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Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
I was idly surfing the boards when I saw the thread on Affirmative Action. In essence it was a thread on equality and fairness and what have you. That made me think about another instance of inequality in our society.
I'm speaking, of course, about the division of men and women. I will freely admit that I frequently have my moments of EXTREME sexism, but I feel that that's largely because I haven't met too many really intelligent women or women that really have anything exciting or interesting to say. I don't make this generality about all women, because I HAVE met some extraordinary ones; just very few.
Anyway, I titled this thread as such because I wanted to get an idea from women on the boards about how they view equality between men and women. I am very aware of the salary discrepancies and military service issues. Women asked to be treated equally, and they largely are. However, I see allllllllllllll the time how woman still want to be treated differently. As "women" they say. Bull. Shit. You want to play both sides of the game and you know it.
"Be romantic." No. Know why? Guys hate it. If I wouldn't be romantic with my best friend, I sure as shit probably won't be romantic with you.
"Why don't you treat me like a woman anymore?" Uhh....because you asked not to be?
Now, this is all my personal opinion, but I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.
Please, give me your opinions. If nothing else this should make for some very interesting arguments.
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heres a bit from seinfeld, episode The Subway:
the same thing is talked briefly between her and a stranger..
*Elaine's train. She's carrying a wedding present. A older woman approaches
her*
Woman: I started riding these trains in the forties. Those days a man would
give up their seat for a woman. Now we're liberated and we have to stand.
Elaine: It's ironic.
Women: What's ironic?
Elaine: This, that we've come all this way, we have made all this progress,
but you know we've lost the little things, the niceties.
Woman: No, I mean what does 'ironic' mean?
Elaine: Oh...
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Gee....someone's got a problem with women.
And the statement about not meeting too many intelligent members of the opposite sex with exciting and/or interesting things to say.
Right back atcha' "Bro".
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Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
. . .Now, this is all my personal opinion, but I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.
Frankly, DaBudha, I think the problem you're having with women is not because of equality or your problems with that or with a lack of extraordinary women. The problem is because you're obnoxious. That comment above pretty well gave it away.
Doing something special for your girlfriend or spouse is a two-way street. My husband treats me nicely because he loves me and wants to. He opens doors, pulls out my chair, goes out of his way to say nice things, sends flowers, etc. But he doesn't have that market cornered. I do stuff for him, too. Cook for him. See that his house and clothes are clean. See that he's happy and healthy and well loved. Put love notes and gifts in his briefcase so he'll find them once he gets to his office. Do you ever look at the other side of that equation in your relationships? Somehow I'm doubting it.
Chivalry isn't dead in all man or in all people. And chivalrous behavior is not a matter of equality anyway. It's about courtesy and kindness and going out of your way for someone else. That ought to be something that both people in a relationship do gladly and without hesitation.
When you get the chip off your shoulder and work on those moments of "extreme sexism" that you mentioned, you may find that you'll suddenly find more extraordinary and intelligent women than you realized existed. Right now, I'd bet a year's pay they give you a very wide berth.
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^^ Yeah! What they said!!!:mad:
( I will get banned if I say what I really think so I will just say....)
Respect goes a long way, bub!!
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Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere
^^ Yeah! What they said!!!:mad:
( I will get banned if I say what I really think so I will just say....)
Respect goes a long way, bub!!
come on say it, take the ban and say whats on your mind. stand up for what you believe in and speak how you feel! a ban isn't a permanent scar..
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Well... I will say if a guy tries to give me "swift punch in the jaw", I'll give you three guesses (And the first two guesses don't count!;)),where he will be hit!
**HINT** It's a bit lower than the jaw.
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I believe we have a BINGO folks!:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by happiestmferoutthere
Well... I will say if a guy tries to give me "swift punch in the jaw", I'll give you three guesses (And the first two guesses don't count!;)),where he will be hit!
**HINT** It's a bit lower than the jaw.
balls, penis, stomach? lol first two dont count right?
edit: DAMN i was too slow!
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I think women's equality is misinterpreted by many and understood, only to those that have experienced it. Trying to understand is a nice thing to do. Getting angry and confused as a result, doesn't educate you and that seems to be what you are asking us. "What we want!"
We are women. We don't wanted treated like a man, with him holding a cocktail as we walk in the door from work and our shoes removed, carassed and asked "how was your day honey?" We do that for men and a real woman likes it when he does do that once in a while, regardless of equality or not! It is human kindness and makes anyone feel respected and loved by that special person!
Opening a car door is an individual thing--I don't think manners and respect need legislated.
