that non-violent drug offenders have been getting released early, or lighter sentencing. A good thing in all respects. However, this wasn't because politicans changed their positions on drug laws, rather with the downturned economy there isnt the money avaliable to keep these "criminals" in prision. When the economy returns, we need to make sure our state governments are not allowed to increase budgets. its not the president we should be looking to, for he surely won't hear. but as more and more states adopt medical MJ laws, and look honestly at the consequences both good and bad of personal use, eventually the federal government will have no choice to but change. will it happen this election, idk
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by texas grass
boone pickens is building the largest wind farm in the world with his own personal money(10 billion dollars) to produce 20% of texas energy in 10 yrs.
yes he is building a wind farm, however it is not the largest, nor is he using 10billion dollars to fund it. what he actually is doing is using 350 million of his own money (still a shitton) to build a windfarm out in the panhandle, but also to encourage other farmers to build turbines on their own land. then this collective or turbine owners would sell the wind energy back to the grid. He personally however is not building any turbines on his private land b/c he says "they look ugly" with regards to oil, pickens plan is to use natural gas to provide fuel for the fleet vehicles across the country. squad cars and city maintaince vehicles would run off natural gas, which america has plenty of. Personal cars will have the option of running off either natural gas or regular gas.
while this sounds like a good idea, there are some drawbacks. as more vehicles are switched over to NG, demand goes up and consequently so does price. many people run their heating off NG and as a result their winter heating bills will increase. wind turbines can work great in the texas and Oklahoma panhandles where it is very windy, however they do not provide a constant supply of power, and i've heard that they kill a lot of birds.
should we do it? i'd say yes, idk of anything better. but boone pickens is still but a man :rastasmoke:
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
The first indication you have a corrupt politician on your hands is he says he's going to force "change". The latest crop of liars is no different.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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So then he moved on from the list of major Republican failures and said that he plans to change Washington by changing the Republican party. Ha ha ha ha ha! Here's an idea --- how about you go change the party FIRST and get back to me when you've got your shit sorted out!
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Come on now...Obama has been saying the same thing for how long?
I don't think so. When Obama talks about "change" he's not talking about reforming the Democratic party, he's talking about changing the direction of the country.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
All in all I don't think it was a great speech but it covered what needed to be with the time given. He covered government waste and earmarks...something that his record confirms his position. Also regarding the surge, he was for it when it wasn't popular but it did work. The crowd was fired up from Palin and continued into last night. Good convention over all.
I think the convention mostly accomplished what the Republicans wanted it to do. I think they came out of it more united. I think Palin helped consolidate the base. I think they got some energy out of it.
But I don't think it'll be enough to win them the election, and I thought McCain's speech was no good at all and worked against the message of the whole rest of the convention.
If this election ends up being mostly about peronality and personal "narrative" then McCain has a decent shot --- his hero story against Obama's hope story.
If it is about so called "kithcen table" issues like the economy or healthcare, then I think the Democrats will take it.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I don't think so. When Obama talks about "change" he's not talking about reforming the Democratic party, he's talking about changing the direction of the country.
You know as well as me the problem is with BOTH partys. Change will have to start there....not to mention term limits. What has the Pelosi/Reid combo accomplished. Same ol' spending with the same ol' no results. Hell, we're in the middle of an energy crisis and they go off on vacation.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I think the convention mostly accomplished what the Republicans wanted it to do. I think they came out of it more united. I think Palin helped consolidate the base. I think they got some energy out of it.
But I don't think it'll be enough to win them the election, and I thought McCain's speech was no good at all and worked against the message of the whole rest of the convention.
If this election ends up being mostly about peronality and personal "narrative" then McCain has a decent shot --- his hero story against Obama's hope story.
If it is about so called "kithcen table" issues like the economy or healthcare, then I think the Democrats will take it.
More and more people are seeing the fact that Obama has done little to nothing in his years of service....not to much to run on. He's never lead a town, state, or a business. When the people hit the polls just watch and see, this one won't be as close of a race as the Dems OR Republicans thought it would be. Clinton won the key states, not Obama.
Have a good one!:s4:
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
You know as well as me the problem is with BOTH partys. Change will have to start there....not to mention term limits. What has the Pelosi/Reid combo accomplished. Same ol' spending with the same ol' no results. Hell, we're in the middle of an energy crisis and they go off on vacation.
But that is not what Obama is running on. McCain is basically saying, "Elect more Republicans, even thought the last ones didn't work out so well. Our policies are the same as the last bunch, but this time we are going to be true to our principles and things will be different!" That's a pretty hard sell.
Obama is bringing a different set of polices and priorities, so it is much easier to make the case that things will be different.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
More and more people are seeing the fact that Obama has done little to nothing in his years of service....not to much to run on. He's never lead a town, state, or a business. When the people hit the polls just watch and see, this one won't be as close of a race as the Dems OR Republicans thought it would be. Clinton won the key states, not Obama.
I think people are going to get past this experience problem soon, especially once we get into the debates. It's obvious that Obama does not have the length of experience that McCain has. Experience is valuable, but what EXACTLY is the value of experience? The value of experience is that it gives you judgement. Experience teaches you about issues, how to react to situations, and helps you make good decisions. Some people have that kind of good judgement with only a little experience, while some people who have a lifetime of experience never develop good judgement.
Obama has said he exercises better judgement than McCain. If he can have good command of issues in the debates and show that he has good judgement, he will win that argument. I thought he had won that argument when McCin picked Palin, but she has turned out better than I expected, so the comparison will have to be about a real issue.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
I saw a few parts of the speech, i liked the get up and fight bit and where he was describing how he became a man of his country, though it was through such horrible circumstances. I felt it lacked substance and was more of a polemic. It's got me worried that the GOP will win lol.. All that USA after every sentence is contagious.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
I watched the McCain convention speech last night and thought it was a big load of crap.
McCain has tried to adopt the Obama campaign's theme of "change" and rebrand himself as an agent of change, but it doesn't work at all.
Actually the theme of his campaign isn't change, it's "Country First".
But yeah you are right, the "Change" theme will not work, for the Dems.
I think when you hear him talk about change, he is actually pointing out that his campaign actually will come through with real "Change", not that it's the theme, it will be a result.:jointsmile:
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
My two cents:
Uh McCain isn't JUST for drilling. He is for that AND he's ALSO for finding renewable energy.
But it seems like SOME PEOPLE don't realize that.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
My two cents:
Uh McCain isn't JUST for drilling. He is for that AND he's ALSO for finding renewable energy.
But it seems like SOME PEOPLE don't realize that.
Uh... I'm not sure who SOME PEOPLE are or what you are responding to on that. I don't think drilling or alternative energy has come up in this thread yet...
Rebgirl, did you see the speech? I would imagine you liked the part where McCain admitted all the Republican failures of the past 8 years, because it is exactly the stuff you talk about all the time.
The Republicans said for DECADES, we are the party of small government, fiscal respoinsibility, and military competence. But as soon as they got control of all branches of gevernment, they increased the size of government bigger than it has ever been, they blew out the deficit hgher than it has ever been, and they bungled a war. You say Republicans have abandoned their principles, and so did McCain. You are both right.
Now McCain thinks that after admitting it, he can just say, it was THOSE OTHER Republicans, not me. You can trust me because I'm a maverick, not like THEM. I'm going back to our principles. Riiiiiiight.
It won't work. people know it was Republicans in full control of the entire Government that screwed up. They do not believe in their own principles.
I think it was big of McCain to admit how bad they screwed up though. That was definitely my favorite part of an otherwise crappy speech.
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Uh... I'm not sure who SOME PEOPLE are or what you are responding to on that. I don't think drilling or alternative energy has come up in this thread yet...
Rebgirl, did you see the speech? I would imagine you liked the part where McCain admitted all the Republican failures of the past 8 years, because it is exactly the stuff you talk about all the time.
The Republicans said for DECADES, we are the party of small government, fiscal respoinsibility, and military competence. But as soon as they got control of all branches of gevernment, they increased the size of government bigger than it has ever been, they blew out the deficit hgher than it has ever been, and they bungled a war. You say Republicans have abandoned their principles, and so did McCain. You are both right.
