Whats the point of even getting a card

Ok so im starting to think that theres really no reason for me to get a card. for one ill be spending 150 for the recommendation and then if i understand correctly ill spend more to get a card through the dispensary to be in their system. Then once i go to the dispensary the prices are much higher anyways then street prices.

Now if i get caught in california with less than 28.5 grams of marijuana all i get is a ticket that is a 100 dollar fine. seems worth it to just not get busted. but i do have a few questions such as what if i get caught with a pipe on me is there any different charge and say i get busted once what happens if i get busted a second time. and also if i get caught will my car insurance company find out about it and raise my insurance?

One of your ?'s: If you get busted a first time and don't get legal with your recommendation-that would be foolish, a second time shouldn't happen! :jointsmile: I am sure the legal eagles will submit the remainder of ?'s!! pr

Well, for most patients, the point of getting a his or her doctor's recommendation for medical marijuana is to get safe and legal access to their necessary medications. They don't have to mess around with the potentiality of running into a shady dealer.

And why the hell would your car company raise your insurance? Think about it.

One nice thing about getting a card is that it allows you to grow your own meds, bypassing the dealer/dispensary scene entirely, except to try new strains and of course get your clones. If you CAN get a card, I think it makes good sense for your legal security.

Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...)
Any conviction of minor under 21 causes driver's license suspension for 1 year.

The petty misdemeanor of possession is NOT reported to DMV but anything over that is and should CA DMV elect, they can suspend your license to drive, if you are under the age of 21yo....

Get a card if you can. Don't trust cops they will always find ways to put more charges on you. And if you get caught twice, the second time they might put a intention to distribute charge on you.

and 150$ for a card? You sure your in southern cali? Around here can get em for 60$- 80$ AND the clinic prices for bud is cheaper than street dealers.

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Originally Posted by pakaloloprince

Ok so im starting to think that theres really no reason for me to get a card. for one ill be spending 150 for the recommendation and then if i understand correctly ill spend more to get a card through the dispensary to be in their system. Then once i go to the dispensary the prices are much higher anyways then street prices.

Now if i get caught in california with less than 28.5 grams of marijuana all i get is a ticket that is a 100 dollar fine. seems worth it to just not get busted. but i do have a few questions such as what if i get caught with a pipe on me is there any different charge and say i get busted once what happens if i get busted a second time. and also if i get caught will my car insurance company find out about it and raise my insurance?

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Youve got several of your facts wrong.. Depending where you go, its usually about $85-115 for a recommendation. I would recommend medicann because of the 24-hour verification, and Ive had no problems with them in the past. They give you the ID card for free now, too.

You dont need to get another card at each dispensary, they just call the doc on your rec and verify you in their system. Once you are verified you usually only need to show Id from that point on.

The prices vary wildly, but you can find good deals (or grow your own). If you get caught without a rec, not only do you get fined but you lose your meds as well. Depending on how much you have, thats another $50-500 right there. The fines go up with ever subsequent ticket, and eventually lead to jail time.

i got a rec. about 2 months ago. the reason i got it was because i wanted to have reliable connections. if i had good connections, i wouldn't get a rec. in the years i've been smoking i've only been busted one time, (for being really stupid) when i was in high school, i'm 53 now. if you're cool, it seems like it would be hard to get busted.

the rec. cost me 150, they mentioned a state card that costs an additional 150 (which i didn't buy), plus the weed at the dispensary costs roughly 2x street price, for the same quality. someone is making lots of $$$.

if i were a grower, i'd want the rec. and card.

ok im getting like 2 types of information here how much is the weed at the dispensaries? then where and how much can i get a card i just requested my medical records from the hospital and i have an empty bottle of vicodin. can someone recommend me a place to go i live in like huntington costa mesa area

Welcome to safety. You are too young to be messing with the cops. And, we run into them a lot here!

I paid $150. in Riverside! It was a little more expensive, but the weather was cooler there than my other closest option.

If it is cheaper to buy on the street, you may continue to do that, if you choose--And you will possess, legally!!! I am sure street vendors can be busted, not sure if you can for buying from them! I was told I could! Guess, I'd better check it out! Thanks for bringing up another area of my ignorance!:thumbsup:

There is an activist office that meets there every month. Plus, growers meet on occas.--which is coming up! I hope to get my first grow on very soon! I have met one and seen his operation of hydroponics. He gives me free seeds and there are many benefits! Plus, sharing the different medical varieties without having to purchase each one!