IT IS EQUAL PAY AND TREATMENT IN THE WORK PLACE. NO GLASS CEILING! Sure, we do not have the muscle mass of men. I for one, could never have been a soldier with the physical requirements of strength!
When a new hire "male" comes to work, in a place you've been 7 years and he makes double your pay and you are his boss--that is a big one! Then in a few months he is head of the department!
For me, that is just one of very many issues. Even though I am not black--I am begining to think that it is much deeper for them, in ways that have been mentioned.
I PRAY FOR WORLD PEACE! When we lose discrimanation, in all forms--it will happen! pr
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so long as there are misinformed people and people who choose to ignore the facts (we call them ignorant) there will always be prejudice, descrimination, and ignorant hate.
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Most of the girls I've known and dated didn't seem to appreciate anything romantic I did for them... so I eventually just stopped doing it and treated them as an equal; they didn't seem to like that... go figure....
I just haven't met the right girl that will appreciate what I have to offer. That's all.
But, yeah, most females I have encountered do seem to want special treatment, and they can get extremely picky about it too. For example, they'll want all these niceties done for them and in return they allow us to be with them - dating, companionship, sex, etc.... as if it's some kinda divine privilege since they can always pick a "better guy" to be with that they can manipulate easier. On the other hand, most guys I've encountered expect too much sex and will manipulate girls for it..... but it doesn't surprise me since it's usually one of the few benefits they receive from a relationship. Guys end up doing all this chivilrous stuff to get laid, so then it's no surprise when a girl is over cautious and doesn't reciprocate with nice gestures.
We're both to blame... equally. lol
The women I get along with the most are lesbians; lesbians are awesome... I wish I was one...
On a tangent note, it makes me sick to be exposed to male breasts all the time while female breasts are censored/hidden from public view. Just because ours do not function we get to go topless without anything to cover them up? Ladies, you shouldn't have given up on the bra burning! (I support topless equality)
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GD....Your "tangent note" makes me think "what you are offering" that women don't seem to find attractive is the viewpoint stated right there.
Guess what....we're NOT all about the sex organs.....surprise!!
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
If I wouldn't be romantic with my best friend, I sure as shit probably won't be romantic with you
oh boy...tsk tsk tsk...Have you ever "made it" with a lady?...if you haven't...that's why you feel this way...
You must be very familiar with Jill...
Let me introduce you (those who don't know Jill) to Jill
Look at your right hand palm down, what do the lines of your fingers spell?
1.) Thumb + forefinger = "J"
2.) Middle Finger = "I"
3.) Ring and Pinky = two "L"'s...
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.
Please, give me your opinions.
All right, you asked for it...
The world gives back what you put into it. No wonder chicks treat you like shit. You come across in this post like a guy who deserves it.
Try punching THIS chick, with both a military and commercial fishing background, supplemented by a lot of time as a farm laborer, in the jaw... If it weren't for the ever-so-fashionable sparkly right hand ring, you'd think the mark was left by a man. And I still really DO blush and giggle and get my nails did and let dudes hold the door for me and wear skirts and heels and have a cute boyfriend who takes me out for dinner and I cook a mean lasagne.
But at the end of the day, the name on the check that pays for my house and car is MINE. And when I need someone to come by with a trailer, or help me move something heavy, I wait until lawn mowing day and throw the landscaper another 40 bucks to add another job to the visit. Simple, business, done. It comes to mind that if you are doing a favor for a chick just because you want to get laid- lolol that's not a real favor! And since when is equality a 'special right'?
Do you even know the MEANING of chivalry? The world has changed a lot since women were not allowed to vote or own property, and were considered the property of their husband or father. There's a difference between being genuinely nice while being respectful, and being 'nice' in a way that demeans the recipient of your fake niceness. Maybe if you have outdated expectations, you should move to Saudi Arabia, where your wife will not be allowed to drive a car or work without your permission, and you can be the attentive husband and throw her a bone every so often- you know, hold the door for her, or bring her home flowers, because hey, in the big scheme of things, you can afford such tokens of chivalry without any risk to your own power in the household!
Sorry you want girls to play Damsel in Distress for ya... I'm not into that particular fetish, bro.
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Does it really cause you that much trouble to do little nice things for a woman because they're a woman, and not do majorly unfair things for a woman because they're a woman?
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Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
P.S. - I wasn't implying I do favors for "special" return favors Stinky (If you referred to me in your post...)
Me and my better half are doing quite well
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Did I quote you? No. Directed at the comment in the quote box.
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Women have equal rights but, do they have equal responsibility's? Example: If the USA were to get into a big war where we needed drafts, who would be the ones getting drafted?
