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G is for gun: Texas in a class of its own
G is for gun: Texas in a class of its own
* Andrew Clark, New York
* August 19, 2008
WHEN teachers return for a new school term in the tiny Texas farming town of Harrold, they may be packing more than books and pens. To defend students from any gun-toting maniacs, they can also carry loaded pistols into the classroom.
The remote rural community has appalled gun-control advocates by becoming America's first to allow teachers to bear concealed firearms.
Harrold's school board maintains that the move is necessary because the town is 40 kilometres from the nearest sheriff's office, making it hard to get swift help in an emergency. Also, its location, just metres from a major highway, makes it a potential target for armed maniacs.
"We are 30 minutes from law enforcement," said Harrold's school superintendent, David Thweatt. "How long do you think it would take to kill all 150 of us? It would be a bloodbath."
Selected teachers are to be trained in crisis management. Mr Thweatt said: "When you have good guys with guns, the bad guys do less damage."
More than a dozen mass shooting tragedies have hit US schools over a decade, including the Columbine massacre that claimed 15 lives at a Colorado high school in 1999 and last year's Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 dead. The powerful pro-gun lobby argues that Congress sent out a message of vulnerability in a 1990 law that banned guns in schools, though the law was declared unconstitutional and overturned by the Supreme Court five years later.
"We've had a very disturbing trend of school shootings in the US," Mr Thweatt said. "It is my belief this is caused by making schools gun-free zones ? they became targets for people who wanted to rack up the body count."
At the Harrold school, armed teachers must get a state gun licence and will be required to use bullets of a type less liable to ricochet off walls or desks.
But teachers' unions in Texas have expressed horror. "It's up there with the worst ideas in the history of education," said Gayle Fallon, president of the Houston Federation of Teachers.
But Harrold's gun policy was praised by the nationwide Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Its chairman, Alan Gottlieb, said: "Allowing armed staff and teachers will provide a last line of defence if other security measures at the school fail."
Harrold's school board is unapologetic. "When you hear about these shootings, the reports always start out with 'this is a sleepy little place, nobody thought this would ever happen here'," Mr Thweatt said.
GUARDIAN
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G is for gun: Texas in a class of its own
"Allowing armed staff and teachers will provide a last line of defence if other security measures at the school fail."
After Virginia Tech and the Northern Illinois University shootings I'd have to side with this statement. Something needs to be done.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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Congratulations to Texas for having more common sense than the rest of the country, regarding gun carry :thumbsup: ... IF one single teacher had been carrying a gun at Columbine, etc., there would have been many lives saved ... period ... why would you trust a teacher with your child's mind, but not with a defensive gun ? ... right on, Tex !
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Originally Posted by texas grass
The remote rural community has appalled gun-control advocates by becoming America's first to allow teachers to bear concealed firearms.
apalled gun control nuts. lol, i like that. damn dirty lefties anyway.
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:rolleyes: It's a good thing to because school shootings have always taken place in tiny ass schools out in BFE. I love texas, the only thing we're progressive about is getting dumber. :thumbsup:
How about the public school systems anti up and hire some armed trained security instead of leaving it up to any ol 2nd amendment thumpin teacher with a carry conceal license?
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Originally Posted by greengoddess420
How about the public school systems anti up and hire some armed trained security instead of leaving it up to any ol 2 amendment thumpin teacher with a carry conceal license?
Exactly. I am neither pro gun rights or anti gun rights. To be honest I simply don't care. I guess I'd be pro because I feel if you want to have a gun you should be able to apply and get one, but for people to allow teachers to come to work armed. Do you know the amount of liability that would create at that point?
I hate law enforcement but this would be a situation that I'd have to vote in favor in hiring security over arming the teaching staff.
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Hooray for Texas!!! Your students will be safer because of it. The teachers are not forced to carry, and the volunteers will be trained.