Let us know how you feel after you walk out: Knowing you can grow your own medicine!!! Here's to feeling better! Do come back! You sound interesting. Smart enough not to mess up the rest of your life! pr :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by flakeyfoont

i got a rec. about 2 months ago. the reason i got it was because i wanted to have reliable connections. if i had good connections, i wouldn't get a rec. in the years i've been smoking i've only been busted one time, (for being really stupid) when i was in high school, i'm 53 now. if you're cool, it seems like it would be hard to get busted.

the rec. cost me 150, they mentioned a state card that costs an additional 150 (which i didn't buy), plus the weed at the dispensary costs roughly 2x street price, for the same quality. someone is making lots of $$$.

if i were a grower, i'd want the rec. and card.

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You must be going to a shitty dispensary is all I can say. Check out for a list of some good ones, or you can PM me with your area if you want.

I pay a little less than I used to, but the quality is off the charts. Plus you can get ANYTHING you want at the clubs. Any type of hash, oil, kif, shake, edibles, ice cream, soda, candy, suckers, tinctures, moon rocks, butter, cooking oil, ANYTHING really.

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Originally Posted by EmoRebellion

You must be going to a shitty dispensary is all I can say. Check out for a list of some good ones, or you can PM me with your area if you want.

I pay a little less than I used to, but the quality is off the charts. Plus you can get ANYTHING you want at the clubs. Any type of hash, oil, kif, shake, edibles, ice cream, soda, candy, suckers, tinctures, moon rocks, butter, cooking oil, ANYTHING really.

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i must be going blind-er, but i can't figure out how to PM.

i've only gone to a dispensary 2x. it was Alt. Caregivers, in Riverside. the price for meds ranged from 45-80 bucks per 1/8. i tried the 45 and it was about the same quality as most of the mexican dirt weed i'm used to. i also tried some 65 and it was slightly better. the 75 per 1/8 Master Kush i got was very good, but at 600 and OZ:yippee:, that won't be happening much. all the meds from the des. taste better then the dirt weed off the street, except the 45/eighth weed which was just about equal.

this is the only "walk in" desp. i know of in the area. i like walk in better than delivery. i live WAY out in the boonies (san. gab. mnts) and there probably aren't any deliveries to my area.i know some will meet you somewhere, but i have a somewhat busy schedule and whether it is or not i see this as a problem.

today i go to my usual black market source to P/U med. for 60/oz. it may taste and smell like crap, but dang at least this way i can both medicate AND eat. any info you'd like to pass along my way would be greatly appreiciated. i personally don't mind the dirt weed (i'm pretty low budget) but it's kind of embarrising (sp) to smoke it with others. it's just not hip!

i work full time and have a small amount of disposable income. but what about those that don't and can't, how do they manage these prices? i have a bipolar friend who's on SSI and he's stuck with the only option being to break the law and go BM. yes, i know that being low income will possibly get him a price break. but he brings in about 600/mo. even if the price break was 1/2 it would still be a struggle.

as with all other systems, there's something wrong. growing pains i guess.

Afew years ago I was busted, and every few months they came back. The last time , the cop said simply , get the card and if you have 3 pounds of clean bud , all I can do is look at it.
When they busted me they said we only took you plants and did not distroy anything else. They have not been to my house in the last 4 years. Quoting the cop'S , "why in the hell dident you get a permit".
ALWAYS REMEMBER A PLANT IS, A ROOT AND A LEAF, 1 in tall or 10 feet tall its counted as one plant, size does not mater.
The earth is flat do not fall off, you will always fall on the corners. :D

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Originally Posted by oldsanclem

Afew years ago I was busted, and every few months they came back. The last time , the cop said simply , get the card and if you have 3 pounds of clean bud , all I can do is look at it.
When they busted me they said we only took you plants and did not distroy anything else. They have not been to my house in the last 4 years. Quoting the cop'S , "why in the hell dident you get a permit".
ALWAYS REMEMBER A PLANT IS, A ROOT AND A LEAF, 1 in tall or 10 feet tall its counted as one plant, size does not mater.
The earth is flat do not fall off, you will always fall on the corners. :D

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yeah, if you're gonna be a grower or have 3 lbs sitting around, it would be a good idea to be as legal as possible. but if you're gonna be holding less than 1 oz, have connections and don't need to use a despensary, and know how to be cool and not attract the kind of attention that'll get you busted (which i've managed to do most of my life), i'd save the 150 the pot doc will cost and be on my merry way.

on the other hand getting all the legal papers helps with the cause of making MMJ more acceptable, and just MAYBE the bozos in charge will come up with a system that works.but then again we talking about government.