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A large part of the unfairness towards women, and others, throughout history is due to the influence of religion. When I was single and dating, I was frequently confounded by so-called "liberated" women who clung to their religous beliefs. This did not impress me as being very intelligent.
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We can't keep blaming it on something else. Let's just be men, and stand up for our oppressive leanings: "Yes, it was us, we did it! It's a fair cop. I'm soo bad!"
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I think in response to the draft question, that's a good point. I'm in favor of equal-opportunity draft, in theory (explained below). However you do remember that in wartime, women traditionally have put in a great effort in the factories, where they can both 'hold down the fort' and also do work towards supplying the war machine.
The biggest issue with a draft that included women that I can see is how would one draw the line with children? Obviously a pregnant woman cannot be drafted; would women then be compelled to get KTFU to avoid a draft? I mean, already, some *cough* skeezy *cough* chicks have kids for welfare or child support bucks; hell, my buddy's ex has the hat trick, and da daddies all make bank. Bitch never needs to work again. Anyway, I think it would cause a LOT of problems. Let's just hope we never have another draft...
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I know women contributed greatly to WW2 in the factory's,but working in a relatively safe environment and putting your neck in the line of fire are two completely different things. Why shouldn't it be both working in the factory's during draft times and on the battlefield as well? As to what you said about women getting pregnant to avoid a draft well that is what some women have been doing forever to get paid! lol. But not every women would be willing to get pregnant to dodge the draft. If they wanted to go that far they could just go to Canada lol.
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I totally agree that it should be on the battlefield too, but good fucking luck with that.
Only those with money could afford to go to Canada... and any broad with one functional ovary and a case of Natty in the fridge can get herself a sperm donor... and not have to even go as far as the mailbox.
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
I haven't met too many really intelligent women or women that really have anything exciting or interesting to say.
Now, this is all my personal opinion, but I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.
Please, give me your opinions. If nothing else this should make for some very interesting arguments.
Well right off the bat I would say that women with any intelligence probably avoid you like a bad habit.
Intelligence usually attracts intelligence so You may need to look no further than yourself to determine why you arent meeting smarter women. My guess is you dont put yourself in places where more intellgent women are. Even if you were, I doubt you will find many women who are intelligent who also want to risk being punched in the jaw but good luck with that anyway.
Overall I would say your post was pretty unintelligent so IMO a 2 dollar crack ho would be more your speed. Just my opinion though.
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oh my god. best thread title i have ever seen on here, and funniest thread ever. you could almost set your watch to some of the responses. except for the one of the huge pair of animal nuts, that was a most welcome curveball. the shit eating grinng of the woman touching the balls that is too funny. haa
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My my, leave for 24 hours and look where things go...
I'm not quite sure why, but every single woman on here seems to think I either
A. Don't respect women.
B. Think women are inferior.
C. Have never had sex nor been in a relationship.
As misguided and incorrect as all those views are, they are still personal to everyone and I can't really hassle you about them.
Anywho, I stand by my main point. Equality is essentially defined by itself, in that the word means exactly what it says. If you would do something for one side and not for another, you are conciously and purposefully shooting down equality. Therefore, you cannot be a woman and expect a man to treat you like he will other men. I do not expect in the slightest for a woman to treat me as she would another woman. I firmly believe that equality (much like peace) is a lie, a dream conjured up by the oppressed. Would I totally dig it if it worked? Of course, but I highly doubt it ever will.
I also cannot say that I help to encourage equality by my very nature, since I don't believe it's actually real. And no, the fact that I havn't met many intelligent women actually has nothing to do with my attitude, because I'm not one bit in person as I am on these boards. On the internet, one can say anything with near impunity. If I had said my TRUE views in reality, I can imagine the backlash would be much the same as is seen here.
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
All right, you asked for it...
The world gives back what you put into it. No wonder chicks treat you like shit. You come across in this post like a guy who deserves it.
Try punching THIS chick, with both a military and commercial fishing background, supplemented by a lot of time as a farm laborer, in the jaw... If it weren't for the ever-so-fashionable sparkly right hand ring, you'd think the mark was left by a man. And I still really DO blush and giggle and get my nails did and let dudes hold the door for me and wear skirts and heels and have a cute boyfriend who takes me out for dinner and I cook a mean lasagne.
But at the end of the day, the name on the check that pays for my house and car is MINE. And when I need someone to come by with a trailer, or help me move something heavy, I wait until lawn mowing day and throw the landscaper another 40 bucks to add another job to the visit. Simple, business, done. It comes to mind that if you are doing a favor for a chick just because you want to get laid- lolol that's not a real favor! And since when is equality a 'special right'?
Do you even know the MEANING of chivalry? The world has changed a lot since women were not allowed to vote or own property, and were considered the property of their husband or father. There's a difference between being genuinely nice while being respectful, and being 'nice' in a way that demeans the recipient of your fake niceness. Maybe if you have outdated expectations, you should move to Saudi Arabia, where your wife will not be allowed to drive a car or work without your permission, and you can be the attentive husband and throw her a bone every so often- you know, hold the door for her, or bring her home flowers, because hey, in the big scheme of things, you can afford such tokens of chivalry without any risk to your own power in the household!
Sorry you want girls to play Damsel in Distress for ya... I'm not into that particular fetish, bro.
I'm sorry Stinky but, I honestly have no clue how you came to most of you're conclusions.
I never once said I wanted my wife to do anything special for me. In fact, I DON'T want her to do anything special for me. I also DON'T want to have to do anything special for her. If we love each other. that's enough. Also, I never said equality was a "special right". It's God-Given (provided there is a God). However, if you ever ask me to do something I wouldn't do for you, one of our asses is on the curb, and I don't particularly mind if it's mine, because at least I would be away from hypocrisy.
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I probably shouldn't mention the fact that most people are going out of their way to insult me and that the two mods who've responded to the thread (who are women) most likely won't do anything about it. But I just did, so that's that. Luckily it's nearly impossible to insult me, because everyone takes life FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR too seriously. I'm extremely glad that I don't.
Do I smell a ban-hammer descending upon me? Perhaps.
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DaBudha, before you go accusing folks of insulting you, you might want to have someone else read your original thread back to you aloud so you can see if you can hear how it sounded.
Trust me, it was offputting. Particularly the remark about someone deserving a swift punch in the jaw but also the parts where you editorialized about sexism and equality. And now you don't like that. I even got a note from one of the guy moderators saying could "smell the misogyny" in your comments, so it wasn't just women who took you that way.
Seriously, take a step back and conduct yourself a little independent focus group on that original post by having an objective bystander, maybe one of each gender, to give you their candid responses. You asked for people to respond with their opinions and that's what happened. It didn't appear to any of the rest of us on the mod team that you got anything more in response than some candid opinions. If you'd gotten all-out flamed in response, we would indeed have responded. We get a lot of this here. People tell others what they think and then yell "insult" when they don't like what people say, but a personal insult is not the same thing as what you received in those responses. The comment that came closest to meriting the deletion of the thread for moderation reasons was your original post.
You're not going to be infracted or banned for expressing what you did at the top or bottom of this thread, nor is anyone who responded. But if you're not liking what you're hearing, you might want to take a step back before you post further opinions. On this thread specifically you'd probably do well to stop while you're ahead.
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Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
I was idly surfing the boards when I saw the thread on Affirmative Action. In essence it was a thread on equality and fairness and what have you. That made me think about another instance of inequality in our society.
I'm speaking, of course, about the division of men and women. I will freely admit that I frequently have my moments of EXTREME sexism, but I feel that that's largely because I haven't met too many really intelligent women or women that really have anything exciting or interesting to say. I don't make this generality about all women, because I HAVE met some extraordinary ones; just very few.
Anyway, I titled this thread as such because I wanted to get an idea from women on the boards about how they view equality between men and women. I am very aware of the salary discrepancies and military service issues. Women asked to be treated equally, and they largely are. However, I see allllllllllllll the time how woman still want to be treated differently. As "women" they say. Bull. Shit. You want to play both sides of the game and you know it.
"Be romantic." No. Know why? Guys hate it. If I wouldn't be romantic with my best friend, I sure as shit probably won't be romantic with you.
"Why don't you treat me like a woman anymore?" Uhh....because you asked not to be?
Now, this is all my personal opinion, but I firmly believe that whenever a woman invokes that special right of equality, but then turns around and wants me to do something special for them, they deserve a swift punch in the jaw.
Please, give me your opinions. If nothing else this should make for some very interesting arguments.
As a guy with both lesbian parents and an amazing girlfriend I would like to give my opinion on your post.
First of all, I have to agree with Birdgirl when she said you come off a little hateful against women when you say you have never met an intelligent woman and also when you said you would punch a woman in the jaw.
Secondly, you go on to generalize all men when you say that no man likes to be romantic with his significant other. While this may be alright for you, I happen to love being romantic with my girlfriend and I believe I speak for the both of us when I say that we both enjoy being romantic with each other.
Now as far as equality goes I believe its all about choice. When you said you would never be romantic with your best friend I believe that he would thank you for that because that would involve a serious life CHOICE for you. I choose to be romantic with my girlfriend and not with my best friend because I choose to be heterosexual and I believe that this has nothing to do with equality between men and women.
As far as salaries drafts being equal between sexes, I think there is still a long way to go.
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Originally Posted by Weedhound
GD....Your "tangent note" makes me think "what you are offering" that women don't seem to find attractive is the viewpoint stated right there.
Guess what....we're NOT all about the sex organs.....surprise!!
Primary function of mammary glands is milk production. The fact that they're very sensitive to stimulation for sexual arousal is just a fringe benefit. Ears, neck, lips, legs, and other body parts are also sensitive for sexual arousal but those don't get censored unless you're in some backwards oppressive society. Since breasts have no relevant part in actual sexual reproduction, they're not really sex organs; they're just one of the several body parts sensitive for sexual arousal. Nothing taboo about that, it's something to be thankful for and proud of.
Sometimes I really think I should be in a hippy nudist colony.
I've got nothing against a woman wanting to enhance the shape of breasts or hold them in place. But if they don't care about their freedom of choice to go totally topless if they really wanted to, it's just one more hurdle for them towards equality. And I have dated girls that share those views.... us youngins aren't so old-skool heheheh.
(didn't mean to jack the thread, was just replying to WH.)
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Is there a difference between hitting a man or a woman in the face? I ask you.
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
Is there a difference between hitting a man or a woman in the face? I ask you.
uh... when I hit a man in the face, they NEVER ask for more...
women on the other hand...
giggidy giggidy, giggidy goo............
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Originally Posted by birdgirl73
Frankly, DaBudha, I think the problem you're having with women is not because of equality or your problems with that or with a lack of extraordinary women. The problem is because you're obnoxious. That comment above pretty well gave it away.
Doing something special for your girlfriend or spouse is a two-way street. My husband treats me nicely because he loves me and wants to. He opens doors, pulls out my chair, goes out of his way to say nice things, sends flowers, etc. But he doesn't have that market cornered. I do stuff for him, too. Cook for him. See that his house and clothes are clean. See that he's happy and healthy and well loved. Put love notes and gifts in his briefcase so he'll find them once he gets to his office. Do you ever look at the other side of that equation in your relationships? Somehow I'm doubting it.
Chivalry isn't dead in all man or in all people. And chivalrous behavior is not a matter of equality anyway. It's about courtesy and kindness and going out of your way for someone else. That ought to be something that both people in a relationship do gladly and without hesitation.
When you get the chip off your shoulder and work on those moments of "extreme sexism" that you mentioned, you may find that you'll suddenly find more extraordinary and intelligent women than you realized existed. Right now, I'd bet a year's pay they give you a very wide berth.
THANK YOU.
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Originally Posted by DaBudhaStank
Is there a difference between hitting a man or a woman in the face? I ask you.
really no difference at all....
but violence IS violence. and violence is wrong, unless it is a last resort attempt to save yourself from danger.
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If you hit someone smaller than you are, that makes you a bully. So unless you are 5'2 with a 6'4 girlfriend, who you still shouldn't hit because you happen to LIKE her, just like you wouldn't hit your OTHER friends, at the VERY LEAST that would make you a bully. Which wasn't cool in kindergarten and isn't cool now.
No one intends to ban you, but I can still think you don't have this whole equality thing figured out.
This is one sentence I had a hard time understanding:
However, if you ever ask me to do something I wouldn't do for you, one of our asses is on the curb, and I don't particularly mind if it's mine, because at least I would be away from hypocrisy.
I think you meant 'if you ask me to do something you wouldn't do for me'. You never stated that in your original post, and anything my BF would do for me, I'd be delighted to return the favor. I ask him to come help my sister move, I'll be happy to help his best buddy move next weekend. That's not chivalry, that's just being a good neighbor! You seem to make it out to be a BAD thing that a woman can turn around and help a man... Geez.
I guess I just don't get it.
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Stinky there's nothing to get. He's got problems and feels ok blaming the opposite sex for them. GD there is the same.....only a bit more subtle.
They're angry that they can't control themselves and their stone age thoughts about women. That's obviously womens' fault.
There's an old saying from the TV Murphy Brown and it goes like this which is exactly along the same line these guys are playing. "Men still wouldn't know how to stand up straight if stores hadn't started putting beer on the top shelves."
Who they are shows in what they state. Simple.
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In order for the human race to survive, and evolve, protection of the children and females was necessary. It is a genetic trait for men to do this.
When I was young, I was told by my mother that when walking with a lady, a gentleman takes the street side of the sidewalk. I later learned that this goes back to olden times, when horses and animals were often in the street. Some women who are comfortable with themselves are still charmed by these token acts of chivalry.