One little correction Daihashi, you do not have to apply to get a gun, you have to pass a background check only. You have a RIGHT to own as many guns as you wish. Guns in the hands of the law abiding are NEVER a bad thing. Guns stop far more death than they cause in this country. (sorry, but this is one of my hot buttons):D
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Originally Posted by McDanger
One little correction Daihashi, you do not have to apply to get a gun, you have to pass a background check only. You have a RIGHT to own as many guns as you wish. Guns in the hands of the law abiding are NEVER a bad thing. Guns stop far more death than they cause in this country. (sorry, but this is one of my hot buttons):D
oh I don't have a problem with law abiding citizens owning guns. I'm talking about a can of worms this is from a legal standpoint.
I'm for anyone owning a gun who wants one.. personally they aren't for me, then again I've never gone to shoot one. I've just had no interest.
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Originally Posted by daihashi
I hate law enforcement but this would be a situation that I'd have to vote in favor in hiring security over arming the teaching staff.
That would be the ideal solution and most people would probably agree untill they found out what would happen to their taxes in order to provide security. To bad there are so many nut jobs out there these days.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
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:thumbsup: Texas!
It's issues like this that I was just talking about with friend last night. Gray lines, certain situations where you will be "damned if you do, damned if you don't."
We were talking about this in the context of the Middle East, and things she said and brought up made me realize where guys like 8182KSKush and P4B get their perspectives from, contrary to my own. (I love you guys! :hippy: lol) Because, after really thinking about it, both sides have their valid points. To be more specific, it was about the use of the Patriot Act combating terrorism, and its potential to be abused - both sides have very good, valid points, and like I said, one of those issues where you are "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
This is also one of those issues. We of course want our kids safe, and having a teacher there with the ability to intervene in a situation is great - but what happens if one of these concealed weapons is stolen? Or what if a teacher goes off of the deep end and pulls their gun on a kid? All of these scenarios are of course highly unlikely to play out, especially the latter two, but it's always those what-if's.......
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I think it's great as long as the Teachers are trained and have psych evaluations prior to being allowed to carry, man I've known so pretty strange teachers that could use some time with a shrink.LOL!
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
That would be the ideal solution and most people would probably agree untill they found out what would happen to their taxes in order to provide security. To bad there are so many nut jobs out there these days.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
They could get the money for security personnel by eliminating some deadwood from the dept. of education's payroll, for starters.
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I support this ruling, i'm pro-2nd ammendment and pro-CCW. In an emergency you only have seconds at most, they should roll this out at all schools, these environments need to be safe.
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
That would be the ideal solution and most people would probably agree untill they found out what would happen to their taxes in order to provide security.
Really? they don't seem to mind that ALL of their tax money and the tax money of the next 3-4 generations are being spent on supposed "homeland security" from a benign country?
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Originally Posted by greengoddess420
Really? they don't seem to mind that ALL of their tax money and the tax money of the next 3-4 generations are being spent on supposed "homeland security" from a benign country?
There is a difference, you are talking about Federal taxes. Most schools are funded with property taxes and most homeowners vote. Local politicians, especially on the school boards know this. That is why it is more important to vote in your local elections, you have more influence.
And 2/3 of federal tax money goes to entitlements, not homeland security.
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Originally Posted by greengoddess420
:rolleyes:
How about the public school systems anti up and hire some armed trained security instead of leaving it up to any ol 2nd amendment thumpin teacher with a carry conceal license?
what makes concealed-carry WORK, is the fact that no one knows WHO is carrying a weapon ... any nutcase can wait until the obvious 'security' person isn't around, before he does his evil deeds ... I used to deliver to Miami occasionally, where the receiver warned us NOT to arrive before sunup, too many truckers were being robbed and assaulted ... mere DAYS after Florida allowed concealed-carry, we were told to "come on down !" ... it was now safe, because even little old ladies possibly carried guns in their purses, the bad guys were running scared ... that is how the concealed-gun laws work to protect ... (I have owned guns since I was about 8 years old, my high school (Peoria,IL) had a Gun Club, we took our .22 rifles on the School Bus :wtf:, kept them in our lockers, and shot targets after school, NO, NEVER, a MISHAP) ... I am licensed to carry a gun, and did so, even before I was legal ... I have NEVER in my life, pointed a gun at any person, for any reason (I have, however, locked my gun in my car, while I whipped some clown's ass ! - that is known as 'gun control') :thumbsup:
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Just heard someone say my name, I have 2 thoughts.