Now McCain thinks that after admitting it, he can just say, it was THOSE OTHER Republicans, not me. You can trust me because I'm a maverick, not like THEM. I'm going back to our principles. Riiiiiiight.
It won't work. people know it was Republicans in full control of the entire Government that screwed up. They do not believe in their own principles.
I think it was big of McCain to admit how bad they screwed up though. That was definitely my favorite part of an otherwise crappy speech.
Actually Texas Grass said the thing about the drilling.
Yeah I agree that "Rhino" Republicans or Fake Republicans are the ones that have screwed our parties name. McCain is really more of a moderate Republican (at least he was before he decided to bow to the religious base and such). He's like the other Republicans in some ways but if you look at his record he has thumbed his nose at the Republicans more times than I can count.
You can't honestly blame the Republicans for all of this mess. I know your more intelligent than that. It's a two party system. The Dems are just as to blame as the Republicans.
I liked the speech because at least he admitted things are terribly awry.
But everyone on this site should know that I really liked Ron Paul to begin with and if I had my way the Republican party would start over again and return to it's Libertarian roots.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Actually Texas Grass said the thing about the drilling.
Sorry, I missed that.
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
Yeah I agree that "Rhino" Republicans or Fake Republicans are the ones that have screwed our parties name. McCain is really more of a moderate Republican (at least he was before he decided to bow to the religious base and such). He's like the other Republicans in some ways but if you look at his record he has thumbed his nose at the Republicans more times than I can count.
You can't honestly blame the Republicans for all of this mess. I know your more intelligent than that. It's a two party system. The Dems are just as to blame as the Republicans.
I liked the speech because at least he admitted things are terribly awry.
But everyone on this site should know that I really liked Ron Paul to begin with and if I had my way the Republican party would start over again and return to it's Libertarian roots.
I think we CAN honestly blame the Republicans for the vast majority of the mess. It's a two party system, but Dems were completely locked out in the first 6 years of Bush's term. Almost all votes went straight down the party line, and the Republicans got exactly everything they wanted against the will of Democrats. It was a fuck up, and Republicans have to own it.
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6 freaking years does not change the entire state of the nation. What about the fact that the Dems have controlled the congress for the majority of the time?
It's a checks and balances system. The Democrats did their fair share.
Both parties are corrupt and have lost their values. (At least a good percent have lost their way, not all have).
McCain Speech = Big Load of Crap
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
6 freaking years does not change the entire state of the nation. What about the fact that the Dems have controlled the congress for the majority of the time?
It's a checks and balances system. The Democrats did their fair share.
Both parties are corrupt and have lost their values. (At least a good percent have lost their way, not all have).
well, ignoring the politics and lack of participation by people in elections of all kinds, has led to no change at all
historically and as a nation, we have had the lowest political participation rate of all modern democracies. which is a big problem that i think has its roots in who are the nominees and who are the parties.
and we have perhaps kept chosing the less of 2 evils in most elections
so whats next, whats the solution, How we the people can change this locked game?
if we find the answer to this WE THE PEOPLE will win
otherwise we are bound to let either party or candidate win despite that almost nobody who votes for either one can agree with all of their policies
question is, what should be done so in the next election we have the right candidates?
i know many people have quitted voting for long now, just cuz no1 seems to find the answer to this question
and ralf nader only cuts the votes of both sides, screw him!:D he never wins but he messes up the equation!
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Originally Posted by rebgirl420
6 freaking years does not change the entire state of the nation. What about the fact that the Dems have controlled the congress for the majority of the time?
Yes, the state of the nation changed that fast. And what do you mean "the Dems have controlled the congress for the majority of the time?" The majority of what time? When Bush took office, Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and had controlled them since 1994. Once they had the White House too, the shitstorm began. They lost control of Congress 2 years ago, after 6 years of failure. Now they are going to lose the white house too.
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Originally Posted by dragonrider
Now they are going to lose the white house too.
with my knowledge of our nation, this is not guaranteed.
same ole people who made 4 more years of bush WILL push for 4 more years of the same, didnt u hear the RNC ppl shouting it?
