The Land of Oz.

Hello the blood is rushing to my head as I'm upsidedown ,no seriously "meh".
Any reeeaaallly long term Cannabis users here or are you all newbies?(less than 10 years)Any old timers feeling frustrated from fighting the good fight to long?
Do you find it an outrage that you are a criminal in the eyes of the law?
Does it seem incredible that after 40 years of cannabis law reform agitation that cannabis is still illegal?
Its simply not about getting stoned its got to be illegal for less obvious reasons ,that I'm sure most here are familiar with ...
[align=center]Yet here we are![/align] its depressing,sometimes all you feel left with is hope,like hope makes a difference,sure it does :rolleyes:
The president of the US smoked(s) dope and gets to be president,it certainly didn't stop him from achieving,he didn't suffer from "lack of motivation"but we do it and we deserve to be locked up for our most vile crime ,the bullshit is getting hard to swallow.
[align=center]I Hate Hypocrites[/align]and the world is overflowing with them, I have ranted long enough,I'm going to bed its early morning here,but first I'll punch a few cones of "Shiva" it takes the pain of being a dangerous criminal away for a brief smoky moment.

I'm no long term smoker, but I understand your frustration with the hypocritical legislation in place. However I have no hope that the US is going to be knocked out of its state of delirium regarding drugs (and pretty much everything else) within my lifetime, so I'm moving to the Netherlands in a couple of years.

Smoking since '83 ;)
Welcome to the board

High Guys,I was a bit depressed when I started this thread.I had just spent 4 hours arguing on an Oz TV network forum about a show they had aired ealier in the evening. It was the usual reefer madness crap,in this case it really was,this show 4Corners on OZ TV Network ABC is usually very balanced in its in depth investigations,however they resorted to reefer insanity ,literally,they paraded out a couple of alleged drug experts who claimed ,you ready for this wank,that they knew,or in the words of one BS artist ,a gut feeling(the wanker really used these words)that cannabis causes mental illness,not one scrap of scientific proof,yet these alleged experts claimed it was proven and that it was Addictive,They also trotted out 2 case studies to prove there point however they both stated they hadn't used cannabis in several years when they had their "psychotic episode" and were diagnosed,one was bi-polar,can't remember what the other one "had",both also admitted other drug use eg speed and xtc,
so they get a mental condition and because they used cannabis years before as teenagers ,therefore the cannabis induced it,that was their logic,no matter you could have said the same about alcohol or tobacco or a plethora of prescription drugs,what a sad joke,I must say I enjoyed letting both barrells go on these wankers.They posted some of my colourful descriptions of them and there "science" ,like I said there "Pseudo-science had a factual equivallancy of that of Eugenics(nazi pseudo-science used to justify persecution of jews) also "you are liars guilty of scientific fraud" ,"journalistic scraping of the bottom of the barrel" ,"anecdotes were are your facts","were are the Peer Reviews of your clinical studies,and were are they published",even after the total slag off I gave them,SILENCE from them,they only answered people who agreed with there "faith based pseudo-science"
They were caught out ,absolutely,the ratio (a guess) would have been around 55-60 % believing this CRAP,40-45 % questioning the science,but not till a whole bunch of postings(fairly early on) questioned why the postings were only affirming the shows position,after that much more balance was evident.
I'm in Australia,I have been using cannabis for 36 years,daily for 32 years,the lungs aren't the best although every time I show concern on a doctors visit they say there fine? go figure cause they often feel like crap,other than the stuffed lung issue I feel I have suffered NO DELETERIOUS EFFECTS FROM MY CANNABIS CONSUMPTION.,I plan on giving up "smoking" by my 50th birthday,a couple (at least) of years away yet,but note I said smoking,there are other means of imbibing which is the plan . :cool:

I here you man. They base their judgements around a bunch of soft cocks who cant even handle weed. It's people like them that dont deserve to do drugs. Hmmm i wish i had of seen that episode of 4 corners, wouldv made for a laugh. What part of oz you from? Im from Brisbane!

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Originally Posted by Rarrr

I here you man. They base their judgements around a bunch of soft cocks who cant even handle weed. It's people like them that dont deserve to do drugs. Hmmm i wish i had of seen that episode of 4 corners, wouldv made for a laugh. What part of oz you from? Im from Brisbane!

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You will be able to catch it,they are repeating it ,check ...http://www.abc.net.au/ ... for details.

I'm living a 1/2hour from.... NIMBIN, were else would an oldtimer like me live?...LOL
Hows it up in Briz Vegas?Keeping mellow on our bush buds or doing the BrizHydro? I would advise being wasted when you watch it as to remain mellow,on 4Corners homepage on ABC link above will still have the 1800+ postings to read through however the forum is now closed for comment....Cheers
ps my username on the 4Corners forum was 30+Y.O.P. (years on pot)

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Originally Posted by HIEROPHANT

You will be able to catch it,they are repeating it ,check ...http://www.abc.net.au/ ... for details.

I'm living a 1/2hour from.... NIMBIN, were else would an oldtimer like me live?...LOL
Hows it up in Briz Vegas?Keeping mellow on our bush buds or doing the BrizHydro? I would advise being wasted when you watch it as to remain mellow,on 4Corners homepage on ABC link above will still have the 1800+ postings to read through however the forum is now closed for comment....Cheers
ps my username on the 4Corners forum was 30+Y.O.P. (years on pot)

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Im in lismore, where you from???

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Originally Posted by BuD MaN

Im in lismore, where you from???

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[align=center]Closer than you think[/align] [align=center];)[/align]

ok, that envolves to much thinking. Ill just take that as your from lismore...greetings fellow shithole dweller (lismore).

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Originally Posted by BuD MaN

ok, that envolves to much thinking. Ill just take that as your from lismore...greetings fellow shithole dweller (lismore).

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Do you go to Pissmore U ?

hello....just noticed the title of the thread and thought id check it out...(i was born in brisbane)...and say hi :)

im not really a long term smoker but i understand what your sayin bout the outdated bs laws....

what the cops like bout weed in oz??

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Originally Posted by az666

hello....just noticed the title of the thread and thought id check it out...(i was born in brisbane)...and say hi :)

im not really a long term smoker but i understand what your sayin bout the outdated bs laws....

what the cops like bout weed in oz??

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Not quite as bad as the US however there's a distinct push on at the moment to go the US way by stealth,NSW is introducing random weed,speed,XTC spit testing later in the year for motorists,Victoria already has it,the first guy busted for the whole of OZ to see as the cops invited the media, is suing the police force(along with a lot of others, could even be a class action) ,he went straight to the doctors and got himself independantly tested ,the cops said he tested for speed and weed,he denied ever using speed and said the last time he had taken cannabis was weeks before at a party? They are OUTRAGIOUSLY TESTING FOR CANNABIS IN TOTAL DISCIMINATION as it doesn't leave your system for months(and there's NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF that it affects your driving,the Dutch and German studies concluded that it really didn't affect driving ability) and there testing for metabolites in the NANOGRAMS ,no indication that you are stoned at all ,all it means is that you have been in contact sometime,people will test positive from sidestream smoke even though they had none if they are around it, I am tossing up with either refusing (why incriminate yourself) or testing then contesting the results on the grounds I consume LEGAL hemp seed oil,US army dude got off with this defense.Nimbin MARDI GRASS will be bigger and better this year,check it out online.
That is why the LINKS are in my online signature ,its my attempt at fighting back,as soon as I upload some info about politicians etc's misdeeds I will vbe SPAMMING them with millions of emails as political emails in OZ are NOT included in the anti-spam laws and my website is CLEARLY political.
http://www.youtestfirst.org

OZZIE JUSTICE????????????

Elderly drug dealers lose their appeal
March 15, 2005 - 3:58PM

Australia's oldest drug traffickers have failed in an appeal against their convictions for possessing cannabis estimated to have been worth up to $264,000.

World War II veteran David William Sidney Davies, 81, and his wife Florence Gladys Davies, 77, now face the prospect of having their West Australian home seized under the state's tough proceeds of crime laws.

The pair, who have been married for 58 years, last year received suspended sentences after a jury in the District Court found them guilty of two counts of possessing cannabis with intent to sell or supply.

During the trial, the court was told 18.7kg of the illegal drug was found above a false ceiling in the couple's Carlisle home, in Perth's south-east.

A further 300 grams was found in an ice-cream container under their bed, and $7,000 cash was found hidden under the driver's side seat of their car.

When questioned about the drugs found in their bedroom, Mr Davies told police it was used to relieve Mrs Davies' back pain.

However, the jury accepted the prosecution's case that the Davies had allowed their son, Tyssul Davies, to store the cannabis in their home and had given him a key to allow him to retrieve it when he wished.

Tyssul Davies was arrested the morning his parents' home was searched and subsequently pleaded guilty to possession of the 19kg of cannabis with intent to supply or sell.

The Davies appealed last month to the WA Court of Appeal on the grounds that the verdict was unreasonable because they could not be deemed to be in possession of the drugs with intent to supply it to their son when Tyssul already possessed it.

In a unanimous decision delivered today, Justice Christopher Steytler, Justices Len Roberts-Smith and Carmel McLure dismissed the appeal.

"In my opinion there is ... no reason why all three family members should not have been found to have been in possession of the drug for the purposes of the act," Justice Steytler said.

Mrs Davies, who was not in court, declined to comment on the appeal outcome.

Comment was being sought from the Davies' lawyer, Laurie Levy, and the Director of Public Prosecutions.

Mr Levy said he was disappointed by the failure of the appeal but said it highlighted the need for changes to the confiscation laws.

"The law says that once they are declared a drug trafficker the DPP can then move to confiscate their assets," he said.

"My view is in these circumstances where it is said that they gained $7,000 by the commission of this crime it is inequitable where they stand to lose a family home that they have owned for 50 years."

He said he had been instructed to appeal to the High Court, and papers would be lodged within the next 28 days.

"I don't really think that anyone wants to see two pensioners turfed out of the home that they have owned for 50 years when it is not suggested that they derived the home from the commission of any crime," he said.

AAP
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links to NIMBIN's 13th annual MARDI GRASS
http://www.nimbinmardigrass.com/accom.html
High Times story about the 10th Mardi Grass
http://www.hightimes.com/ht/lounge/c...?bid=115&aid=3
or a good story on the Mardi Grass
http://www.onlinepot.org/misc/downunder.htm
Nimbin is a leisurely 25 minute drive from my town ...see you at this years Mardi Grass.
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