1. Good for that community!
2. I can't imagine how it would affect a teacher to have to kill one of their students. What a horrible situation. Unfortunately that is the way things are, and no matter how justifiable homocide is in a situation like that, I know that any teacher that would have to do that would likely never ever be the same, I pray that no teachers have to kill any of their students, but kudos for that town for allowing the staff to have the oppurtunity to do so if need be. Hopefully the fact that they are packing heat will be deterrant enough, but kids these days.....sheesh.:gunfighter2:
Hopefully the teachers DO keep these concealed, hate to see "suicide by teacher" becoming the new Columbine fad.
Norkali you are absolutely right, we all in fact live, thrive, and stomp all over in the "gray area".:jointsmile:
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WOW if you guys feel the need to arm teachers then its time to evaluate your society.Having teachers packing heat is wrong on soo many levels its just a shame that you dont see it that way.
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Originally Posted by the image reaper
what makes concealed-carry WORK, is the fact that no one knows WHO is carrying a weapon ... any nutcase can wait until the obvious 'security' person isn't around, before he does his evil deeds ... I used to deliver to Miami occasionally, where the receiver warned us NOT to arrive before sunup, too many truckers were being robbed and assaulted ... mere DAYS after Florida allowed concealed-carry, we were told to "come on down !" ... it was now safe, because even little old ladies possibly carried guns in their purses, the bad guys were running scared ... that is how the concealed-gun laws work to protect ... (I have owned guns since I was about 8 years old, my high school (Peoria,IL) had a Gun Club, we took our .22 rifles on the School Bus :wtf:, kept them in our lockers, and shot targets after school, NO, NEVER, a MISHAP) ... I am licensed to carry a gun, and did so, even before I was legal ... I have NEVER in my life, pointed a gun at any person, for any reason (I have, however, locked my gun in my car, while I whipped some clown's ass ! - that is known as 'gun control') :thumbsup:
Only in Texas!!!!!
I/R you took the words out of my mouth! It needs to be concealed so no one knows who has them! That would work, best I think. Less likely the gun will be taken by the student and used against others.
Those kids are mean. A teacher died here a couple years ago, the students put a medication in his drink. He had a heart condition, it killed him!
I guess it levels the playing field. In fact, if the students thought there was a gun on the teachers person, maybe they'd behave better!
This is a messy situation. Perhaps, all the parents need to take a class, get educated on prev. massacre's (show videos, etc.) and start educating people what to watch for in 'kids that kill.' Like Columbine.
I have no answer. I feel it has to be an individual thing. In fact, I doubt they will get all teachers to agree to carry!
There is a new weapon on the market for everyone's personal use, Tazer's! Doubt that will work on something like, wasn't it in TX in the '70's when that nut sat in a bell tower and shot a bunch of college students for hours! Even with the cops there, they couldn't do much??::wtf: :hippy:
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Great read! Thanks for the post! Looks like they are really trying to do somthing here Good for them!
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Originally Posted by fishman3811
WOW if you guys feel the need to arm teachers then its time to evaluate your society.Having teachers packing heat is wrong on soo many levels its just a shame that you dont see it that way.
What exactly is soo wrong about it?
A gun is a tool, same as a hammer. It is the user that is the problem, not the inanimate object.
And guns don't kill, bullets do, unless you get beat over the head with it.;)
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Originally Posted by McDanger
Hooray for Texas!!! Your students will be safer because of it. The teachers are not forced to carry, and the volunteers will be trained.
One little correction Daihashi, you do not have to apply to get a gun, you have to pass a background check only. You have a RIGHT to own as many guns as you wish. Guns in the hands of the law abiding are NEVER a bad thing. Guns stop far more death than they cause in this country. (sorry, but this is one of my hot buttons):D
Guns stopping people being killed with guns ??????? mmmmmmmm
No matter how many times I read that it still strikes me as something of an oxymoron.
Two people with guns who open fire on each other are inevitably going to kill each other and possibly a few innocents as well.
The more weapons there are the easier they are for anyone to acquire.