You can grow your own weed - legally. Why wouldn't you get a card?

Like stinkyattic said, you can grow your own! Eighths no longer cost $70, more like $10-15. (...Depending on multiple variables of course)

Nobody sets out to grow with the intention of being caught, but as we all know, some do. When that event happens, why wouldn't you want to have your ass covered?

Scenario A:
*BANG*
"Sheriff's Department! Don't move! Put your fucking hands up!"
*Multiple LEO's*
-No recommendation-
"You have the right to remain silent...."

Scenario B:
*BANG*
"Sheriff's Department! Don't move! Put your fucking hands up!"
*Multiple LEO's*
-Recommendation found on wall-
"One, two, three, four.....okay. He's within limits.....You know, you really should get your county card....."

As far as it being more expensive in the clubs; that's how we make sure none of it gets re-sold on the street. It's pretty hard to make any (worthwhile) money back on a $400-500 ounce; just do the math. Any anti-MMJ organizations/people would just LOVE to see a story about MMJ being resold on the street.

I would also think that getting the card also helps support the cause.

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Originally Posted by flakeyfoont

i must be going blind-er, but i can't figure out how to PM.

i've only gone to a dispensary 2x. it was Alt. Caregivers, in Riverside. the price for meds ranged from 45-80 bucks per 1/8. i tried the 45 and it was about the same quality as most of the mexican dirt weed i'm used to. i also tried some 65 and it was slightly better. the 75 per 1/8 Master Kush i got was very good, but at 600 and OZ:yippee:, that won't be happening much. all the meds from the des. taste better then the dirt weed off the street, except the 45/eighth weed which was just about equal.

this is the only "walk in" desp. i know of in the area. i like walk in better than delivery. i live WAY out in the boonies (san. gab. mnts) and there probably aren't any deliveries to my area.i know some will meet you somewhere, but i have a somewhat busy schedule and whether it is or not i see this as a problem.

today i go to my usual black market source to P/U med. for 60/oz. it may taste and smell like crap, but dang at least this way i can both medicate AND eat. any info you'd like to pass along my way would be greatly appreiciated. i personally don't mind the dirt weed (i'm pretty low budget) but it's kind of embarrising (sp) to smoke it with others. it's just not hip!

i work full time and have a small amount of disposable income. but what about those that don't and can't, how do they manage these prices? i have a bipolar friend who's on SSI and he's stuck with the only option being to break the law and go BM. yes, i know that being low income will possibly get him a price break. but he brings in about 600/mo. even if the price break was 1/2 it would still be a struggle.

as with all other systems, there's something wrong. growing pains i guess.

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Yeah man thats waay too much. I personally like Green Angel in Malibu. They have eighths for $55 and ounces for $385. The great thing about them is they split ounces. You can get 8 different 1/8s if you want for the $385 price. I think the quality is great for the price, they have a good variety all the time.

(Dont know if this is allowed, sorry) There is a site that has a pretty good list of clubs in all of cali, along with menus and reviews. Check out www..com. They even have a map so you can see whats close to you.

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Originally Posted by norkali

You can grow your own weed - legally. Why wouldn't you get a card?

Like stinkyattic said, you can grow your own! Eighths no longer cost $70, more like $10-15. (...Depending on multiple variables of course)


As far as it being more expensive in the clubs; that's how we make sure none of it gets re-sold on the street. It's pretty hard to make any (worthwhile) money back on a $400-500 ounce; just do the math. Any anti-MMJ organizations/people would just LOVE to see a story about MMJ being resold on the street.

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knowing this info. makes me feel MUCH better. so it costs the growers roughly 120 to grow and OZ, which sells for 600 at a desp.

until now i was thinking i was dealing with greedy "caregivers" taking advantage of sick people.

just an FYI all, I got my recommendation from medicann a few months ago and as far as I know, the 24hr verification is online only and so far, ALL the clubs I've gone to and delivery places I've tried required phone verification. Yup, I got my recommendation during my lunch break and was told that I was added to the online system for verification, went to a club that night and was sent home empty handed.

If you are on Medical the clinic in Riverside will only charge $125 and the county health department will give you a 50% discount on your own patient card and/or your caregivers card. I often buy my marijuana 4-8 ounces at a time so the card is like insurance against getting busted.

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just an FYI all, I got my recommendation from medicann a few months ago and as far as I know, the 24hr verification is online only and so far, ALL the clubs I've gone to and delivery places I've tried required phone verification. Yup, I got my recommendation during my lunch break and was told that I was added to the online system for verification, went to a club that night and was sent home empty handed.

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I dunno, Ive been to a few places that use the online verification.. They do have 24-hour phone verification though, its an automated system. I got my rec and went down the street and it already showed up online, less than 15 mins late.

If you take the effort to look online you will find many co-ops that cap at 45$ 1/8 with really good quality. Along with them having concentrates and clones. Having a recc also adds some legal security and is in general a wise thing to have. And there is no "card" really, just your doctors recc. Although I think they have started to issue LA county (and I'm sure other counties up north) ID cards.

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Originally Posted by pakaloloprince

Ok so im starting to think that theres really no reason for me to get a card. for one ill be spending 150 for the recommendation and then if i understand correctly ill spend more to get a card through the dispensary to be in their system. Then once i go to the dispensary the prices are much higher anyways then street prices.

Now if i get caught in california with less than 28.5 grams of marijuana all i get is a ticket that is a 100 dollar fine. seems worth it to just not get busted. but i do have a few questions such as what if i get caught with a pipe on me is there any different charge and say i get busted once what happens if i get busted a second time. and also if i get caught will my car insurance company find out about it and raise my insurance?

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hey pecclee man messed up the nam, but the idiotic reason for getting that license is just the way stuff is these days. I am not one to really preach for mines due in 3 days,again I am in wa,state,native cal boat and sail guy.Hey it just might mean the difference someday in your freedom or alot of months in the county, and If your doin big, man, theyd hand your ass, just play by the retarded rules and get doctors to advocate where they should. How would you like to go to college even for an m/d license. Docs are upset cause our government tells them what we get some drunk idiot? But dont go to jail for a statement or something. not worth it.

where do you live? i live in so cal but the prices are usually more expensive... cards vary

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Originally Posted by Elote20

Get a card if you can. Don't trust cops they will always find ways to put more charges on you. And if you get caught twice, the second time they might put a intention to distribute charge on you.

and 150$ for a card? You sure your in southern cali? Around here can get em for 60$- 80$ AND the clinic prices for bud is cheaper than street dealers.

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Would you mind sharing where you got your card and where you buy your medicine? I have seen it elsewhere, so assume it is o.k.! If not, I guess you'd better send the ban to me, cause I am :wtf: I am going to the wrong places!

The best prices I found were $125. for rec. my county no state lic. issued, but Riverside, as prev. quoted half price for some and $150.00 for everyone else. But, medicine, Is there a discount shop I haven't found! Oh no! I don't think it was the one that was shut down last month, too pricey! pr:jointsmile:

I'd get the recommendation and the card if it comes with the recommendation for free but I'd avoid the county issued card. It is unnecessary and opens you up to a whole bunch of potential problems.

County can lick my ball sac.

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Originally Posted by leadmagnet

I'd get the recommendation and the card if it comes with the recommendation for free but I'd avoid the county issued card. It is unnecessary and opens you up to a whole bunch of potential problems.

County can lick my ball sac.

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The County Health Dept (in Riv Cty) sells the State Card> makes sense? Like me selling prescription pads for my Dr.!

I think we all feel about the same way about the Gov't. I best let it go at that.

If you are growing, I would suggest you have a State card. At least, once they work out all the new regulations from county to county,:wtf: as mmj will be a source of taxes one day and probably sooner than you think! PR :rastasmoke:

I guess the State Card in Calif. isn't so important or my county would issue one. However, I have met people in this county that have one from Riverside and this county LEO accepted it! pr :jointsmile:

It does support the cause and the more people that get cards the lower the price will be!

if u have the county card u walk it says you shall not confiscate nor arrestand in riverside it works oh and if im at spot when it gets poped i have a legal reason to be there although my dealer will get arrested u might not look so good after though

the best med prices are in sfv grams of kush fer like 15$ and thats with tax and like45 fer an 1/8 but theres alot of dispensaries out there ther like liqour stores open till 2am

hey pain u go to the riv mapp meeting on the 1st. have you heard about the holloween party/fund raiser for verified patients. hope to see you there sometime

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Originally Posted by painretreat

The County Health Dept (in Riv Cty) sells the State Card> makes sense? Like me selling prescription pads for my Dr.!

I think we all feel about the same way about the Gov't. I best let it go at that.

If you are growing, I would suggest you have a State card. At least, once they work out all the new regulations from county to county,:wtf: as mmj will be a source of taxes one day and probably sooner than you think! PR :rastasmoke:

I guess the State Card in Calif. isn't so important or my county would issue one. However, I have met people in this county that have one from Riverside and this county LEO accepted it! pr :jointsmile:

It does support the cause and the more people that get cards the lower the price will be!

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the county issued cards as it relates to growing (in Kalifornia, anyway). The only cause it supports is big brother and the ability for local LEO to label us because otherwise it is unnecessary even from a legal point of view.

Cheers.

Lead

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Originally Posted by EmoRebellion

You must be going to a shitty dispensary is all I can say. Check out for a list of some good ones, or you can PM me with your area if you want.

I pay a little less than I used to, but the quality is off the charts. Plus you can get ANYTHING you want at the clubs. Any type of hash, oil, kif, shake, edibles, ice cream, soda, candy, suckers, tinctures, moon rocks, butter, cooking oil, ANYTHING really.

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I do not have aol to p.m you. I do not see that option here in the forum.
My zip code is 92627 - costa mesa. Know of any in my area that are good.
Do not want to pay overprice for crappy quality. Willing to drive further for :

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Thanks

lead, it isn't that I disagree with you. I am just old enough that I am cautious, yet I will do what needs to be done to get it legal for everyone in all states, if it helps!

I am afraid as the next person of having my name on a list with the County and State of Calif or for that matter the DEA for all I know. But, if we don't stand up for and claim our rights, no one else will get them nationwide!

Alt. Caregivers was closed last month in Riverside, it may have re-opened by now, not sure! At their prices, they needed to! I couldn't afford them. It is hard to find a reasonably priced place!

Since, the '60's and our 'terrorist laws' civil disobedience doesn't work. So, I am going to work the system within the system, as much as I possibly can! You can bet when I get my first grow going, I'll be much more cautious, too!

I just want to do all I can to further the cause! I have been to Barnes & Noble looking for my mmj books and could not find them. Finally, I asked and sure enough, under the counter--can you believe that?? I just did not want to order on the net and risk my name out there and prefer to go and buy in my hand what I need and want, to keep my credit cards, name clean as it can be!

When Barnes and Nobel puts the books on the shelf and carries High Times, I think it will be a good feeling to know you contributed to the cause. Not to mention the sites that need support for the cause: norml, safe access, etc! Pr :jointsmile:

ps101: (almost missed your note) :jointsmile:I was on line here when I realized it was meeting night! Was gonna go tonight and had to go to Dr. today and by the time I got Rx'd etc. was too late! I hope to go to a meeting in the Hi Desert the 3rd Weds-if I do not forget! :thumbsup:

I must caution you though, :wtf:there was a person that was growing for a collective of private party mmj patients that was arrested 2 wks ago on the day he was to appear as a witness for a MAPP organizer. No rules were broken, just harassment. Hopefully, since I saw his State card and he has all the proper paperwork for other people in collective, it is seen for what it is. However, you really don't want to go to jail for 2 hours even, if it can be prevented. IN this case, the card did not help. But, I bet it will get the charges dropped, just not the legal fees! Which is why we need to be as cautious as possible!

I'll call about the party, I sure as heck will be there! C U there! PR :thumbsup:

For anyone else that is wondering what we are talking about, call: (951) 782-9898 and ask for Lanny: If u get the Portland office, call back when they are in and ask for details! This is a Dr. Office and they allow the use of the conference room for various purpose's! Like us!!:D And it is a great place for anyone in the Inland Empire to go!!

There is a T.V. station on cable 32 in Riverside and Norco every Tuesday at 8P.M. (I do not get that cable); there iS A radio prog. on Monday at 6 PM on KCAA radio 1050AM : And a meeting at the above place every Friday at 8PM with the focus on education! And the socialization!!

A lot of questions I find here, you can and will find the answers of there. And why you'd be interested in having your State card or not. It will always be a personal decision! As long as bagweed is around!

lead: I can see both sides and points of view. At some point, I just feel, I need to do all I can to help keep everyone in all 50 states out of jail! I do not condone or condemn how you feel! It is your right and I respect it! PR
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I am sure you saw me last month! I was really ticked I screwed this whole week up. I went last Friday and guess, I just put it on a back burner in my head! I will be at the fund raiser. did u go to the one last Saturday? PR

Ooops, Emo sorry for thread jacking! PR :smokin:

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lead, it isn't that I disagree with you. I am just old enough that I am cautious, yet I will do what needs to be done to get it legal for everyone in all states, if it helps!

I am afraid as the next person of having my name on a list with the County and State of Calif or for that matter the DEA for all I know. But, if we don't stand up for and claim our rights, no one else will get them nationwide!

Alt. Caregivers was closed last month in Riverside, it may have re-opened by now, not sure! At their prices, they needed to! I couldn't afford them. It is hard to find a reasonably priced place!

Since, the '60's and our 'terrorist laws' civil disobedience doesn't work. So, I am going to work the system within the system, as much as I possibly can! You can bet when I get my first grow going, I'll be much more cautious, too!

I just want to do all I can to further the cause! I have been to Barnes & Noble looking for my mmj books and could not find them. Finally, I asked and sure enough, under the counter--can you believe that?? I just did not want to order on the net and risk my name out there and prefer to go and buy in my hand what I need and want, to keep my credit cards, name clean as it can be!

When Barnes and Nobel puts the books on the shelf and carries High Times, I think it will be a good feeling to know you contributed to the cause. Not to mention the sites that need support for the cause: norml, safe access, etc! Pr :jointsmile:

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The thing is, by getting the county card to try to cover yourself as it relates to growing you aren't doing yourself or the cause a favor in the State of Kalifornia because you're simply conforming to a perversion of the law by local law enforcement authorities. THEY (LEO) need to be made to comply with the law! We already are.

By the way, been around a few years myself. Long enough to remember some of the dirty tricks for which the FBI became famous under Hoover in his tutu. I'm not sure if you noticed but many of the regulations enacted since then to curb federal authority abuses have recently been removed (under the guise of protecting the American public, of course).

So guess what? We're now back to the good old days; and turning over our names, addresses, and personal business to the feds via a county issued cannabis card ain't doing nobody any favors but those who wish to wipe their asses with the US Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and the principles under which this nation was founded.

I can not and I will not recommend to my fellow citizens that they obtain a document that will assist federal authorities waging their "drug war" against our people. By law in Kalifornia, your doctor's recommendation (maintained like all other medical information confidentially between you and your doctor) to use, possess, and grow cannabis for your medical condition is adequate.

One does not stand up for and claim their rights by handing them over to federal officers even if via county LEO and their tool health departments. One does not futher the cause by bending over the courtroom bannister and allowing the federal prosecutor to ram the bone home. Our job is to finds ways insure that LEO abides by the law and hold them responsible criminally and financially when they don't.

I respect your opinion though, and again; I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Lead

Apparently I exceeded the time limit to edit my post.

I would prefer to have phrased one of my last comments "Our challenge is to finds ways to insure that LEO abide by the law and hold them responsible criminally and financially when they don't".

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Originally Posted by leadmagnet

The thing is, by getting the county card to try to cover yourself as it relates to growing you aren't doing yourself or the cause a favor in the State of Kalifornia because you're simply conforming to a perversion of the law by local law enforcement authorities. THEY (LEO) need to be made to comply with the law! We already are.

By the way, been around a few years myself. Long enough to remember some of the dirty tricks for which the FBI became famous under Hoover in his tutu. I'm not sure if you noticed but many of the regulations enacted since then to curb federal authority abuses have recently been removed (under the guise of protecting the American public, of course).

So guess what? We're now back to the good old days; and turning over our names, addresses, and personal business to the feds via a county issued cannabis card ain't doing nobody any favors but those who wish to wipe their asses with the US Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and the principles under which this nation was founded.

I can not and I will not recommend to my fellow citizens that they obtain a document that will assist federal authorities waging their "drug war" against our people. By law in Kalifornia, your doctor's recommendation (maintained like all other medical information confidentially between you and your doctor) to use, possess, and grow cannabis for your medical condition is adequate.

One does not stand up for and claim their rights by handing them over to federal officers even if via county LEO and their tool health departments. One does not futher the cause by bending over the courtroom bannister and allowing the federal prosecutor to ram the bone home. Our job is to finds ways insure that LEO abides by the law and hold them responsible criminally and financially when they don't.

I respect your opinion though, and again; I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Lead

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very good post :thumbsup:

Plain and simple.....You dont need a card....just grow your own.... stay out of the system.

I been growing for over 15 years...havent bought any weed for 15 years....dont need a medical card... dont depend on a co-op... be self sufficient:thumbsup:

Get a State ID mmj user card---:wtf4:
My county does not issue a card-however, I've heard the LEO may or may not honor one from other counties (as per one person that was caught & released like a bass)! :wave1:

Last night in a Anti-Prohibition meeting. Basically, Lead, you must have been there! Immediately, someone rang out--we are obeying the law. Everyone in that room for the most part is! The problem is the LEO and county non-compliance.

The local MAPP group has a meeting coming up with the Sheriff himself and he wants us to bring a list of what and how we would like them to handle mmj patients. Basically, follow the law!

Unfortunately, the law for them use's the word "JUDGEMENT'--and I am doubtful that word should be given to an over zealous :rambo:LEO, as some don't have any decent judgement or common sense!

Seems the Cal. Hwy Patrol has a reasonable system for dealing with it and a list of their rules will be obtained and reviewed to give to the Sheriff, unless it allows what has been going on. We'll see. If Riverside County comes to the table--that is a start.

So, having a State issued card is a way of saying, 'Look buddy, you have many thousands of people that need mmj legally without the legal problems.' With only a few cards out there, it appears there is no need. The card makes you a serious contender to help get it legalized! The expense is for printing them, as they do so few!!! The more they have orders for the lower the price. And significant discounts are already in place for disabled and low income.

If I were growing where I live and now, I might be a little more tenuous about the idea of getting one (a card). Depending on how the Sheriff's handle it and a new protocol for handling it.

Mostly, it seems the card really is to protect the grower that is growing for more than one--IMHO!

With my little rec--I will do what I can and need to. It allows me to gro and suffice my medical needs. $125.-$150. is just too much a year for a rec made from another Dr. medical records of me! If everyone that needs and/or use's it has a card, it sends a big message--There is a NEED here. With all the groups involved in getting it legal, a card will help the cause (particularly for large grow ops). For the cause, I most likely will get one. I will have to vape on that one a bit! As, my real feelings are-I do not want one and have it issued by the state that gives me my DL. I will fear that a routine traffic stop could be a mess. Since, I was stopped last eve by an LEO and let go without a problem, or having to get out of my vehicle--I was pleased. Would that happen if I had a card and registered with the State and the County like my dog is! I am already registered with DMV for my DL and my professional license (which is expensive).

I do have little faith in the Gov't. I dedicated my road when I made an improvement. They took 1/2 acre free and another 1/2 vanished. Last night I found out why--on the net, they have moved my boundaries! Not to the sites of my survey markers. This is the 2nd time this has happend to me and it sucks! No compensation, other than 'you aren't paying taxes on it!' (the road runs right through the middle of most properties here and not even close to the boundary markers--duh!

I believe a State Registered Card that says you are following the law, is like paying to tell them you are not guilty. It is a double edged razor! If and when my county issue's them and I need one to feel protected to grow (provided I am for another that is not on the property), I would want them to have a card--for my protection. Still not too sure about my own compliance, except my dedication to get it legalized in all 50 and Puerto R.

As case in point is going on now in Riverside County. He did everything right, registered, etc. The charges were basically dropped. However, he is suing the County for infringing on his rights and whatever legal stuff the lawyer came up with. It is a fairly large lawsuit due to all the circumstances. And believed that this is why the Sheriff has finally after years of mmj activist's asking, agreed to a face to face meeting to try to resolve this in future case's. And make written guidelines-protocols for Riv. County, that we favor.

We simply want Calif. LEO's to uphold the law in this state! That has a lot to do with the card. If I were living in Riverside Cty, I would have had to decide by now to get one. But, I don't.

Things will get better. In Montana, they recognize those cards from any State! Another state, as well. By getting them, the States will share and see the people #'s in need. Maybe every state will make it legal and co-operate!! I have no clue what that does for people living in Wash. D.C. though!

The law in CA to legalize it is being promoted as the answer to fill the budget deficit!! Since, most states are in the same position, who cares what reason they use, so long as they legalize! We already pay taxes here--it is figured into the donation in most dispensaries-collective-co-op's. Looks like everyone is gonna be taxed, like crazy.

And Ronnie will be up for pre-trial in the next few weeks, plus his trial starts in about a month--for those interested! Plus, a fund raising party to support his legal defense. for Ronald check and other local news on this::lookat: check out MarijuanaNews.com - The Most Trusted Source for Marijuana and Cannabis News Since 1997 with Richard Cowan :rastabanna:

Our meetings are great. You can pick and choose, what and how much you want to do or watch. Earlier this month, we had a cultivator speak :jawdropper:and an avenue for:giveflower: discount seeds :lovestruck:with the knowledge to grow them was a great topic. Wish I had my own strain, :)I'd be doing that all over the states to promote my seeds. Particularly, if I took many years to develop one :weedpoke:and the hype is hi about it right now. But, a good seed can be sold anytime. I have heard some say, a 3 yr. old seed or strain is 'really an old one!' Except for Kush (similar names you hear in the movies, etc.)-that seems popular for all. So, if you want to teach something in the area of mmj and/or growing :greenthumb:you can check out that newsletter and email requests to speak, if you like. This group has meetings all over S. Cali for everyone . Cochella on the 7th of March!
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Hope this is understandable, since I think much faster than I type and use PC--I was unable to edit in 10 min on dial-up that keeps knocking me off line! 10 min isn't enough for bad dial up in remote areas. pr

NO, do not waste your money on a 'card' ... it is only a scam, SOME counties use, to make a few quick bucks ... you do NOT need it, by Law ... all you need, is the doctor's recommendation to use marijuana ... my doctor gives a wallet-sized card, in addition to the full-size letter ... if you don't get one, too, then have a photocopy shrunk to wallet-size ... but, don't waste your money on something that is NOT required, (unless, you have an uncontrollable urge to notify your police force where to look for pot) ... :wtf:

I/R thanks, I do agree with you. If I had to live without mmj the rest of my life I could. Wish I could say ganja was my best friend and partner for life, it just isn't. As much as I love it, I feel I could stay clean, get a card and let them snoop. Finding or making the right strain for me is most important.

Getting the card would be a political statement, San Berdo county will not issue them. Unlikely they will in this economy.

Guess I'll find out just how dedicated to legalization I am! It is a very dubious position.

I'll revisit with you if I decide to go nuts---how is that??? I love your passion in what you believe in and go for, much admiration. And certainly much more experience & wisdom than I!

I'd love nothing more than a Field of Weed-legally. Or a house of it.

For now--I am in a county that does not give cards. I really want to do all I can for the cause. Not sure if I will sacrifice my freedom.

BTW, if you need help with a get away vehicle or bailed out--call! You're always welcome to the utilities and dump use here on the QT if you need when passing thru! If I compromise myself, I'll let ya know! I keep my name off stuff. I simply have my rec.

I am sure growing is a passion of mine. I fear loose lips, I don't care who or what the other person is or does. I don't place my freedom at someone's disposal, unless it is for good cause. I will not intentionally shitcan my life either! I am not going to buy anymore (I hope), one way or another!

Thanks for caring! You, surely have more passion and sense, than I. Enjoy your travels--any sightseeing pics to share lately? I vicariously enjoy your travels! Do you use one of those Verizon Wireless gizmos for satellite?

Ultimately, it is a personal decision! Waiting to see how the political fallout dusts off is the best approach.
p/r :thumbsup: