Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

Here in lies the beginning of the SnSstealth LED SOG Perpetual Garden...

One of the Procyons in this clone room are joining his buddies in the flowering room. The remaining Procyon will maintain the 3-5 mothers that will be kept initially and we will add a 24 in T5 for the clones soon...

The clones pictured are 9 HKxBI's, 3 which have been topped twice to assume their mothery roles, the rest will be going in the flowering room probably by monday. 4 are Church, one selected for mum, the rest will be joining the HKs into flowering monday. The last 2 clones are the SB, one topped for mum, other going into flower.

The mums remaining will probably be ready to have clones taken in 3 weeks. From here I would like some ideas/opinions on how to get the full potential out of making this a SOG.

For now, the clones will go into Rapid Rooters. Once rooted placed into either 20 0z styrofoam cups, or 4in pots for a week-10 days tops. Then transplant into 1 gal for sending to flower. I am aiming for about 24in plants. Lemme know how that sounds. From then on, it will either be 8 going in, and 8 harvesting every 2 weeks, or 16 once a month....Dunno how to run that yet...

Upon the Episode 3 girls harvest, the winning HKxBI of the 2 mums kept, will be the sole winner of mother status. And the smoke test will determine if I keep the SB going after that set of clones.

The Episode 3 log will continue till harvest.
Stay buzzed in
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whiskeytango

All but the mums will be sent to flowering Monday probably
whiskeytango

Ya WT, They Are Looking Good Dog!!!!,,,,,You Are Getting The Cloning Down Like Pat.!!!!~~~~~When You Going To Get Out Of The Dirt???EH???HEHEHE:thumbsup::D:stoned::rasta::smok in:

After the clones are in full rotation, Ill probably start a DWC rubbermaid first...then slowly incorporate it fully into the room
whiskeytango

Oh those clones and here I was thinking you were talking about a new Star Wars Movie (VBG)
Your babies are looking great.

LOL...thanks luna. All my thread have been star wars based...yes, I am a nerd...lol
whiskeytango

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The mums remaining will probably be ready to have clones taken in 3 weeks. From here I would like some ideas/opinions on how to get the full potential out of making this a SOG.

For now, the clones will go into Rapid Rooters. Once rooted placed into either 20 0z styrofoam cups, or 4in pots for a week-10 days tops. Then transplant into 1 gal for sending to flower. I am aiming for about 24in plants. Lemme know how that sounds. From then on, it will either be 8 going in, and 8 harvesting every 2 weeks, or 16 once a month....Dunno how to run that yet...

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Anyone?....lol

The 4th Procyon was added to the flowering room today, along with 9 of the clones. HKxBI #4 is lookin kinda nice, so I kept a potential mum of her...
Otherwise, room is lookin lovely. All kinda o sparkly stuff...
whiskeytango

Hey just found this one Stealth....subscribed.....;)

The little gnats are fucking back...I swear to god these things are worse than german cockroaches... with the pyrethin bomb, larvicide, fungicide, and the cold nights, I don't know how these things haven't died...
whiskeytango

Damn your runnin 4 of those lights now huh? Nice.. Clones look great.. How many were you running in revenge 3?

Those bugs suck man.. Time for drastic measures, get rid of them once and for all.

don't know if it's any good but I asked the owner of one of the local hydro shops if they had anything for fungus gnats he showed me a product called
NO GNAT haven't tried it, it's water soluble and supposed to work I had a gnat problem w/ my last ebb n flow grow.

D:S5:

Stealth what are you using exactly on the plants themselves.....any sort of spray or something? You have a super long list of stuff you've been trying I see.

I haven't treated the plants themselves at all WH. Only the soil/roots. The gnats have not shown any interest in the vegetative matter. Not one leaf has shown any damage from the bugs far as I can tell. The adults seem to not bother the plants at all, and only live maybe 2 days. I have heard recently that they might be fungus gnats, and present in the FF when we bought it. Might be the case. So I am not really even sure that they are bothering the grow...Unless the larvae are feeding on the root hairs.
Who fuckin knows....
whiskeytango

hmmm......I'll have Mr hound ask our hydro guy just in case he's discovered some new amazing thing......don't hold your breath though. Are those the little fuckers that run around through your soil and stuff? I hate those little bastards.

that be the very ones.....arrrrrr
WT

Few shots of the mums....
Dont have a white light in here for pics yet....Soon

And can anyone tell me why after 3 weeks of 24/0 and plenty of vegetative growth later, my mums are still throwing calyxes and pistils out? Took the clones at like 10 days flower. Shouldn't still be doing that IMHO

Anyhoo...Have been FIMing and supercropping my way up these moms, I dig how they are lookin...2-3 weeks have way more than the 16 needed for the cycling. But after smoking the Episode 3 girls, not all the mums will be stayin...:greenthumb:
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whiskeytango

Anyone?...lol Clone question?...
BUMP**
whiskeytango

Hey WT,,I Have Never Tried To Re-Veg. Any Clone's, But, My Plant's Have Been Showing Sex For Year's At Every Node...So I Wouldn't Think It Is Anything To Worry About....:rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta:

Not re-vegging, took clones at 10 days flower and put em in 24/0. Yet 3 weeks later, and the new growth has a few pistils in it? Your mums do that? I haven't taken clones in flowering before, so this is new to me...
whiskeytango

BTW...long time hatch! how's the flickerbug going? Im gettin nasty with the cam...trich shots coming soon on Episode 3
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Not re-vegging, took clones at 10 days flower and put em in 24/0. Yet 3 weeks later, and the new growth has a few pistils in it? Your mums do that? I haven't taken clones in flowering before, so this is new to me...
whiskeytango

BTW...long time hatch! how's the flickerbug going? Im gettin nasty with the cam...trich shots coming soon on Episode 3
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Well, If You Let Them Go On 12/12 For Ten Day's???,,,They Think They Are Flowering,,,Then When You Put Them Back To 24/7,, They Will Be Stunted For Another Two Week's Or So,,,,This Is Just Stuff I Have Read About Re-Veg.,,Not First Hand!!!

I Think Your Clone's Will Be Fine,,It Just Might Take Alittle Longer!!!,,,Now That You Have Some Known Female's,,Your On Your Way!!!,,,Good Deal!!

But Yes, My Mom's Have Pistil's At Every Node,,,,I Rotate My Mom's Like Every Six Or So Month's,,,The Root Mass Get's To Big...,,I Also Don't Use 24/7,,,I Use 16/8,,For My Clone's & For Veg.'ing...

OH,,I Still Have It,,,,I've Been Doing Some Remodeling & Adding Cooltube's & Extra Exhaust Fan's,,,I've Got My Temp's Down To 77* To 79* Light On, In The Middle Of The Day!!!,,,Nice

But Any-Way,,,I Still Get My Trich. Shot's,,That's The Only Way I Can Tell Where They Are At!!!,,,,Can't Wait To See Your New Shot's!!!:rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta:

hey stealth... I took 20 clones at about 2-3 week flowering off my outdoors and they rooted within 8 days and showed new growth in a week 1/2.. the pistils never died and the new nodes had calyxes so Im not sure if that is what your referring too, but once flipped to flower, they had heavy new pistils in 4 days

Hatch...Green...thanks guys! I think what you are explaining is what I got. The new growth does have pistils, but they are real thin...should I pull them all off the moms? Or will they eventually stop throwing pistils? Thought I pulled the majority off when I took the clones...
Doesn't seem to be affecting them, all of the clones are growing super fast and healthy. Ill take some pics of the mums and the ones sent to flower today...
whiskeytango

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Hatch...Green...thanks guys! I think what you are explaining is what I got. The new growth does have pistils, but they are real thin...should I pull them all off the moms? Or will they eventually stop throwing pistils? Thought I pulled the majority off when I took the clones...
Doesn't seem to be affecting them, all of the clones are growing super fast and healthy. Ill take some pics of the mums and the ones sent to flower today...
whiskeytango

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Why Would You Want To Pull Them Off????

Ounce a Plant Get To A Certain Stage In Life It Will Alway's Show It's Sex,,,I Can See Maybe Topping Or Fim'n,,,Otherwise,,,Just Watch Her Go!!!

When I Clone, I Will Clean Up Just What Is Going In The Basket,,& I Leave Everything Above,,,Then After About 5 To 6 Day's When They Have Rooted Well,,I May Trim Some Of The Bigger Leaves That Have Yellowed,,Or Top Them If They Are Going To Be Donor Clones (mom),,,But Other Then That, Just Watch Them Grow!!:rasta: :rasta: :rasta:

I was only talking about pulling the pistils off the donor clones, (new mums). Not the ones that are going to flower...But if the few thin pistils the mums are throwing are not effecting anything, Ill leave em. I just didnt get how after taking the clones at 10 days, and they barely had any pistils...after growing on 24/0 for 3 weeks, Obviously growing veg again, lol...you should've seen how tiny the clones where, that they are making NEW pistils still....In veg stage...hadn't ever taken clones in flower before, so that was news to me...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango

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I was only talking about pulling the pistils off the donor clones, (new mums). Not the ones that are going to flower...But if the few thin pistils the mums are throwing are not effecting anything, Ill leave em. I just didnt get how after taking the clones at 10 days, and they barely had any pistils...after growing on 24/0 for 3 weeks, Obviously growing veg again, lol...you should've seen how tiny the clones where, that they are making NEW pistils still....In veg stage...hadn't ever taken clones in flower before, so that was news to me...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango

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LOL!!!,,,Oh, I'm Not Freaking Bro!!!,,,That's Just The Way I Roll!!!!:rastasmoke: :rastasmoke:

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...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango

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Meant me...lol

First 2 are the SB mum...only 7 in tall, and has 12 shoots..Yipee..FIMmed the shit outta the mums...
Last few pics are the clones that were cleaned of extra branching, and stuck in the flowering room with the Episode 3 girls....enjoy
whiskeytango
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The little gnats are fucking back...I swear to god these things are worse than german cockroaches... with the pyrethin bomb, larvicide, fungicide, and the cold nights, I don't know how these things haven't died...
whiskeytango

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Hello SnS.....I've been lurking here admiring all your great work on this grow and on Episode 3 and have some thoughts on your fungus gnat problem. I've used in the past Knock-Out Gnats from [url=http://www.gardensalive.com]"Environmentally Responsible Gardening Products that Work". You have to use it at least 3 weeks in a row....I've used 4 weeks in a row just to be sure, They also sell a spray called Pyola Insect spray that might be worth a try. Here are the directions from the website:
Stops fungus gnats that attack your houseplants and greenhouse plants

Only from Gardens Alive! This strain of Bacillus thuringiensis (Bti) provides very effective fungus gnat control for houseplant growers and home greenhouses. Populations of fungus gnats (often called "fruit flies") usually peak during winter and spring. The tiny adult insects lay their eggs in peat moss, humus-rich organic soil and potting media. The larvae then feed on plant roots, including those of young seedlings. Infested plants wilt, roots rot and the plants may eventually die.

With Knock-Out Gnats, however, the larvae ingest the larvicide and die! Use as a soil drench, 2-8 tsp. per gallon of water. Make three weekly applications to control successive generations. You can monitor effectiveness of Knock-Out Gnats with sticky traps.

Good luck with your problem. You've done some amazing work so far and I'm looking forward to seeing more..... :hippy: Indoorgirl

Thanks for the info indoorgirl!! Sounds like a damn fine product, looks like Ill be ordering it, lol.
whiskeytango

I took a lone clone of a flowering plant in my last grow and found it to root very quickly but like you said it kept producing pistils but eventually it bounced back into veg mode. then it died due to my neglect dun dun duuuuuuuuun. but I learned something in the process, cloning flowering plants is possible but I'll try to make that decision to clone or not to clone next time before the onset of flowering.But knowin me I'll be doing it again...lol...

Stealth's room is the south's version of the AURORA BORIOLUS the SOUTHERN LIGHTS..I just realized it's past midnight It's my B day 9/11 who feels like celebrating on that day of infamy
D

I joined the Army on 9/11/96...lol,,,yeah, shitty day
whiskeytango

Mums not lookin to good....check this out guys please!
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-pro...mums-sick.html

whiskeytango

WT and DB, I can't keep up with you guys. I'm gone for a couple of weeks, and the entire Star Wars trilogies are nearly reproduced here. I'm sorry I can't add anything to the advice being given for your mom plants. I would tend to agree they may be rootbound, and I've read trimming the roots is a viable solution. A good flush may do the trick too, although it seems like you said you have not given them any nutes? Flushing couldn't hurt though.

I know you will get their problems sorted though - you've got the thumbs for it! Take good care out there, my friend! Good luck!

hey guys, I've been reading on the forum for a couple of weeks now. I've been growing indoors with a 600w flowering room and a 400w veg room for 4 years. I recently purchased 4 procyons. I am moving to a perpetual SOG setup. Three procyons for flower, 1 for veg. I grow in 10 gallon rubbermaid containers with two plants per box. There will be twelve of these boxes in the flowering room. 4 boxes are just a little bigger than 3X3 more like 3X3.25. I'm sure that through rotation I won't have any problems.
The strain is AK 47. It has been very good to me, recommended after i get my 50 posts in i'll try to start a log. until then just a bunch of talk i guess. BTW, SnS very good job hoprfully we will be able to help each other out.

Welcome just dirt...Help ya all we can man...:greenthumb:
Dr spiggity,rightway, redline, british hempire...few others.. are growing LED now too, so like I was saying back in Feb....we FINALLY got a few more LED growers to talk to about shit...lol
few key points....
lights around 12in from tops
water MUCH less frequently, feeding as well
eh...smoke a fatty and read through my last 3 logs..theres some homework for ya, lol...
whiskeytango
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i've read in another post that you are using 3 or is it 4 procyons in a 2X7 area? would you recommend that i decrease my area as well. am i not going to get good results with 3 of them over a 3X9 area? also is there a way to do private messages to each other?

4 procyons...and 4 T12s now...no way to private message here...
whiskeytango

do you use co2? i will be adding that to my system. thing about co2 boost rather than a bottle. anybody used it? info at co2boost.com

Thats what we are using...shit man, either you know me in real life, or read my shit a lot, or your a cop, lol...Im into the organic shit too man... check your rep

whiskeytango


FFoF WILL compact without added perlite....trust me, lol...