I am only guessing but I would be willing to bet that most of the weapons used in school shootings are owned by the culprit and also fully legal.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
Two people with guns who open fire on each other are inevitably going to kill each other and possibly a few innocents as well.
I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:
What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:
What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.
I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Who is the better shot.
Who has the element of suprise.
How good the teacher is.
How good the assailant is.
Fire power.
Number of assailants.
I can just see it.
In the red corner,, 3 heavily armed psychotic teenagers and a pile of automatic weapons ,
AND !
In the blue corner the combined teachers of Nowhere High
A weapon in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing and in the hands of the unstable you just know it's got to go pearshaped.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
I hear this argument all the time, and let me ask you this:
What's going to get more people killed? A few hit in the cross-fire as a teacher defends against a mass-shooter, or a helpless population of fish in a barrel being intentionally targetted with no means of stopping it? It's just common sense; intentional slaughter is going to yield far more deaths than accidental collateral damage.
So true! I think all schools should allow their teachers to carry concealed weapons.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Who is the better shot.
Who has the element of suprise.
How good the teacher is.
How good the assailant is.
Fire power.
Number of assailants.
I can just see it.
In the red corner,, 3 heavily armed psychotic teenagers and a pile of automatic weapons ,
AND !
In the blue corner the combined teachers of Nowhere High
A weapon in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing and in the hands of the unstable you just know it's got to go pearshaped.
In most cases it only takes one bullet. I would much rather have a CHANCE of saving many students lives then the CERTAINTY that if they weren't stopped right away they will kill more then if they were shot in the back of the head at the start.
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It's simple really.
Party A has a fight with party B.
A punches B so B gets a stick and whacks A over the head, A get's really pissed so he gets a bigger stick to hit B with.
Thats how it starts and it ends with the current world situation of MAD.
The problem is made worse by the fact that the criminals will not hesitate to buy weapons that the law abiding can't buy, you have an AK so the crims buy something bigger and better that it would be illegal for you to buy.
It's definately a my dicks bigger than yours issue.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
It's simple really.
Party A has a fight with party B.
A punches B so B gets a stick and whacks A over the head, A get's really pissed so he gets a bigger stick to hit B with.
Thats how it starts and it ends with the current world situation of MAD.
The problem is made worse by the fact that the criminals will not hesitate to buy weapons that the law abiding can't buy, you have an AK so the crims buy something bigger and better that it would be illegal for you to buy.
It's definately a my dicks bigger than yours issue.
Like I said it only takes one bullet. The analogy you used isn't really relevant here, because how you say it it would be the same two people that were doing the fighting. Well in reality it would be different people every time so I don't think they would get anything that they already can't get now.
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Lets assume for a second that I am a gunman determined to kill a few schoolkids.
I know some of the teachers may be armed so what do I do ?
Simple , I nail them first, if they don't see it coming it's impossible to stop.
I wait till lunch and while they're eating I spray thier lunch room with the fragrance of Uzi .. :D :thumbsup:
I promise you that arming teachers you will not put an end to school shootings , as long as nutters can easily access weapons there will be more killings.
I find the analogy very fitting.
The beginning of a school based arms war, very similar to cops being outgunned by crims , what's to stop the kids getting bigger and better firepower.
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Whats wrong with cops patrolling schools rather than untrained teachers....
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Originally Posted by McDanger
What exactly is soo wrong about it?
A gun is a tool, same as a hammer. It is the user that is the problem, not the inanimate object.
And guns don't kill, bullets do, unless you get beat over the head with it.;)
I think I always heard, guns don't kill, people do!
Teachers have enough trouble buying students supplies to be students with. A gun is not a "tool" of that trade, yet? Let the teachers keep buying school supplies.
Guns aren't exactly cheap. Who will pay for them? Train the teachers, etc? The cost of security could be cheaper. If it saves one life!
We have 'Citizen Patrols' here. Where citizens learn and take class's to patrol for weak showing of police. They are posted at the schools. Several during arrival and departure. So, put private citizen's, volunteering to protect the kids! just a thot! :rastasmoke:
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u know, none of this would be a point to debate if some1 had made it clear in the constitution in the beginning and we didnt need "interpretation" of the clause by people other than 4 fathers.
many things can be concluded from the simple "right to bear arms"
think about it,
did they mean it as
an individual's right?
or
a collective right?
meaning, did they reserve that right for people to perhaps rebel armed against a non-functioning out of the path government when they talk about militia to defend the people or they meant it for every person to own and have to kill on offense or defense... its not even about hunting, but it makes no sense to me to give people as individuals right to bear arms against each other, for what purpose would such a great article include such a useless clause, the result is what we have seen and yet more to come. and we keep insisting on responding fire with fire, so much for civilization!
and when it gets to making a stance against the government when really needed, we still treat the bastards as freakin saints! like president is sent by god or jesus or some1!
u know what i think, i really think they needed to put a clause in constitution:
Common sense must be considered and used mandatorily by all citizens and agencies and agents of this land!
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A Rifle in Every Pot
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By GLENN REYNOLDS
Published: January 16, 2007
Knoxville, Tenn.
IT??S a phenomenon that gives the term ??gun control? a whole new meaning: community ordinances that encourage citizens to own guns.
Last month, Greenleaf, Idaho, adopted Ordinance 208, calling for its citizens to own guns and keep them ready in their homes in case of emergency. It??s not a response to high crime rates. As The Associated Press reported, ??Greenleaf doesn??t really have crime ... the most violent offense reported in the past two years was a fist fight.? Rather, it??s a statement about preparedness in the event of an emergency, and an effort to promote a culture of self-reliance.
And it may not be a bad idea. While pro-gun laws like the one in Greenleaf are mostly symbolic, to the extent that they actually make a difference, it is likely to be a positive one.
Greenleaf is following in the footsteps of Kennesaw, Ga., which in 1982 passed a mandatory gun ownership law in response to a handgun ban passed in Morton Grove, Ill. Kennesaw??s crime dropped sharply, while Morton Grove??s did not.
To some degree, this is rational. Criminals, unsurprisingly, would rather break into a house where they aren??t at risk of being shot. As David Kopel noted in a 2001 article in The Arizona Law Review, burglars report that they try to avoid homes where armed residents are likely to be present. We see this phenomenon internationally, too, with the United States having a lower proportion of ??hot? burglaries ?? break-ins where the burglars know the home to be occupied ?? than countries with restrictive gun laws.
Likewise, in the event of disasters that leave law enforcement overwhelmed, armed citizens can play an important role in stanching crime. Armed neighborhood watches deterred looting in parts of Houston and New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
Precisely because an armed populace can serve as an effective backup for law enforcement, the ownership of firearms was widely mandated during Colonial times, and the second Congress passed a statute in 1792 requiring adult male citizens to own guns.
The twin purposes of self and community defense may very well lie behind the Second Amendment??s language encompassing both the importance of a well-regulated militia and the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. As the constitutional and criminal law scholar Don Kates has noted in the journal Constitutional Commentary, thinkers at the time when the Constitution was written drew no real distinction between resisting burglars, foreign invaders or domestic tyrants: All were wrongdoers that good citizens had the right, and the duty, to oppose with force.
Greenleaf??s ordinance is consistent with this approach. But it may also serve another purpose.
Experts don??t think the Kennesaw ordinance, which has never actually been enforced, did much to change gun ownership rates among Kennesaw residents. And, given that Greenleaf??s mayor has estimated that 80 percent of the town??s residents already own guns, the new ordinance can??t make all that much of a difference. But criminals are likely to suspect that towns with laws like these on the books will be unsympathetic to malefactors in general, and to conclude that they will do better elsewhere.
To the extent that??s true, we??re likely to see other communities adopting similar laws so that criminals won??t see them as attractive alternatives. The result may be a different kind of ??gun control.?
Glenn Reynolds, a law professor at the University of Tennessee, is the author of the blog Instapundit and of ??An Army of Davids: How Markets and Technology are Empowering Ordinary People to Take on Big Government, Big Media and Other Goliaths.?
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they tried passing some bans on hand guns check out this second amendment ruling
totse.com | Second Amendment Ruling of 2008
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I am only guessing but I would be willing to bet that most of the weapons used in school shootings are owned by the culprit and also fully legal.[/QUOTE]
Then you would be wrong. At least in the US. That is why gun control never works, the criminals don't follow the laws anyway, so you only take guns from the law abiding.
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I just gotta pu my 2 cents in. As a concelled carrying permit holder, I dont see anyproblem here. All of you who are asking or questioning the armed teachers aim or knowlege of a teachers combate effectiveness. You obviously live a differant life than a Texan Or a NEw Mexican. Fire arms are a way of life here. When I was in elementary it was mandatory for students in 6th grade to take hunters and firearm saftey, just like drivers ED in highschool. Every one in my town was armed and their was no fear from anyone, basicaly everyone respected eachother. And if you have never taken a coras of been with people that know what their doin with firearms, then you are missing out. Because in evey country in the world fire arms are around, and if you dont know how to act around a gun that is safe then how are you gonna know what to do when a gun is pointed at you? I was in a country that I will not say about 3 years ago. Guns are outlawed their, the government said it is harder to get a gun than a nucler wepon. My first day their one of my friends friends asked me if I need some prtection for my trip, and handed me a 38 revolver and a teq nine semi auto 9mm. when countries take the wepons away from the people they only stay in the hands of people who should not have the wepons in the first place. In that situation, I still had no fear, even though the wrong people had the wepons. Being where I am from, I had more knowlege about those wepons and their wiielders, that I knew if some kind of situation happened, I would still be in control even though I was att a wepons dis advantage.
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Originally Posted by psychocat
I suppose that would depend on a few factors.
Who is the better shot.
Who has the element of suprise.
How good the teacher is.
How good the assailant is.
Fire power.
Number of assailants.
I can just see it.
In the red corner,, 3 heavily armed psychotic teenagers and a pile of automatic weapons ,
AND !
In the blue corner the combined teachers of Nowhere High
A weapon in the hands of a fool is a dangerous thing and in the hands of the unstable you just know it's got to go pearshaped.
Most crimes stopped by guns are done without a shot ever being fired.Most criminals shit their pants just from seeing a gun.
Where are these teenagers going to get "a pile of automatic weapons" ,automatic weapons are illegal unless you have a FEDERAL permit, and they don't give those out very freely. The news media talks a lot about automatic weapons, proving they know nothing about which they speak. You can't go to a gun store and buy an automatic weapon.
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Originally Posted by fishman3811
Whats wrong with cops patrolling schools rather than untrained teachers....
whats wrong with people patrolling thier own??? most people from these areas in question have the same knowlege most cops do in an armed situation. Our areas are full of ex cops vets, basicaly people who are not afraid to police their own even from the poilce if need.
their is no such thing as an untrained teacher
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Originally Posted by McDanger
Most crimes stopped by guns are done without a shot ever being fired.Most criminals shit their pants just from seeing a gun.
Not if thier gun is bigger and better than your gun :D
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Originally Posted by McDanger
Where are these teenagers going to get "a pile of automatic weapons" ,automatic weapons are illegal unless you have a FEDERAL permit, and they don't give those out very freely.
Just because it isn't legal to buy doesn't mean it can't be bought , after all in most places cannabis is illegal.
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Originally Posted by McDanger
The news media talks a lot about automatic weapons, proving they know nothing about which they speak. You can't go to a gun store and buy an automatic weapon.
Yeah because we all know a criminal is going to get his weapon from a legit source. :wtf:
Then of course there are plenty of places to find out how to turn your semi into full.
Full Auto AK-47: Select Fire AK-47 Conversion Manual by Butokukai
Hey Sativa sorry to be a pedant man but your sig has a problem.
It's spelled "THIER". :thumbsup:
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Well actually they are also illegal to manufacture for the general public. And NONE, I repeat NONE of the school shootings in this country were done with an automatic weapon!!!
The gun that kills the most is a .22.
"Yeah because we all know a criminal is going to get his weapon from a legit source."
You were the one that said "I am only guessing but I would be willing to bet that most of the weapons used in school shootings are owned by the culprit and also fully legal.". Do you believe your own words or not?:cool: